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whine of the day:
If I don't wanna feel raped every time I finish legs exercises or just a mere 3 KM run, I should maybe stop shoving soufflés in my mouth a little bit sooner !.. I'm only 27 and everything is falling apart already .. sob
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As skeptical as I am of these, I must admit that the Gemini sign fits me pretty well. XD I do rarely get stressed out. My "obsessions" are also relatively short-lived.
hahaha.. how ironic! I never ever met two Geminies who act the same XDD even a single Gemini doesn't act the same 10 minutes later XD.. they are the unpredictable ones most of the time :P .
I myself can't be anything but a scorpio.. nothing else fits this possessive, obsessive jealous behaviour with a strong memory and an absolute craving for mysteries other than a scorpio XDDD
well, loyal and sexy are parts of that.. but i'm toning the self-praise part a bit down for Orange hahaha
Ah, I always wondered which sign ppl who have it are proud of the most? I see a lot of scorpio and Leo tattoos ( maybe lots of virgos but that one is hard to tell XD)
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Foxy lady
I hold a lot of respect to you. Let's leave it at that.
Shikata ga nai.
yoonie0104
So if we used Seju's personality to explain this, I dont find it fit, she doesnt show her weakness, sure but Seju isnt one to lose her temper, and clearly that day she is irritated and very very childish, and there is only way to explain this: She is angry at Sungji for being able to go that far with Sumin, her words in chap 27 didnt work and she knows it well after the talk with Nammi
yes, Seju being polite doesn't contradict with the fact that she loses it sometimes.. with the bartender in ch10 when he was initially just being nice to her, to ch52 and later when she snapped at Sumin and left the house ch82.. oh and that time when she slapped the hell out of Saehyun.
Sure that Sumin's confession changed everything but not to "responsiblity of protecting both of them". Seju's mind changed like this: from accepting that she is the side dish, kicking Sungji in the picture for Sumin to play around a few months then come back to her, just like 31 girlfriends before, so that Sumin wont get bored of her after few months of sex buddies, its changed to completely take Sumin back as hers and hers alone after realizing that Sumin didnt hate her.
are you sure that Sumin made up her mind even then ?? let me just hint this: ch51 her inner bubbles, ch53: her face while talking on the phone and almost leaving the bed.. AND how fast she took off her ring. I mean come on, the sex scene in ch55 was a huge proof that there is SOME THING. Seju knew it, not only that, she discovered another root of their issues that she failed to sense all those years.
Yes, that's right but Sumin's intention has never changed since the day she decided to cut ties with Seju. She wanted to make new life with Sungji, that bed talk is just her confessing that its too late for Seju to take the chance, she has gone, things will not be the same anymore
well, Sumin's words went on in another direction: remember, it was Sumin who pushed Seju away for over a month after her parents death and BLAMED Seju for it.. in ch64 she, on the other hand, blamed Seju for not saying that she loved her when she needed someone to hold on into her. Are you getting what I want to say.. a part of Sumin wants Seju to fight and reclaim her even if Sumin's pride prevents her from admitting that. why can't they start over? because they have problems that they were so coward to end properly. Till then, they can't be together.
please take a look at that scene again taking this perspective into consideration.
in ch66, Seju was reminded by both, her battle with her family, Sumin's wish to be let free.. so nothing has changed in terms of the plan original motives.
There is no battle with family, Seju already decided to not taking any custody from her family since long ago. She knows that the day she got nothing from her family will be the day she'll be free
Then why did they send her an assassin that threatened her and Sumin in ch76 ??.. it is only this chapter she is saying that she will be free soon. NOT before that.. how could she know when her father would pass anyways ?
You're contradicting yourself, one way you said Seju is going by her plan, other way you said she is hoping xDDDDD
I am not contradicting, both exist.. she wanted to break the cycle her way, but no.. Sungji: "things will not end the way you wanted it to, now it's different" this line has at least two meanings.
Anyway, so what if she thinks that Sumin still cares for her so what though? It proves nothing that she has a plan of leaving Sumin and all. So you're trying to prove that she has a plan and keeps up with it or trying to stay by Sumin? XDDDDDD
before the confession, she had the plan of letting go.. after the confession, ch57: "I'm going to get you back"
"Never" is such a strong word. Her actual word doesnt have "never". She only said dont forgive, that's all. This translation is making things a little bit more dramatic than usual.
hahaha, what it matters is that the truth remains.. (her bubble before this one is what I cared about the most)
Those warings, for all its worth, could make Sungji leave Sumin in an instance anyway.
hahaha.. not really, Seju interviewed her personally.. she knows Sungji's idealism and tendency to be protective of others. Seju knew that Sungji won't let go.. even when Nammi in a later chapter came to Seju's office as if she was breaking a new news to Seju, she was like: I know, a serious relationship, then what.
what I was saying, Seju has some expectations motivated by past experiences and thus her words had some truth in them.. a warning mostly rather than an advice.
