^I think what you mean is Sepia? That's only yellow and brown tones. But I believe what @shadesan was getting at is not the color scheme, but rather the texture style with the filling dots. Almost like TV static or Benday Dots.

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Does this chain somehow end with Ayaka blackmailing Honda back? Because that would be cream of the crop gag writing.

Yea, there's at least 1 confirmed yuri side couple, though Hime x Nozomi is even teased by author.

So is there a reason why you two have conflicting information? @kittey said there are 2 confirmed pairings? Not doubting either of you, might just be a difference of interpretation.

I called them recurring, not confirmed, and Nevri mentioned at least 1 confirmed. No conflicting information there. ;-)

Sorry, but "two recurring yuri couples" means two confirmed pairings. You aren't a couple unless well... you are in a relationship. Especially if you put the qualifier "yuri" before "couple". And this all in the context of talking about stories that actually go beyond subtext means it's pretty clear what anyone reading that sentence would think.

Well, misleading or not, ultimately the conditions are fulfilled as long as there is even one confirmed couple. That's 1 more than I expected for sure haha

Well, neither case is actual blackmail. Blackmail is "do X or I'll do Y!" (ie out you as gay, not write a recommendation for you, give a crappy grades, ...). Both are cases of bribery. "Do X and I'll do Y for you!" (get her to come to school and you get a recommendation; get yuri with me and I'll come to school for you).

I think you missed the part where Honda implies she will tell everyone that she has a shady deal with the teacher.
"Don't worry I won't tell anyone and even come to school, but in exchange let me kiss you." The first half is blackmail.

Reading it with the conclusion in mind is an interesting experience in its own right.

Honestly, nowadays I rarely read anything without checking ending first, since I no longer have time and energy to invest into something that'll just end badly and waste my feels.

I prefer to have surprises left in my life, so I couldn't do that. Typically that would just make it less interesting. Hence why I didn't ask for titles here as recommendations, just to make a list. It just so happens that I would probably never have read this one otherwise.

Oh it's simply it was ages since I read it and I didn't read all available chapters, so I don't know how canon Akira x Nadeshiko is.

I see. Thanks.

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BugDevil posted:

Okay, where is this coming from now? The teacher didn't blackmail her at all. She just offered her a deal that has no repercussions if she doesn't agree on it.

Maybe not blackmailing per se, but I'd say the way she's drawn in this last shot and the fact she knows MC's weakness sounds exactly as if she was using it against her and pressuring her to do it, because she knows she won't refuse her offer. In short, she just gave bad vibes to me.

Oh she is most definitely being shady and pressuring her into something she would usually not do. Just saying it isn't blackmail... yet. It's more like dangling a carrot in front of a horse while whipping its butt with a riding crop.

...that analogy was weird.

Thankfully, the tone of this doesn't suggest that something like that would happen. Although there is something ironic about kissing someone just to out them as gay.

Well y'see, in this type of bad blackmail manga, the delinquent has nothing to lose, because their reputation is already at rock bottom. So by outing the other girl as a lesbian in such a way they don't get off any worse, but the honor student would suffer a lot. It only makes sense in such a ridiculously stupid society as Japan.

main character gets blackmailed by teacher
Oh, is that where the blackmail comes from?

main character also gets blackmailed by other student
...nevermind.

Okay, where is this coming from now? The teacher didn't blackmail her at all. She just offered her a deal that has no repercussions if she doesn't agree on it.

So far, I can only see that every single person in this story is an asshole (except perhaps the parents).

What did MC do to make her appear like an asshole to you?

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BugDevil posted:

Oh yeah. That would surprise me if it had a yuri pairing by the end of it. Good one.

Double so since as soon as she was confirmed lesbian, people started to complain and saying how it'll go nowhere for sure since the author is Watashiya Kaworu and as we all know authors never change or improve so if they didn't handle lesbian character well once in their work, it means there's no way they'll get it right next time.

The name doesn't ring any bells and I would certainly remember someone with this... style. I actually got interested enough to start reading. Pretty crude stuff, but quite funny. Reading it with the conclusion in mind is an interesting experience in its own right.

Centaur's Worries actually has real yuri in it?! I thought it was so obviously just subtext... That's a surprise.

Yea, there's at least 1 confirmed yuri side couple, though Hime x Nozomi is even teased by author.

So is there a reason why you two have conflicting information? @kittey said there are 2 confirmed pairings? Not doubting either of you, might just be a difference of interpretation.

I haven't really been keeping up with the sequel, but how did UQ Holder mess up Konoka/Setsuna? Are you talking about the main character being related to Konoka? Because apparently he's revealed to be a clone of Negi, not his son, so it's not like Negi married Konoka or anything like that. Not to mention Konoka's twin grandchildren (that look just like her and Setsuna!) appear as supporting characters.

I haven't read it in a looong time. I stopped when I got turned off by the way the plot was going. I just heard a thousand outcries of how Konoka/Setsuna was ruined, but maybe it was a false alarm then? That's actually a relief.

Joou Sama no Eshi, but fair warning, don't go in expecting a masterpiece.

Quality is not important thankfully. I gotta look that one up, because I never heard of it.
reads synopsis
Oh yeah. That would surprise me if it had a yuri pairing by the end of it. Good one.

Stray Little Devil: Subtext and shiptease right from the first chapter, but the kind that usually leads nowhere. Then comes the last chapter and bam, sudden yuri ending that not even the most stubborn yuri-haters could worm out of.

