There we go, that's the point. She doesn't find fun in the act of murdering itself, she's there for the thrill of the confrontation.

You're crazy? She killed 715 innocent people, there was no confrontation except for the few who tried to fight and even so they're just normal humans, the only ones who put a real fight are the ones who gave her scars, she kills because it's her nature and it's fun, they even said that.

only reason she kill bad guys is to stay free because that's her deal.

That's her goal, and as a result she stops even crazier people from doing more evil. Antihero.

Just because she have a goal that doesn't make her an antihero, she need to want to do good to be an antihero.

And you're completely ignoring my point. She didn't do it to kill her. She didn't do it to taunt nor to torture her. She didn't do it because she could. I'd had been actually ok if any of those were the case, because it would had been arguable due to her character, but it wasn't. It was a really forced accident, done only to shock people, and that's distasteful. You may say, "well, accidents happen and it was just a matter of time before..." yes, but not fucking raping a girl with an umbrella. That's just retarded.

Again it was not to shock anyone, you really think after all the killing people saw and expect they're going to care about an accident? She never tried to rape the girl, it was an accident, nothing more than that, you're giving too much credit for a small scene.

A psycho killer getting a girlfriend, an apprentice and friends sounds like character development to me.

A lot of psycho killers had familiers and apprentices, not to mention Kuroko is a horny lesbian, you really think Chiyo was her first girlfriend? She basically got a loli that not only will be her apprentice but one day will be another lover, that's not character development, that's being pragmatic.

All you're doing is trying to force your view that Kuroko is an antihero and that rape is too much for her, while it's actually completelly in-character for her, because she's evil, she's a villain protagonist forced to work for the good guys, that doesn't make her an antihero.

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And why exactly Maki is a expensive swedish guitar...?

My bad, is just that you seemed really concerned about the subject... But I bet we'll have a good time with the game, well, at least you :( maybe I can dream with a pc release, but what really worries me is... Is this game ever going to come out of Japan?

Don't worry Serenata,I know it can look that way, I'm also wondering if it's going to come out of japan and even if it comes I bet they will try to erase most gay moments, not to mention if it's going to have jap voice or not, but even if it gets licensed I possibly won't buy it, 3ds games are expensive in Brazil and now with dollar being pretty high it only makes even more difficult to buy games in general, I didn't even buy a Vita yet... (T=T)

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protagonist has to be willing to ignore rules and act by thinking that ends justify means in order to achieve their goal

But that's what she does? If she doesn't comply she gets axed, so she has goals, and she does whatever she pleases to to reach them.

Except that to be an antihero they need to have a good goal, only reason she kill bad guys is to stay free because that's her deal.

What purpose the latter serves except Kuroko having fun?

It moved forward the plot, obviously. The umbrella thing is completely unnecessary.

they know what Kuroko is capable of.

Again, that's not the point. She didn't even want to do that.

And again you're completely ignoring the point that it doens't matter, she's a serial killer, she murders for fun, she taunt and torture her victims because she can, not because it's necessary, you're just making excuses to focus on the umbrella.

One doesn't have anything to do with the other.

It does. You could argue that she treats girls well because she wants to bang them, but you have characters like Hinako, who she doesn't even want to bang anymore and treats her more like a daughter/sister/pet, and she kind of cares about Chiyo. She's less crazy now that at the beginning of the manga because of her girl squad. That's character development.

Wrong, she's as crazy as in the beginning, she killed Hinako parents, if she wanted her dead she would be, she cares about Chiyo because it's her girlfriend, the only character development she had was maybe accepting Rinko as apprentice, and maybe not even that is character development as she could have done the same if she didn't had the deal with the police, we don't know how she was before being released, but she's a psychopath, they don't change, they don't have character development, she do all that because it's her nature and it's fun, not because she have a reason.

