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Ok sure. Just don't come and comment in the My Unrequited Love thread again too.

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I didn't. "If you know you don't like something, don't go out of your way to read it and then comment about it in comments" is a valid criticism. Telling people to not reply to comments they disagree with on public forum is retarded.

Again, you are completely missing the point, so maybe think twice of who you call retarded. It was a rhetorical question to the logic of "if you don't like something don't read it". Need more explanation than that or you still don't get it? Cause I'm really over this argument.

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MacySan posted:

I dunno, just block the Lolicon tag and don't read Itou Hachi. What even the point of reading something you know you don't like and come complain after that you hate what you have read when knowing you hate it ? Just ignore the damn thing.

What's the point of reading and replying to a comment you don't like?

The point of forum is for discussing things with other people. Reading most threads you'd think forum is everyone's personal blog instead, where nobody has to read or interact with each other.

You completely missed the point of my post.

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Itou Hachi-sama, Kodama Naoko-sama, please keep making the story that you love. Unleash all your desires. I love you two so much for always being true to yourself. There are passion and honesty in your works that rarely found in other manga

Kinda reminds me of de Sade LOL. He wrote stuff that in his own time people were thinking should not have been written. Now look, his works went down to the analects of world lit.

Lmao there's a big difference between Naoko Kodama and this, don't put them on the same category. Angst and drama has nothing to do with attraction to underage children.

MacySan
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This story is so fluffy, but... I need to finish Her Tale of Shim Chong ༼ つ ಥ_ಥ ༽つ.

Ugh seriously I at least want to talk about her shim cheong. I dont think the raws are over. I was thinking of making a thread here.

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Get over yourself and pull that stick out of your ass. Grooming involves actively shaping the child's psychological development, not simply waiting for them to grow out of being a minor while interacting with them more or less no differently than any regular acquaintance/neighbor.

This may not be too interesting, but I still felt like writing about my thoughts and conclusion regarding this, after reading the manga and these comments:

  • The concept of grooming was completely new to me. I'm not well-versed in such matters, what remotely affects me is how some people try to mix in pedophilia in their opposition to LGBTQ+ matters. Slippery slope and so on.
  • I went to look up the description, etc.
  • After reading about it, I was still of the opinion that the actions depicted in the story still did not match the (basic?) definition of grooming, if Riku really waits until Otome becomes 18, i.e. 8 more years. My understanding was for it to be grooming, the gained trust and access to the child had to be turned into abuse, which wasn't the case here. It made the impression that Riku has been making responsible choices, given the large age difference.
  • Thinking more about it, and getting over the story's wholesome atmosphere, certain things, like listening to Otome peeing, the lap hugs, the staying over without the parents worrying, started popping up as ways Riku, a working adult, is abusing the relationships she established with Otome and her family. Sleeping in the same bed or taking a bath together would've just made it an even more glaring example of grooming.
  • After that realization, I got to the conclusion that establishing the depicted relationship, with or without the vows, was a fundamental mistake. It has to be hidden from the parents not because of their gender, but because it's obviously problematic, and more importantly, it shapes the decisions Otome makes while growing up.

The truly responsible thing for Riku would've been not to make that "future lovers" promise, or to call it off as soon as she thinks it over. Whether Otome dates someone else before she becomes 18, or keeps being in love with Riku and waiting, should be completely up to Otome. Riku could have told her back then that she might be interested when Otome becomes 18, kept the right distance, and by waiting she could keep taking the risk that Otome may choose someone else in the meantime, on her own, without establishing a relationship that is more committed than it isn't.
I could write more about why that would be more wholesome and healthy in even more ways for both of them, but it is long enough already. Thanks if you've read it.

TL;DR
After learning about grooming and thinking about its implications, this manga lowered my tolerance towards such concepts, even in fiction, which is probably the opposite of the author's intention...

Thank you for being civilized in the discussion. The person you're replying to has no idea what they're talking about. Assuming no one here is an actual p3do, the response of the opposing side in issues like this is mocking at the very best.

Here are some examples of grooming from Wikipedia:

•Taking interest in someone's child (having a "special" friend)
•Giving gifts or money to the child for no obvious reason
•Talking about sexual topics that are not age-appropriate
•Invading the child's privacy (e.g. walking in on him/her in the bathroom)
•Allowing the child to get away with behavior that is not right.

Do they all sound familiar?
Grooming doesn't always mean physical abuse. Grooming is a manipulation of a child (quite often by actually being nice) with the intention of when they're of age they will have a sexual relationship with you. They essentially brainwash that person's brain and structure so they can take advantage of it when it is legal. It's a legal window people like that have found to not get caught.

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Cause i can't block it while you can block Lolicon tag and not see it on the main page ?

Not being able to block it doesn't mean you have to reply. I wasn't even talking to you to begin with, yet you couldn't ignore my comment. From time to time a different opinion on loli stuff should be heard.

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I dunno, just block the Lolicon tag and don't read Itou Hachi. What even the point of reading something you know you don't like and come complain after that you hate what you have read when knowing you hate it ? Just ignore the damn thing.

What's the point of reading and replying to a comment you don't like?

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Waiting for a kid to be of age to start dating them is still illegal and the person in question still a pedo.

Hey what ? How waiting for her to in age to date legally is illegal ? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Like I said, grooming. Look it up.

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This is the definition of grooming. Waiting for a kid to be of age to start dating them is still illegal and the person in question still a pedo.