Centaur’s Life/Worries: Didn’t expect two recurring yuri couples (so far, Akechi x Inukai and Akira x Nadeshiko) in a series not marketed as yuri or romance. There’s also another couple in chapter 83, Manami x Komaki is getting quite some shiptease and there are several unrequited crushes.

Oh right, I actually knew about Stray Devil's ending. Thanks for the reminder.
Centaur's Worries actually has real yuri in it?! I thought it was so obviously just subtext... That's a surprise.

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^Harley x Ivy at least was canon for a while.

The art's certainly gorgeous.

When nothing is canon, is everything canon? This is Namori's grand thesis.

It was always obvious how Yoshinari saw these two, but sadly the votes of the many outweigh the mind of one. At least when money is involved. Not everyone can be Hideo "A Hideo Kojima creation" Kojima.

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I have to agree with Kate there, this is rotten. But the rot comes 120% from wormslut over there. Rin is too good to even be her sister tbh.

I expected a lot, but my expectations were still exceeded. I mean, she is wearing the stolen goods in bedroom distance. Talk about daring!

Not even Holmes could crack this one. Time to give up.

It's not a misunderstanding if it's true.

Now this is an odd one, but hear me out. I'm not exactly asking for recommendations, but rather the collective memory of this community.
Do you know any manga that turned out to have a surprise yuri pairing/ending that was not like easily telegraphed by the tag or plot?

The only ones I really remember being surprised by are Gamma and Negima , although the later messed it up in the spin-off.
I've been thinking about that a lot lately because of a conversation I had, but despite feeling like it's a regular occurance I somehow can't remember any.

Thanks a bunch~

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I don't understand the stakes in this blackmail of the teacher recommendation thing, do recommendations from teachers hold a ton of weight in Japan or something?

Getting a reccomendation from a teacher drastically raises your chances to get into the place you want to. Japan doesn't give out praise like that easily.
This is problematic and worth the blackmail, because acquiring such a recommendation in exchange for making a backhanded deal like that would completely ruin the teacher's reputation. So to avoid that the teacher would completely flip the blame back onto the student. That would mean she would receive pressure from both the faculty and the students alike and most likely drop out of school or at least get bullied. No matter which, her career options would sink even lower.

Especially in Japan where image and rules are everything, this is a pretty big deal. Though in this situation the solution is quite simple... deny everything and push the delinquent angle. Who would believe a student that skips school and is a trouble maker, right? Too bad MC is the type that can't handle pressure and come to that conclusion. If this was one of those dark blackmail manga the fact that she already got kissed would be used for even more blackmailing by outing her as a lesbian or something.

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Sex does not make people prettier and is not good for the skin. That is one of the weirdest rumors I see in Asian culture for some reason. Sex is also no replacement for workouts, which is a more common misconception in the West.
Can't cure everything with jamming the clams.

The teacher definitely is a weirdo with some issues. That might become a problem later.

Sooo. I don't like blackmailing plots. This trope is almost never used for anything good. I have this faint hope that it may be the one out of a thousand chance that something worthwhile will be done with it. Like Honda slowly building up MC's resistance to pressure. Something mutually beneficial. Not every relationship starts on the best of terms, but there is always room for growth as long as the first hurdle is overcome. It is a very forced way to make a connection between them, but it would be wrong to judge the story on just one chapter and plot point. The general vibe from the main pair is not that bad.

Don't mess this up author. Please?

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@GeneralJ
Don't get so nervous, that comment is barely medium size for this site.
I get your point though. I think it's more of a coincidence that they are weather gods though. Weather gods are typically the strongest/highest ranking in polytheism. So it just makes sense that they beat the biggest baddest snake monsters.

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If you are nice don't send the introvert to get customers.
If you are considerate don't make the introvert perform on stage.
But if you really want to make money... do it anyway. Those Otaku love shy girls in skimpy outfits.

It's kind of shocking how Mei managed to find a crowd of cute girls at this kind of convention, but that's the foxy goddess for ya.

mindless tirade that marginalizes people that are different from them

Why the fuck does this part of that sentence sound familiar.

I'd think on this site in partiular it's a common memory. This is exactly how people against the LGBT have always argued. In the end discrimination can come from outside and from within. Phobia or extreme puritans, both are wrong, for absolute extremes will never reflect reality accurately. The moment you declare your opinion as fact, discourse becomes meaningless, because it's not a matter of deciding which of you is closer to the truth or whether there can be a compromise of opinions... It's defending the very preconceived reality of a person. And the human brain HATES being contradicted on a fundamental level.

The truth is, there are no absolute facts in this world. Even a scientific fact can be disputed and eventually replaced if a better understanding of a matter is developed. But statements like the one mentioned are not even based on scientific facts, but merely a very strong opinion. Mixed in with every somewhat reasonable point is some extreme bias. If we get to a point where they become inseperable, things turn ugly.

The ability to accidentally make every species orgasm is... Gift or curse? I just wonder why nobody asked where Sakura's horns are. Even the actual succubus nurse does have them.

I loved the lamia chapter, and it's true that basically every mythology around the world have a snake monster representation (the fight of a God representing the storms x the snake monster is basically present in every mythology)

Danger noodles exist almost everywhere and are always terrifying and dangerous to humans. Even cats have natural instincts to fear anything that is snake shaped. No wonder it's a common thing to associate malice with them.

But to be fair, there are also some differeng myths. Like a lot of Greek mythology. Nymphs were sometimes depicted with snake bodies and a lot of Poseidon's daughters were lamias too (although the actual Lamia from which the name originated was a woman cursed by Hera and stole and ate children, so that brings it back to evil).

Either way Lamias are pretty popular these days, so things are looking up for Nina.