That's another translation that could lead to misunderstanding, Seju's literal words that is cut off is like this "You, to me....", that can have thousands of sentences could finish that, but its definitely not "you are the one who..."
So if you're implying the next sentence is "you're the one who is getting hurt", no, its definitely not, the most I could make from Seju's cut off sentence is Seju is reminding Sungji of sth between them, something Sungji said or did to Seju in the past
maybe.. it is a possibility. However, that chapter was well translated.. it could mean this or that.
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yoonie0104
They have been sex buddies for 10 years for a reason you know xDDDD. It has to be natural xDDDD
hahahahah, for a moment I felt like sia ue was the one writing those one line-ish comments. hahahha... that's very true indeed.
But I like the fact that despite the lack of emotion in sex, somehow it still shows that Seju like it gentle, not animalistic xDDDDD
she does.. even when she had to chose her way in ch55, still a bit rough.. yet so passionate, I have never seen Sumin's face like that again.
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yoonie
To be fair, one of the reasons why I want a sex scene for Seju is becuz SungjixSumin has quite a few beautiful sex scenes while on the other hand, minus the flashbacks, Seju's sex scenes are too animal and have abuse tendency from Sumin, kinda feel like a sex slave sometimes, which is really awful so I do hope that for an erotic manhwa like wdtfs, I could see at least a meaningful sex for Seju xD. After all, she IS also the main character xDDDDD
well, last time Seju had sex in present time was in ch21, then well, in ch55 incomplete moment.. I agree with you, all scenes after the bartender incident have some abuse or sadistic sense to them.. but yet, Seju has a tendency to pull Sumin's head towards her and loves licking Sumin's face and shoulder (not necessarily to turn Sumin on.. but because she loves it, the licking thing)..
isn't weird, that even the animalistic scenes they had are somewhat more natural than all of the other scenes in the Manhwa.
Huh, it is surprising that you two to know the reference. Do European watch such dumb American show? Orange, where are you from btw?
I am not European, but yeah, there is always German dub of it on tv.
Foxy lady
I read this yesterday but I didn't answer because I was angry. I reread again today from the beginning of this topic. Now, what deliberate misunderstanding again? I don't know where is this coming from.
well, since you are an empath introvert, how could you really think that I want to hit anyone ever under the belt or mean to say to you that you don't know how to read.. you know me maybe deeper than anyone in here, how could you really think that this is my manners or my ways!!
in a matter of fact, there were some insults here and there.. but I gave the benefit of the doubts, not pretty much what I received in return!
if someone should be angry, then maybe me.. but, hey, the weather is nice.. what else to be mad about XD
Better, I will tell you my context. You know that I started off in FB right? You can imagine because you've been there. I don't want to do things they've been doing to me just because of different perspectives. I assumed when I wrote it that we are close (correct me now if my assumption is wrong so i can prevent myself to commit a mistake because now I know), that joke I can understand but not others.
I didn't and wouldn't belittle your ideas.. in fact, just in 3 days, you managed to belittle my arguments .. which is fine. But right now, I don't feel like I attacked someone, but rather being attacked and misunderstood too much to a point I started to think that it is deliberate.
If I have something to directly say to you, I won't hesitate !
Sounds good to me.
and so, I request the same thing.
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yoonie0104
For someone who is supposed to plan all those things, why was she being so hostile towards Sungji in chap 52 when she was sick? Very childish, I must say. Wasnt her plan going well back then? Before Sumin told her we should stop?
ah, maybe there is a confusion between what Seju thinks about Sumin dating Sungji and Seju's personality.. you are forgetting that Seju is a very proud, yet a secretive person.. she would never show her weakness easily. If you look at ch79 Lunch with Sungji, Seju couldn't eat as a result of her PTSD but yet would provoke Sungji saying: "It became a habit of me to eat little, to keep my body in shape since there is someone I want to look good for" then she said: "this level of confinement means nothing to me" she says those words before asking Sungji a permission to stay with Sumin and she says such bold words when she is severely traumatised. Can you see what I want to say?
