Is commander bipolar? One day she devours Aek alive, the next she is a shy maiden. lol

This doesn't really represent their relationship well, but dang it's cute.

Looks like one of those videos where they sloppily edit their mouths on other people on YT.

Mmm, sweet disgruntled rejection from Yuu. Touko knows what she likes.

Is there anything more wholesome than an office lady and her dragon gf cuddling?

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When the public knows you are gay before you do.

Not to mention somewhat of a war of words between @HayaH and @BugDevil, although, from what I saw, @HayaH was the one doing the war for the most part, while @BugDevil didn't really give a shit about it for the most part.
@HayaH
@BugDevil
Correct me if I was wrong in that part I redacted.

Yeah if you stopped mentioning it, maybe it would not be mentioned anymore. Then the not to mention part would be more accurate.
Basically, I don't care about that stuff.

^ Missed ya, Heavensrun. Missed you a whole fucking lot . . .

Not sure if sarcasms. <_<

Not in the least—I’ve been trying put out multiple interpretive brushfires with a spray bottle, and you brought the firehose.

Except for misspelling “Akari” (who I can only remember as “nice goofy het girl”), I don’t disagree with a word.

You sure are giving Heavensrun a lot of credit for things that were already said before in here. And another person repeating it won't stop the people who are dead set on those interpretations. lol
It's crazy that your attempts were "too subtle" for certain people.

Also MAN the art for this series is SOOO PRETTY.

Damn right. I can't believe someone said the manga's art looks flat and uninspired.
Well the anime does give the backgrounds more live, but in general YagaKimi has very good character work and facial expressions.

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^You mean like Polyamory...?

No, you're basically right. But however it happens, the real fundamental change needs to be Touko's. Yuu actually has been pretty proactive in challenging Touko's negative ideas, in a low-key and gentle way to be sure, but she keeps hitting that stone wall inside Touko.

Both Touko and Yuu need to change from where they are right now, but for Yuu that amounts to the need for some emotional TLC to arrive at a new understanding of her own feelings, while Touko needs to throw over one of the basic principles of her self-identity. That's one of the things I love about Yuu--she doesn't seem to doubt that she's worthy to love and be loved (although she wonders at first what someone great like Touko sees in her), she just doesn't really grasp what that actual experience is supposed to be like.

That's one thing therapy teaches you--coming to understand and contextualize your own feelings is useful and necessary (Yuu), but actually changing long-established negative patterns of thought and behavior (Touko) involves a lot more heavy lifting in the emotional work department.

I would never suggest Yuu hasn't been proactive. Her actions are the entire reason we could even get this far.
The problem is that she stumbled at the finishing line due to two factors. Her selflessness and her inexperience with love. She pulled back too fast. She gave up too easily.

There is no doubt that Touko needs way more attention and force to change, but I see it this way: What would happen if Touko did not manage to change on her own? What if she can't even change with Sayaka's help? Leaving the resolution, the fixing of their relationship just to the odd chance that Touko will handle it is kind of going against everything this story was about.

This is a meet halfway in the middle situation. Touko comes running back for Yuu, but Yuu is already sprinting straight into her. That's how I want this story to conclude haha
Well... metaphorically speaking.
and literally

I would make the same conclusion from a different direction. After the latest chapter Touko is in a position to judge her relationship with Yuu a painful failure or lost cause that she has to leave behind, and Yuu is the only person who can do anything about that. Touko has never failed with Sayaka.

Rei for MVP, that's still my team.

I hope you didn't mean that to say Touko will take Sayaka up on that confession... "I never messed up with Sayaka!" sounds like a line spoken before disaster lol

In case you meant just that Touko gives up and Sayaka won't be any help: While that is definitely not out of the question it would feel like a repeat of the pattern, wouldn't it? Yuu comes to snap Touko out of her problem again? At some point Touko just becomes a damsel in distress (emotionally speaking). If she never confronts Yuu herself, where is the balance?

Rei having the sisterly pep talk would be great~

I'm a lot more worried about how Yuu is going to get out of this. I didn't see anybody talk about those first two pages. Seems she really is in denial. The line about being able to do what they want now that Touko and Sayaka are gone rings a bit more heavy than it is probably meant to be...

Well, nothing can happen until Touko changes, so until she does, Yuu is facing an emotional dead end. Her apparent denial is of a piece with her steadiness and reliability. She’s said her piece, and having been rejected, to her that’s that.

In other words, she’s not going to “move on” in the sense of looking for a new love object; she’s retreating to her belief that she won’t know love.