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But most things Kuroko did are sick because she is evil, I understand perfectly well if you think it was maybe unecessary, but now when you starting saying that was for shock value after all the killing and worse things that happened, then thats just silly, the manga didn't have any drop in quality at all, quite the opposite as it's only getting better, why Kuroko did that you ask? Easy, she's evil, that's her way of having fun, simple as that, the umbrella was bad but an accident, but killin the girl was worse and she wanted it, it's okay to not like some of the things she did, but that doesn't mean you can say it's bad writing because that's the kind of character she was from the start, we're just being reminded of that.

Just a warning, Trash is pretty much same kind of manga so you might not like some parts, but it's pretty good and worth and with some yuri.

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As I said, she's supposed to be an antiheroine, not straight up evil.

Nowhere it says she's supposed to be an antiheroine, you're just assuming that because we only see her fighting other evil guys, in no moment she stopped being straight up evil, a lot of evil characters are extremely nice.

Wait, so you really see more shock value in an accidental umbrella rape than she's crushing an innocent underaged girl head with her foot?

Yes. The latter serves a purpose, the former doesn't. It's just something that happens just to shock the readers. It's shameless.

What purpose the latter serves except Kuroko having fun? Really, you say it's to shock the readers, that's funny because only a few here are whining about that scene, that just shows that most people are not shocked because they know what Kuroko is capable of.

there never was any character development between psycho killer and psycho killer for hire.

Wrong. She cares about her girls.

One doesn't have anything to do with the other.

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but you two know you're not forced to read it right?

Don't worry, I didn't.

Good, I need to stop making posts so big, especially because sometimes I get get sidetracked in what I'm saying...

I'm actually liking that so many people are whining about all this, because they're being reminded of what kind of person Kuroko really is, it was actually a good thing that was an accident, because if she really wanted to rape the girl with that umbrella she would probably have done things a lot worse, like inserting the umbrella all the way inside the girl and leave her to have a slow and painful death, I'm actually surprised we didn't see her killing innocents before this, it's probably why some of you forgot that she's an unrepentant killer, torturer, rapist, pedophile and more.

But Kuroko is straigh up evil, she killed 715 people for fun, she was never an antiheroine,

But that was in the past, that's why she's an antiheroine now. Not anymore, of course. Now I'm rooting for the bad guys. Dunno if we're getting close to the end and that's the author's intentions?

But she didn't change, she's just restraining herself because she's working with the government, but on the inside she's still the same, from what I know we're not even close to ending, so this might be a signal that she's going to start killing innocents.

and the umbrella scene was not shock value at all, after all the worse things she done that's nothing,

The thing is that she didn't even intend to do that. That's why it's gratuitous and shock value only. If she had just killed her nothing would had changed, the whole scene is unnecessary.

Wait, so you really see more shock value in an accidental umbrella rape than she's crushing an innocent underaged girl head with her foot?

I never said I won't care unless it goes yuri, now you're just making things up, if it's good I would play either way, I don't really care if it's yuri or bait but I like to know as to not expect what won't happen, that's all, and just you know, I don't care about fps either, cause my pc sucks so I play on ps3, but my sister do have 3ds, I just hope I have money to buy this game...

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You talk a lot, Thia.

Jesus fuck, yes.

I know sometimes my posts are way bigger than necessary, but you two know you're not forced to read it right?

It sounded as a obvious thing so I was sure it was in rules, but surprisingly it isn't. Maybe it would be good idea to add it there? (I doubt it will stop people who didn't bother to mark spoilers so far though)

I don't think it need to be in the rules because marking spoilers is common sense, putting in the rules wouldn't make difference because the same people who don't know how to mark spoilers because they don't read the basic markdown thread don't read the rules thread either...

Well, that was fucked up.

it is a manga about a psycho killer.

Sure, but she's supposed to be the "good girl" here. An antiheroine, not straight up evil and petty. Sure, those girls were a bunch of bully jackasses, but they were just schoolgirls, not psycho jackasses with masterplans. And the whole thing with the umbrella? Just why? It was mean spirited and gratuitous as hell, and I'm not blaming Kuroko for that, that's obviously the writer's fault. Going for shock value only made this manga drop a lot in quality.