For someone who is supposed to continue her plan after chap 66 or sth, why would she keep emphasizing that she wont leave Sumin in chap 86 and a few more other scenes about she wont leave Sumin?
before ch54, Seju thought that Sumin doesn't love her, she is only there for the good times.. yet, it is too dangerous for them to be together.. and it's not like Sumin would find a good person by herself given her past experiences. That moment in ch54 changed the whole game, Seju now had a reason and a responsibility to fight for both of them, because the reason behind Sumin constant coming back is that she loves Seju. Sumin: "what should I do if I want to come back to you again". Sumin's confession is the most crucial point in the whole 3 arcs, because it did changed the dynamics completely and forever.
In ch64, bed talk.. it was a wise decision from Sumin to not start over.. they were not ready and if they did do it anyways, their relationship was doomed to fail at that point.. in ch66, Seju was reminded by both, her battle with her family, Sumin's wish to be let free.. so nothing has changed in terms of the plan original motives. In ch86, again there were moments when she knew that Sumin wants to be there more for her and so does Seju.. there is something between them.. and as long as it is there, Seju won't stop hoping. That's what she means here:
http://imgur.com/a/puInJ
Why would she want Sungji not to forgive Sumin, if she wants someone to be by her side when she leaves?
I would love to show you the original translation in here:
http://imgur.com/a/XsbfL
Why would she warn Sungji in chap 27?
Both, ch88 and ch27 play within the same area, Seju knows that Sumin would at some point (and she did) hurt Sungji.. The difference between ch27 and ch88:
ch27: Seju's warning comes from her experience with Sumin breaking up with 31 girls, AND her words came into reality, take a look:
http://imgur.com/a/mJ3M2
ch88: comes from the fact that she knows that Sumin would still hurt everyone in this process.. she even warned Sumin in ch86.. but you know then how it went. (this time is different than ch27, because now Seju does know how Sumin feels about her)
http://imgur.com/a/fVFkJ
yoonie0104
But btw Nora, your ava and my ava both use Seju's side profile, kinda similar so it's confusing sometimes, LOLLLLLLLL. Sometimes when I scroll too fast and look at the picture and read the post, I literally went "Oh, did I write this? how come I dont have any memories of this", turns out it's you who wrote it, LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
hahahah.. it's been the same issue for me too XDD.. so confusing. I hope now this avatar is making everyone's life easier XD.. I love the fact that now you have an avatar.. it was about time girrrl!
soooooooo is it too much to ask for a 18+ rated scenes for Seju before the story ends? xDDDDDDDDDDD. I still want to see that creepy F-cup before saying farewell to it,
arggh.. me too. Her scenes are just too sexy for Gaji not to make!! so unfair really !
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She was not in an actual relationship, but it happened with the guy she liked for a while. Heartbroken for sure.
oh.. I hope she finds another one who suits her treat her better.
I would go along with things... but I would never do anything stupid just because of peer pressure. XD
yes.. Good, you are a smart girl indeed !
Good for you though. :) Qualities I wish I had.
if there is any quality I wish to have from an air sign, it will be their laid back attitude to life.. and how they don't stress or hold on into things too much.
Orange
LOL Nora don't cause a forest fire k XDDDD
not like a have a baby dragon or anything.. just a poisonous pantat.
It's not so much a Scorpio-Virgo gap as it is an introvert-extrovert gap. It's not unbridgable :)
this is very true and accurate.. I don't understand her need for outings and socialising.. and she sometimes underestimate my need for isolation.
momonosuke
hahahhahahhahahahhaha.. you have some funny blood cells XD
yoonie0104
LOLLLLLLL, you are hlama? LOLLLLLLLLLL
smacking my forehead XD
momonosuke
Noraaaaaaa see what you did?!!! I hope your vibrator runs out of battery right at the moment you need it to go full speed! RAWRRRR.
hahahhahah (staking A1 batteries next to my bed) XDDD
I use it more often than I'd like to. XD
hahaha.. it has a nice ring to it XD
Haha... Funny that you mentioned that... And she was.
weird.. hehehe, she didn't learn her lesson yet, maybe.
weeeeeeell, those are her exact words:
You and your memory...
XDD
About decisiveness, I guess it is more of passion to try new things or a fear of wasting opportunities.. maybe a bit of curiosity.
I would probably go along with those passions to try new things. It would be exciting and fun.
do it while you are young and freeeee. The more you try new things, the better the stories you could tell later :P
Gemini is very accommodating, they are more than happy to shape themselves into fitting the other.
Even more to add to the list of commonalities...
unlike me, the world would burn before I let someone cage me or tell me what to do XD
NORA Just because you have good memory, does not mean you should use that to disturb the death. SHE'S DEAD! LEAVE HER ALONE!
hahaha.. I can't help it XDDD
It's more like the rigid scorpio cannot tolerate the lighthearted gemini. Gemini is very accommodating, they are more than happy to shape themselves into fitting the other.