All it will take is an open-hearted Touko in the equipment shed to set things aright.

That's fair enough, but do you really believe that's how it will go down?
That kind of passivity doesn't suit this stage of the story. If anything both sides need to learn something right now. Just waiting for Touko to get over herself seems a tad too simplistic. This is the point where some character should break Yuu out of her protective shell and make her realize that she is actually heartbroken. Yuu has reached a point where she alone cannot move on, but if Touko is the one to get her out of there it will entirely lack the necessary power of that change.

Basically what I mean is that while Touko gets shaken up by Sayaka, Yuu needs to realize that she is hurting and find the resolve to confront Touko again even if she is not ready to accept her! Only a proactive Yuu can ever find happiness, this is what this story established so far. Whenever Yuu hesitates or stays passive she hurts herself.

I hope that made even a shred of sense.

EDIT: And the recent attention given to Sayaka’s character without corresponding attention to the possibility of Touko accepting her feelings suggests that it’s more about setting up the Sayaka spin-off than it is the start of a fundamental change in the trajectory of the main series.

It feels like it's just the conclusion of her arc honestly. For the lack of a better term "The final hurdle" for pretty much both of them before having the realizations they need to advance.

I'm a lot more worried about how Yuu is going to get out of this. I didn't see anybody talk about those first two pages. Seems she really is in denial. The line about being able to do what they want now that Touko and Sayaka are gone rings a bit more heavy than it is probably meant to be...

Matsuri is still closer to my heart, and more relatable. I'd rather HaruMatsu to happen than ToukoSayaka lol

Welp. One of those at least has a 10% chance of happening. So you took the safer bet lol

That's what I've been trying to say, but people seem to not want to believe there is a reasonable likelihood of Touko and Sayaka dating, even if only for a while. Nakatani is giving A LOT of positive attention to Sayaka for a lot of chapters now, to the point where a lot of readers feel confused about who they should be cheering for here. Can't be a coincidence.

You should name yourself sayaka_wins already.
At least then we can be sure Nakatani won't actually do it :P

That sounds like way too much work. Emulating Nakatani's style is like asking for monkeys to write Shakespeare.

Pretty much... It's almost certain that Nakatani just wrote three lesbian girls with emotional issues (heck sayaka is as standard gay as it gets). That's all there is to it lol

As another writer, I second this first bit. I tend to think I'm not a terrible author, but YagaKimi set the bar so high I legitimately can't even consider trying to write fanfics for it because I know I'll screw things up.

As for the second bit, pretty sure Yuu isn't a standard lesbian, but Touko and Sayaka definitely are. I'm too labeled out to go into detail on what I think Yuu is today, maybe after some sleep...

Well I am a terrible author and I can still see that it's impossible. I'm happy to see that even veterans are shaking in their boots at the idea of writing something on par with YagaKimi lol

Most people who want to label her beyond lesbian call her demisexual. I think that is pretty extra, but if we had to put more stickers on Yuu that one's probably the least inaccurate. ┐(´∀｀)┌

People have so much ideas, I can see writers in here too, I wish some of you can write Yagakimi ff instead lolz...

Edit: i feel tired reading all the labels tbh. Idk why people was so addicted to label. When in fact Nakatani is obviously not bothered by it.

That sounds like way too much work. Emulating Nakatani's style is like asking for monkeys to write Shakespeare.

Pretty much... It's almost certain that Nakatani just wrote three lesbian girls with emotional issues (heck sayaka is as standard gay as it gets). That's all there is to it lol

I'd say their "professionally distant" relationship is largely because of Touko, though. Sayaka's at least vaguely suspicious and jealous of whatever's going on between Yuu and Touko, while Yuu's trying to keep it secret from, y'know, Touko's BFF who's also rather perceptive and smart to boot.
A certain chilly awkwardness is somewhat inevitable there.

That aside I've always had the impression that they like and respect each other well enough as people, it's just the whole mess around Touko results in uncomfortable tensions and them kind of avoiding direct contact with each other. If you removed those complications they'd likely get along just fine.

I can accept that their interactions are more strained and antagonistic (at least from Sayaka's direction) thanks to Touko being in the middle, but Yuu has never shown any negative reaction to Sayaka. Even when Sayaka confessed that she loved Touko it just made Yuu smile. That is not the reaction of someone who really feels threatened or even remotely troubled by a declaration of war. Which makes me feel like Yuu doesn't really have any negative emotions towards Sayaka in general. She seems completely dispassionate about her in fact. Just another senpai she tries to get along with out of necessity as a part of the student council.

