For the time being I can't help but feel as though I'm sort've beating around the crux of the issues here but I do appreciate all the feedback and will add it to my notes for another look later.
Nevri posted:
I guess we could go with general Tomboy
for both looks and personality while Butch
could only apply to personality? Sounds like best compromise. We could add Handsome lady
or maybe just Handsome
on top of that separately, while we're at it. And then Short hair
could be simply for short hair.
One day, maybe in 2024, we're going to have collapsible tag inheritance. And something like this will not just be encouraged, but completely normal. For now though, I would tend to lean towards fewer redundant tags than many specific ones.
axelmania posted:
Honestly I think leaning into what counts as masculine behavior for a new tag is unhelpful. Once you get past childhood, the difference isn't very dramatic. I mean, feminine girls can be good at sports, and in fact that is what most sports manga about girls are.
This is a valid concern, and is about 30% of the reason we haven't made any serious headway on this yet. To also expand on a bit of what Blastaar said, I tried to reformulate this in my mind where "masculine behaviour" could be tagged uniquely without having a lot of overlap. Outside of these traits:
the "prince" figure, who sometimes embraces that role or sometimes has been forced into it just because of their looks and physique
the sporty gamine girls (closest to the classic "tomboy," I guess) who are often associated with specifically childhood masculine behavior (the ones who aren't afraid of bugs and who are always getting dirty, etc.).
I would tend to find that Delinquent
and Sports
should cover most other "masculine behaviour" that is common enough to be worth tagging here. (though, I'm not sure if yuri really has many "sporty gamine girls" either and all of this is subject to change as we get more Chinese / Korean works hosted)
I think what we need is some way of masculine looking characters being identified regardless of age or behavior. I guess it could be, if they don't have the behavior to fit into Tomboy, they go into this tag instead. Of course, I'm speaking from what I want...The question is whether just short hair is enough and where you draw that line. I don't know that "I know it when I see it" is adequate.
First off, I'm fully against "know it when I see it" tags, and one of the more active site projects at the moment is to fill in the gaps of tag descriptions here. Secondly, I'm completely open to any suggestions, so speaking directly about your own desires is most helpful to me. Lastly, Short hair
as a tag is too vague and applies to so much of the site that it is probably not a very useful tag in the most broad sense. I think we would most likely seek to limit it to hair length above the cheek; or try to pair it with some other characteristics to make it viable enough for use.
I am feeling sad that there's potentially a lot of manga about masculine looking women floating around that I'm not seeing.
I get that. Anything released post-2016 probably has the type of tagging you want, and I don't believe many truly masculine-looking characters would go without the tag entirely.
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