But Kuroko is straigh up evil, she killed 715 people for fun, she was never an antiheroine, and the umbrella scene was not shock value at all, after all the worse things she done that's nothing,

主人公と女の子が愛を高めるとメダロットが強くなる・・・
as the love between the MC and the girl raises, the medarot becomes stronger

the player character (brown hair girl is MC for Kabuto version, blue hair girl is MC for Kuugata version) is able to pick a girl to be her partner for 2 on 2 battles and deepening the relationship with your partner makes you stronger in battles.

I have to admit it seens pretty promising, only question is if it's really going to be yuri or not, they might use ai/love all they want but it's going to suck if in the end it's all treated as platonic and they end as friends, if you need to bond with the girls to get new parts then we can already forget the yuri part as it will be treated as nothing more than friendship, but if you can have only one partner to win the tournament and whatever else you can do then I guess we can really hope for more than mere friendship, hope it's not just bait...

EvilDevil, when the game is released can you tell us how far they take the yuri? Or if we can even call it yuri at all?

I forgot to ask before but someone knows how far Bhikkhuni goes? Does it have any couple at all or stay just in fanservice?

What is a dombeldu?

risingstar3110 posted:

I means... Maybe bully was hated so much in Japan that Kuroko action supposed to feel somewhat justified?

since when ganging up with baseball bats on someone is just a simple bullying? some ppl here sure lived extreme highschool life

So what else do we call it if not bullying?

hmmm, well i dont know, maybe attempted murder...

Attempted murder? Then it won't include all of those bad doings those girls have done to Minako previous to this point. Because I will bet that most people will feel the trio's death gonna be more justified than Fuuri is, due to their past bullying acts (Considering Fuuri also went there with a bat herself)

See, this is exactly why I called this pc.

Well, from what I understand some people, like me, misunderstood the scene as past bullying when it was actually what Fuuri imagined they would do, but if they had done that multiple times it could be classified as both bullying and attempted murder.

You're also forgetting that it seens Fuuri knew about the bullying, maybe she even planned it, she deserves to die as much as the trio.

PaleRider posted:

I'm thinking this is a new chapter, but I've read this already. The last lil bit of chapter 37 ain't so pretty though.

Dont think anyone that has read this far would be surprised when sudden ultra-violence takes place, you're talking about when kuuchan kills one of the delinquent girls right?

I dunno, I was still surprised at what happened, or rather at how it happened. How that whole situation plays out just was way too much for me and made me sick for a few hours. I already whined about this a little bit ago. First the umbrella part. That alone made me feel horrible. And then the torture pretty much after that. I was kinda expecting her to be left at the brink of death and the rest would have run away. But I guess it went as far as it did cause no one stopped Kuroko. When she was torturing the maid in the Murder Party Arc, she probably would have gone farther if it wasn't for Miyuki. But that didn't bug me like this did.

It might've bugged you because the girl is still technically a kid and not an adult. And no one like the deal with the umbrella. On the other hand, Hinako is so cute.

Well, talk about you two, I understand not liking that Kuroko psychologically tortured them after killing one, especially because like you said they're still all kids, but the umbrella part was unintentional, not to mention that's pretty small compared to the fact Kuroko crushed the girl head with her feet and caused the death of the other two, I didn't find that scene so bad at all, really, if anything I find amusing the way people die in Murcielago and Trash, also, Hinako and Rinko are always cute, just as they should be.

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KyuKyu posted:

guess we can start assuming that both Minako and Fuuri are actually evil or at least crazy, and a couple, those cute faces can really fool us about who's crazy and evil,

Minako maybe, but I don't think there's much more than meets the eye with Fuuri. It seems to me like she was in the delinquent 'gang', but was pretending to be Minako's friend to get more information about her to pass on to her friends so that they had more ammo to harass her and bully her with. Making out with Minako by playing on the fact she had a crush on Fuuri was probably just a bonus.

And when Kuroko said 'Because I can't believe you'd let your precious Minako-chan die somewhere without you', I thought she was being sarcastic with the 'precious' and Fuuri just wanted to be there to watch Minako die (like in her imagination of them standing over her with bats while she begs for Fuuri's help). Oh, and when she says 'So you'll let me go now?' to Kuroko, implying that she only killed those 2 so Kuroko would let her leave and not kill her, not to try and help Minako or anything.