Sayaka might be icier towards Yuu thanks to her taking Touko's attention, but Sayaka seems to not put much faith or interest in kouhais in general. She really is the high and mighty senpai. The distance would exist even if Touko wasn't there is my point.

Hmmm... But this topic tickles my writer's heart. It's almost like a challenge... I'll think about it some more. Maybe I can actually think of a scenario where this pairing could work out (probably not). lol

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It's kind of sad that the only solution to anything around here is deleting posts or banning people. Out of sight, out of mind, eh?
Just leave it be and we are done here sheesh.

Listen, I don't want ANYONE banned. But some of the posts here (my own included (in fact, I think mine especially)) are too much... I'm gonna either edit or delete some of my posts since page 183 that include spam rn.

Well I can't disagree with that. At least you stopped double or triple posting, so things are looking up~

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It's kind of sad that the only solution to anything around here is deleting posts or banning people. Out of sight, out of mind, eh?
Just leave it be and we are done here sheesh. We don't need to bother Nezchan with everything.

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Well, I already said my part about that person's personal issues. I have nothing more to add to that.

We are no interested about your personal superficial opinions, bug, and don't try to "explain" something what we personally know better than you.

You are fulfilling the profile which is described in our link more than in two paragraphs, and you are constantly bugging us, pulling shits on everything we say, even when we don't speak directly to you. And we have more than one reason to suspect in your identity here.
Even if you are not that psycho, we gave the explanation what is about. Respect it. Or if you are that psycho, it's clear why you pulled up this "psychoanalysis", trying to turn the tables around without any strong argument. Can't pass.

Also, you are not some doctor of psychoanalysis, seeing from your analyses about characters in manga, here. Your opinions are based on very weak arguments, as conclusions "this is yes, this is no", without entering in deeper levels and explanations why you think it.

All what we are saying to you, is that your attitude in discussion is wrong, and if you are concluding something, explain it how you get that result. Your conclusions are just your personal presumptions, and you can't say "this is not" without arguments to prove it somehow.
How you act for now, we can't consider it seriously.

About Touko and Sayaka, they are also in gray area.
Touko might be akoisexual(lithosexual) http://lgbta.wikia.com/wiki/Lithosexual
We don't say she is, we just mentioned it as possibility, observing her behavior (turning down all confessions, being blocked to say anything when Yuu confessed, etc.)
It's just our impression, so we want to say it, and we don't see reasons why you have problems with everything what we say.

Sayaka, she might be probably sapiosexual (attracted in intelligence).

It's all yet not so clear in manga, so any development is possible.

About that guy who blocked you, we are not that guy. We are dual, having an abstract gender, and we are entities who live in female form. How we look like, no one knows. Only our body is visible. We will be and remain mystery to you.

That guy (I actually dont know their sex, so I just call them a guy) also talked about how I sent "minions" after him and follow him everywhere and how he blocked me before. Seems a bit too much of a coincidence tbh.
But I seem to have stopped caring already. Enjoy your paranoia.

Those things you mentioned are not sexualities. Those are preferences or mental issues. Stop making every single possible expression of one's love or sexuality a category. "Sapiosexual" is silly. Just say someone likes smart people. It's not a sexuality.
If you need proof of the fact that they are physically attracted to each other, read the training camp chapter again. Sayaka's & Touko's reactions are fairly obvious.
If and this is a big if, you really interpret Touko's obvious romantic connection issues as whatever you think lithosexual is, you would probably be better of calling her lithromantic (because she clearly does want physical contact from Yuu, she just holds back out of fear she might be hated for it). Even though that is still not a thing and just means she has issues with forming solid connections. A mental problem, not a sexuality.

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"...so I tried pouncing on her."

If this pilot has taught me one thing it's that we were actually experiencing the SUPER SUPPRESSED SAKURAKO the entire time! Holy moly, her gayness is just beyond this world! And Kasumi is totally not talking around the bush either!

Is this what it's like to find out that the opponent you had a tough time keeping up with was wearing weighted clothing the entire time?!

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Bug, you won't give up?
You are ignorant. Inform yourself.
Being ace is a spectrum, and we clearly said those girls are all in GRAY area.

We owe you one answer on your question about our previous post when you said "what a heck was that?"