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I, on the other hand, find this drama funny. It doesn't have to lead somewhere when the story doesn't try to be that serious. It is mostly light hearted.
I mean, the whole Kadakun being a girl is the main theme. So it actually makes more sense to have that misunderstanding for a long time.

Also Kadakun looked pretty girly when she was in her sleeping clothes lol. The chapter fooled me in the beginning and I thought she had actually confessed to being a girl.

MacySan
Citrus + discussion 09 Dec 21:34
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Saburuta with HaruYuzu is like these dudes who will say no homo, even when the situation doesn't call for it.
Deep down, I think Nene is a part of her subconscious she is suppressing.

Also, I can say that Haruyuzu moment was the best thing of Citrus+ so far.

MacySan
Citrus + discussion 09 Dec 08:50
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Lol Mei and Yuzu literally got married, did that really need a clarification? sighs in dumb

MacySan
SHY discussion 08 Dec 15:59
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So Pepesha is 27. Thought she'd be younger.
I think that girl they saw in the Arctic might be a sister of her or related to her.

Also lol at the "yurii orphanage" name.

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I could read this story without the yuri parts as well. Sign me the f up.
Also, Mari apparently is a witch too, don't know why they say she is a human in the description.

MacySan
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I love how in two chapters, Mai went from “I have to break them up” to “just kiss already”

Maybe author-san changed mind because liked the character and didn't want people hating on her.

She never expressed she wanted to break them up though. It's a bit different the fact that she thought she had a chance with Nanoha.

Is it just me or does kouhai-san is now crushing on both chidori and nonoha ?

Yes it seemed like that to me too. Not to the degree of an actual crush but you know.

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MacySan
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You know, you can't always judge a third person entering the story so quick.
Generally, there are other signs of what the character will be.
If it's going to be serious, we get the hints beforehand.
For example with Igarashi (who wasn't a threat either but was more of an antagonist than what Mai seems to be) we had hints about Chidori's past suffering because of an unnamed person before even Igarashi showing up.
With Mai, not only there are no hints of anything serious ever happening, her character design is also silly. She gives off goof vibes and she even kinda ships them.

MacySan
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This is not even a love triangle. You need to have at least one part interested in the other to have a connection, therefore a triangle.
Mai is just someone interested in Nanoha.

MacySan
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Lmao what is that? ^ xD Is that a reference for something?

Anyway, I've read a room for two and I got bored from the first chapters and dropped it, so I can't say much :P ( don't come at me if you like it)

MacySan
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We still don't know if she will try and break them up though, or how much of a drama she will cause. I mean even the Igarashi part which was heavier was handled good.
It's normal to show that other people were interested in them in the past, it's exploring Nanoha's past more.

MacySan
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MacySan posted:

Why are people so upset about some potential drama? You can't always have just fluff.

Form me personally it's more that adding sudden love rival/someone messing with established relationship is cliche af and incredibly lazy. I saw it way too many times and it's way overused as if there wasn't possibly be any other issue author could explore instead. There's slim chance it'll be executed well or with a twist, but honestly it's not really worth the pain of reading through it, especially if it takes some time to resolve. If she manages to break them up, well, she just managed to ruin the pair people are rooting for. If she don't, then until this plot thread concludes, that's all I'll be able to focus on, taking away any enjoyment I could have from anything else currently going on, fluff or not. It's simply cheap and forced drama for the sake of drama. There are countless better things to write about. There's so little actual stories focusing on couple life, so why when they are finally a couple, most of drama is usually focused around trying to break them or keeping them apart? Can't we have some drama made around them being a couple?

I don't like this cliche either, but specifically for this story I don't see her posing any actual threat. So I don't feel like I can't enjoy this because of Mai.
I'll wait to see her development. So far she's just an extra character, and from the raws she still doesn't cause any major drama
Who knows, it could even be beneficial if Chidori gets jealous because we might get some action between her and Nanoha because of that.

MacySan
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Why are people so upset about some potential drama? You can't always have just fluff.
But anyway, I don't think this will be something major. I feel like Mai will end up being mostly harmless. I don't think she will cause any major drama like blackmailing Nanoha to out them.

MacySan
The Next Big Yuri? 01 Dec 13:07
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Lolis ? Don't start to mistake High school setup and Lolis, that's clearly not the same thing.

I never said it is? But a lot of the time highschool girls are presented as lolis. You know, 13 yo with big boobs etc. Or very petite and cute. Nothing creepy about that.
I don't mind HS stories as long as the characters don't feel like caricatures.

You clearly seem to me like someone who prefer Drama or Angst manga rather than fluffy one.

Oh yes, I definitely do. The thing is, I can't find as many stories with drama and/or angst as I can find with fluff.

MacySan
The Next Big Yuri? 01 Dec 12:07
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Might i suggest you going throught Adult Life tag.

I've gone through that and there aren't many stories. I've also searched for office lady tag.
If only mangakas put half of the effort they put in creating loli.

MacySan
The Next Big Yuri? 01 Dec 11:48
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Dunno what your definition of normal is about that. Shim Cheong is really heavy on drama. As for examples, Her Pet (Pito), Blooming Sequence or even It would be great you didn't exist.

I didn't say her shim is normal on drama. Regarding that, I was referring to a manhwa I'd like to see animated.
Normal I meant something like IWBGIYDE. It does have drama but it's on normal levels.
If something has absolutely no drama, then it's like Yuru Yuri or idol anime, which I find boring.

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