Well, in this page Fuuri blushed and made a pretty evil smile while imagining Minako being beaten with baseball bats, crazy enough for me.

But I agree maybe they're not really a couple, it's still a little ambiguous how deep their relationship is as all the focus was on Minako, I'm probably wrong about the couple part but Fuuri is definitely a little crazy, a normal person don't make that smile while imagining that, but it seens only Minako is really crazy, so Fuuri will either end up dead, in jail or free but traumatized, one way or another we probably won't see her anymore.

Commandershepard13 posted:

Two wrongs don't make a right.

No, it makes for "revenge", which may not be "right" but is certainly more satisfying.
Especially if its a karmic punishment, like carving up that woman the same way she carved up that little girl.
Seriously, if you're cutting up your own fucking kid for kicks, whatever happens to you next is your own damn fault.

Technically it's not her child, it was the step mother who did that not the mother, cause you know, it's always step mothers that are evil, Dysney would never lie about that! They actually did lie about that, at least in Snow White the villain is her mother in the original version

Sometimes "right" and "wrong" are completely irrelevant, they can already change depending on context of the situation, of country, and because of other variables, right and wrong can be pretty blurry sometimes, especially when it's about a person who did something bad like that step mother, the world is not black and white, doing the same to that step mother could easily be called justice and the right thing instead of revenge and wrong, there's lines that shouldn't be crossed, there's people who do things that are so horrible that they can't be classified as humans anymore, you can't judge them as you would with normal people, sometimes making them suffer the same they caused is the only justice and right thing that can be done, it's true that what happened with those three girls was was too much, but "Two wrongs don't make a right." can really be argued about what is "wrong" and "right" depending on the person and what they did.

Just an example of what I mean, this is what they considered the right thing to do.

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ZuljinRaynor posted:

Some of you are whining about what Kuroko did with the umbrella, which she admit herself that was an accident as she didn't expect it to go so deep, but are you guys forgetting this page?

She admits that it going that deep was an accident but she never says that she didn't mean to hit her from below with the umbrella.

Also, I can't tell if that page is a flashback or imagination of what is going to happen. I am more leaning towards the second because if you look here, it looks like they are bullying her over the necklace. Nothing says they even considered basball bats until now.

I also honestly doubt that baseball bat beating would be considered a harmless joke by even minor character bully standards. These are just some delinquent girls and not main character/bad guy super humans/psychopaths like the other characters.

Hum, now that you mention it that page can be misleading, yeah, it seens they really didn't beat her with the baseball bats yet, so unless they don't give more reason for the bullying and taking in account this page, if that was really all for a necklace then guess we can start assuming that both Minako and Fuuri are actually evil or at least crazy, and a couple, those cute faces can really fool us about who's crazy and evil, maybe they're going to be new apprentices for Kuroko, like Rinko.

Now with this new view of things, I can't help but find funny that some are more worried about the umbrella rape, that was actually an accident as she didn't expect it to be like that, instead for the fact that Kuroko caused the death of three innocent girls, that's what I call screwed priorities.

As for those saying they didn't expect that because Kuroko is an anti-hero, no, she's not even close to be an anti-hero, she's basically like Alucard, a villain forced to work for the good guys, she's just evil, only reason she's called "hero" is because she's the main character, obviously not the most reliable source but even TV Tropes comments on that:

• Anti-Hero: Kuroko, either of the unscrupulous or nominal variety.
• Nineties Anti-Hero: Kuroko almost comes off as a parody of these types of characters, personality-wise.
• Sociopathic Hero/Heroic Comedic Sociopath: Kuroko tends to fluctuate between the two.

Only reason she won't do worse is probably because she wants to stay free to sleep with many girls as possible, so don't be fooled by the fact that she saves people and act nice, cause she will happily kill anyone she can, don't matter if the person is good or bad and what they did.