We will show you:
https://www.asexuality.org/en/topic/180303-troubles-with-psychopath/?tab=comments#comment-1063135543

sigh There is not a single hint of Touko or Sayaka being ace. Not a single one. There are actually dozens of clear showcases for the opposite. Asexuality might be a spectrum, but you need to recognize when someone clearly isn't on it. Yuu is a gray area, the others are not.
Both Sayaka and Touko have shown explicit physical interest in their crushes/love. Accept it.

Huh? That's probably the most paranoid thing I've ever read. I think experts call that a persecution complex. Sorry to say this, but you aren't the center of some crazy obsessive guy's scheme, you just take all negative responses towards you and blame it on one "villain" so you can make sense of it. Typical escapism.
But now that I see this paranoid rambling... I think I actually do recognize you. You're that guy with the overly long name on fanfiction.net who attacked me via PMs because he didn't like my Neptunia fanfic. Riiiight, the guy who insulted me, asked me to explain myself and then blocked me all in the same reply. lol
If you're not that guy, sorry, but you sure sound like him.

I got a hard time ignoring that... whatever that is above, but there is no sensible conversation to be had anyway.
Nobody in this story is ace (except MAYBE Yuu, though not likely). Nobody except Maki is aro either. Those are pretty much facts.

But... "Homoromantic, sexuality unknown" is the funniest thing I read all week.

Nothing wrong with liking a cute girl's beauty a lot :p especially if you're gay af like Sayaka.

How fortunate, then, that I didn’t suggest there was.

Still, there’s something just a little teeny-weeny bit odd-ish about the timing of the last one. It’s the ultimate moment, right before Sayaka confesses the feelings she’s been holding in for so long, and as she looks on the loved one, her last thought before speaking isn’t, “I truly love this person standing before me,” but “I think she’s especially my type.”

There’s also nothing wrong with having a preferred “type” that you’re attracted to, of course—I assume that to some extent everybody does.

But if, hypothetically, a partner (or prospective partner) were to ask, “What exactly do you like about me?”, to answer, “You’re really my type!” would obviously be a bit problematic, and in just the way that Touko fears.

If, to choose a random example, one’s type were perky girls with short dark hair (it’s random, I tell you, totally random!), not only does it suggest that the attraction is based on a category rather than on the actual person, but that person could rightly think, “What if I got depressed or I wanted to dye my hair, or let it grow out?”

(Again, being drawn to someone because they’re your type is perfectly fine, maybe even inevitable, but it’s a crappy answer to that hypothetical question.)

On the topic of being with someone who isn’t your type:

https://youtu.be/9YuizLVLL-w

I firmly believe that Sayaka's realization was not about "body" type in that situation. She already said before that Touko is attractive to her/her type. No, I think that moment right before her confession was the realization that she likes Touko for every part of her. Everything about her is Sayaka's "type". I guess this is hard to put into words, but that's just what it felt like.

Also talk about a classic, no, a super classic! You're not wrong. Once you are in love you start to like/appreciate things that you previously didn't care for.

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Classic Canno. Seeing Touko in that artstyle is making my head ache tho (it surprisingly fits Sayaka however) lol

Yeah, Touko looks jarringly… cute (except that look at the end)? but I love Canno's Sayaka. She has just enough of that adult charm to her.

And you know, that "best compatibility" between Yuu and Sayaka isn't that farfetched. Had they known each other without Touko in between, they could have made for a fun, snarky kind of couple. Although physically, petite girls like Yuu might not be Sayaka's type.

Honestly Sayaka's design is kind of right in Canno's artistic stroke zone lol

I can't really say it often enough, but I don't feel any chemistry between Yuu and Sayaka. Like at all. You can force the connection in there if you really tried, but it's kinda obvious that Sayaka barely acknowledges her with or without Touko's existence.
The snarky couple thing only works if they have anything in common or even something opposite that attracts them to each other. With their personalities and guarded attitudes I simply can't even imagine a scenario where they would ever get together if Touko never existed (okay, I actually can always cook up some crazy plot, but that would be brutally farfetched).

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Ha ha ha, little bug, nice try. This is all on topic what we are writing (except our answer to you when you interfered .

Our personal preferences are Sayaka x Yuu ( if polyamory option fails).
Or Sayaka Miyako. That's something what we already explained

But, we recognize your smug style, so we will not waste our time to be "bugged" with you anymore. We already blocked you on the other site and expected to meet you here as well, knowing that you already have prepared "pawns" here, knowing us for years and where we'll go, in advance.
And attacking us TWICE was not a coincidence (first time about polyamory, second time spitting on our answer to other person)
So, smug, from now on, we ignore you. Fight with air.

What the heck just happened?

At least it's over I guess.

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