Casually, all is fine. But when things get more intense, scorpio often makes me feel inadequate.
more often than not, I believe scorpios are demanding and expect aloooot.. XDD
It's like I am not intense/serious enough for them even though I am dead serious. Then well, if you don't want me, then I won't stay. Then it ends. I guess you can blame it on Gemini's lack of persistence.
I have this issue with my girlfriend.. I am crazy about her, I love her so much and love loving her.. but then I need my time alone, she would think that I am pushing her away or that I don't want her.. but it is not like that.. and she fears that I would take her for granted and do this more often.. but it really is not the case at alllll at alll.. it might have been the case with you too in which you felt unwanted, but you were not. The other maybe just needed the time to sort herself up.
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That's why I have a timer on ALWAYS.. hahah.
I'm not that proactive. XD I usually guesstimate.
hahahahhahahah.. what a word you have here XDDD
My roommate is a Scorpio, but she's quite passive actually. She's wears her heart on her sleeve though. We get along. :)
ah, wait till she really get her heart broken the first time.. she will be damned protective and calculative of every move.
momonosuke mentioned Geminis admiring those with conviction or something like that... I could see that. I find myself drawn to older people who are decisive and passionate. Maybe I just like people different from me. XD
weeeeeeell, those are her exact words:
They are passionate, stubborn and obsessive, the traits that I admire but can never have. Seductive sometimes
About decisiveness, I guess it is more of passion to try new things or a fear of wasting opportunities.. maybe a bit of curiosity.
That sucks when that happens. Also, when someone takes your clothes out of the washer/dryer to put their's in (Even when you were only minutes late to get it).
That's why I have a timer on ALWAYS.. hahah.
I always wondered how it would be for a scorpio and a Gemini together..
Together as in a couple? Or close friends?
I would like to know about both cases, I've never had the opportunity
Did the dryer spin? If it did, that meant you overloaded it. Don't be cheap, use two machines.
I didn't have much cloths in.. but it does this to me from time to time.. argggh
(I honestly didn't check if it span or not dammiiiitttt)
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no no.. the timer was working I remember seeing the clock
^shhhhhh. She is gone. Let her rest in peace, plz.
I always wondered how it would be for a scorpio and a Gemini together.. The only people who could match my perviness happened to be a Gemini.. but a free spirited Gemini could never tolerate a scorpio long term.
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Such a romantic, Nora. :)
hahaha, or maybe being dramatic about the laundry in which I found that shirt with XDD
#SelfMomentDestruction
I decided not to wash it anyways
speaking of which, the damned dryer took my coin happily but gave me the laundry back wet exactly as how they were originally when I put them in!!
I wonder sometimes, is it a dryer or a lending machine in disguise!
momonosuke
I mean, biatchh, have you not seen the scorpio and leo? lol. When you actually say, No, I disagree. or I am calling that bullshit., then I know your "evil" twin is out. XD
did you mean Leo and Scorpio together in one room or individually XDDD
That part cracked me up. I was like oh, okay, Sungji took it off and accidentally left it somewhere. The logical thing for you to do is to take yours off as well and leave it on another random place.
hahahahahahha.. Sumin is so logical, it blows my mind each time XD
but yeah, I know that Sungji put her's on her desk at home.. but where does Sumin put her's!
The good part is: the writer, Gyeomji, is a fellow scorp.. no evil twin or anything.. just admiration to loyalty and flooding deep emotions.. in addition to a mind blowing sex XD.. so,
So boring. Smh.
hlama, aka: the angelic part of you, said that scorpios qualities are what she likes but can't have.. now, am I talking to the evil part ?
momonosuke
Have Sumin buy a better set of rings and propose to Sungji, move aboard with Sungji to their "promised place", adopt a little porong and a little Sumiji, make a family and live happily ever after with the fortune that chairman left behind. Send Seju a birthday card every year with an attachment of their family pic. Muahahahahah~
hahahah.. whatever Sumin does, she should NEVER EVER buy a fu*king ring.. never again!
Good God, have you seen how fast she took her ring off in ch53.. if she is burdened by it too much, why buying it in the first place!!
blows my mind!
The good part is: the writer, Gyeomji, is a fellow scorp.. no evil twin or anything.. just admiration to loyalty and flooding deep emotions.. in addition to a mind blowing sex XD.. so,
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Haha I guess we are difficult to convince. XD Probably due to the indecisiveness, but I would always see the logic in your perspective as you would cite chapters and panels. Even though I may not fully be convinced, you do end up introducing a new possible way of looking at things. I end up highly considering it.
nah, this is not the case, the indecisiveness. But more like you would prefer something clearly shown rather than inferred or perceived.