Also, I admit I made a mistake before, so if I offended anyone with my previous post I humbly apologize.

With all that said, do we have any idea what exactly Kuroko is? Besides apparently being a badass lesbian child of Slenderman with Alucard, cause she totally looks like Slenderman in this page and she definitely acts like Alucard, but I mean, is she psychopath? Sociopath? Something else? Hollywood keeps using those terms wrong so I'm not sure what is each one, but Kuroko seens to care at least about the girls around her, like Hinako, Chiyo and Rinko, she's also pretty calculating and cool headed, so I can't tell as what she should be classfied.

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Some of you are whining about what Kuroko did with the umbrella, which she admit herself that was an accident as she didn't expect it to go so deep, but are you guys forgetting this page? Those three girls didn't just bully Minako, they also beat her with baseball bats while Fuuri apparently watched or at least knew about it and we don't even know if Fuuri is just Minako friend or her girfriend as we saw a scene with them making out, if they're going out it makes the scene even worse, they could have easily killed Minako in one of those beatings, I'm assuming there was more beatings as that's how bullying works, four girls turned her life in hell to the point she tried to kill them with a bomb.

Really guys, I'm even going to put it in bold so people won't miss what I'm going to say so they can understand the weight of what really happened, there's a limit to how far bullying can go, when three girls beat another with baseball bats and a fourth knows and takes pleasure in it, maybe even watches it, then that's not bullying anymore that's attempted murder, they bullied and beaten her so much that she thought her only choice was to kill them, they totally had it coming.

I'm actually really baffled that you guys are whining about what happened to that bully when Minako is the victim here, really, it actually even makes me feel disgusted when I think about how much some of you are whining about it because even after seeing that they beat Minako with baseball bats some still feel more pity for the bully than for Minako, I don't know how any of you can see that umbrella scene as worse than Minako bein beaten with baseball bats as if that is normal bullying, seriously, go search for it, beating people with baseball bat is not seeing as bullying but as attempted murder, now can someone explain to me how the umbrella scene is worse than attempted murder?

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Can't forget she's an old dragon too (in kid form and mentality)

Again, she's not, even as a dragon, Tooru said she was a kid.

But still, she knew too much well what she was doing, even if for dragons she's only a child we can't assume she's going to have a mind like of a human child, it's pretty obvious that compared to humans her mind is not completely of a child anymore.

I don't remember her tongue being so long, she pretty much have a tentacle in her mouth, it's no wonder girls love her, Misuzu sure is cute and Rinko is learning fast, raging lesbians everywhere of all sizes and ages~~, this seens like foreshadowing for something important.

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Insistent? I'm pretty sure that's the first time I ever posted that link, not only no one need to open it but the artist himself said that never happened, I didn't do anything that won't let people enjoy the married lesbian couple, if anything the fact that he don't ruin his characters for cheap het material like some artists makes me enjoy this couple even more, his commentary is proof of that as that image is the only exception and he makes clear it didn't happen, it's not a lot of male hentai artists who makes some yuri without using the same characters for het later, Maruta is one that comes to mind, I still fear for Nadeshiko Hiyori future...

In case someone wants he posted it in pixiv with a second version without text, maybe a mod should put it as the source and maybe upload the second version too?

Good to know I'm not the only one who look at their hands to see if they have their rings, although there is one unfortunate case that would have been better without ring, good thing the artist commentary bellow says it didn't happen, even though he admits he want to fuck her that's basically the only image he ever made with het for any of them, if it was other artist they would probably already have been turned into bisexual sluts... :x

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According to Mangaupdates there's Angel Game II, now I wonder if it is a direct sequel and explain things, maybe even make she escape too at the ending, or if it's just the same thing with new characters, hope Psylocke Scans translate it.

Life is Strange is definitely not subtext, right choices only make the flirting serious instead of being Chloe teasing, but fact that she's your love interest pretty much imply that teasing aside she have some interest in Max from the start, I don't think you "choose" Max sexuality at all, from what I know both are bisexual, you just decide if they're going to be a couple or not.

Now with other characters I think it is subtext, maybe...

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