Sumin was in the Kitchen drinking her coffee and dazed out.. I thought she was thinking about it (but I can't prove it)
Definitely becoming more aware of how often Sumin dazes out...
hahahaha.. sometimes it is explained sometimes TG leave it to the reader.. but that's my guess.
I see, you also got the ring part right too. :) Do you think it may come up in Sungji and Sumin's talk?
It had crossed my mind before, but I truly don't know.. I think Sumin and Sungji do have a lot to talk about.. and whether team Gaji would bring the ring matter up or not depends totally on the route they will be taking.
I personally think that the ring itself will open the hell gates loose: the way Sungji left it in Seju's house, Seju's condition that day and it's relation to ch10.. then again ch55 and ch82.. it is going to be hell a lot of issues, when I think that Sungji and Sumin have to talk about themselves and the actual thing going on right now. So, in short.. I don't know what route TG will be taking.
I know you discovered the manhwa later, but if you made the bet before chapter 58, I would give you a lot of credit. Still do, but even more so. Things were not as clear back then. You got guts...
hahahah.. ch74 was tough you know, I can't forget it XD.. but I found this drug in late December 2016, ch 67 was the first chapter I purchased.
however, back when ch77 was out, I guess not many found that Seju and Sumin are a possible winner horse XD
https://dynasty-scans.com/forum/topics/6809-what-does-the-fox-say-discussion?page=253#forum_post_277007
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but what Seju can't live without is her hope that Sumin would comeback.
That post has to be one of my favorites you've written... (makes mental note of the page number)
hahaha.. as long as at least one Gemini is convinced then I could never be happier. I guess I got this idea from how Seju narrates the nature of her relationship with Sumin in ch27 and ch45.. and her reaction to Sumin cutting all ties in a way she is not used to it (ch54)..
Sumin: then what should I do if I want to comeback to you
Seju: then just comeback to me
back then she had no problem with how long Sumin would be with someone else as long as she would eventually comeback. It is the hope that keeps her living.. not the exact presence.
Two things on my mind:
1) For chapter 45, I perceived it as neither Sumin was expecting her nor Seju was stalking.
That was just the nature of the their relationship, to show up unexpected at times (but welcomed) whenever they felt like it.
That also makes sense.. I don't disagree with it as a very good possibility, given how they functioned. However, in ch46.. there was a moment when Sumin was in the Kitchen drinking her coffee and dazed out.. I thought she was thinking about it (but I can't prove it)
2) About what chapter did you and yoonie make that bet?
hahahaha, it was around ch78.. I made the legendary expectation and calculation of the timeline XDD, I even wanted a bet on ch79 being Seju's birthday.. broke my heart temporary XDD
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good moments, especially that one in ch67.
momonosuke
Nora 4 months on average, huh. How long have sungji and sumin been dating? About time to breakup? Hehehe.
hahahaha.. there is a pattern and an adequate sample, you know.
You are right about the dynamic, and I think it is changing already.
the dynamics change is exactly the point.. this is the only way this circle will be broken into another formation, ch50 and ch54 are game changers. Remember when this chapter just came out, I said that this time if Sumin ever goes to Seju.. she will be out of excuses, it's not work, not the assassin or Seju's family. Same thing for Seju, if Sumin would ever knock her door, Seju would ask for a full monogamous relationship (ch86).. in which she also can kiss Sumin and make love to her the way she wants to (ch54) and have her by her side completely.
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Such a romantic, Nora. :)
hahaha, or maybe being dramatic about the laundry in which I found that shirt with XDD
#SelfMomentDestruction
I decided not to wash it anyways
my shirt smells like you, you never looked more beautiful wearing any clothes other than mine.. I never looked more beautiful than the times you smudge my lipstick.. I now pass by that shop daily and repeat in my mind a joke you said when we were there once together.. the best part of it was the sound of your laughter.. I miss it.
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ah, there is another shot I really love.. when Seju's image popped up in Sumin's head in the bus ride ch59
and her eye to eye gaze to Sungji when she was topping Sumin and biting her lips in ch55 .. I could've sworn that Seju said: "she is MINE" hehehe
There are some shots that I also love of Sungji, ch69.. when Sumin kissed her forehead, told her "I love you" and Sungji teared.
ch58, the last 3 panels.. the wind ~
ch60.. has many beautiful shots of Sungji .. third panel before the last and these:
http://imgur.com/a/sZ9wJ
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