Tragedy

People were dead convinced even on Stretch, and the dust storms the mere uttering of that name raises can be viewed from space.

I mean, that series had a consistent amount of stretching. You can hardly call it false advertising.

Actually, if memory serves, the actual stretching declined significantly as the series progressed...

Wow a twist!

I'm pretty sure Touko is dating Rikka because she reminds her of her sister. I mean their auras seem similar (both cool, stylish and confident) and has the same friggen name. Prob as a "it's wrong to date my actual sister, and it'll never happen anyway so...."

I will go with this as well. I mean, same name, similar looks, sure seems like a stand-in for her sister. I want her to be a stand-in for the sister... please, cruel author, make a sequel...

This is the best reply as far as I can see, but for the biphobia? I disagree.

Judging by the rest of your post, I have a strong impression you misread that part of my comment. I was actually saying I do not agree with the statement of Kodama's works being biphobic (or rather, propagating biphobic manga stereotypes).

Hirose best girl! And now I ship her with both mains! SO MUCH FRIENDSHIP GOING AROUND!!

This was delicious as sin, thank you, Kodama~ I was especially delighted by the school grill's priorities, some heavy philosophical stuff mentioned in passing --> "What does that mean...?" --> "Besides that, Shiori-san's boobs are huge... They're so pretty..."

As to all the hate in this thread...

It was blindingly obvious for a long time what Kodama's preferences are.

"I wanted her to be even more garbage."
"...my personal elements of moe."
"Pretty girl with long, wavy hair. / Yandere. / Big tits."
"Therefore, love-hate, soap opera drama...!"
"Be my slave." "Here, I'll r*pe you."
"I just love characters like Ririko, who are cute but have a naturally bad personality."

She can write light fluff, she just does not want to. The number of people that, time and time again, wander into her works somehow expecting Kodama to not be Kodama never ceases to amaze me. She likes soap opera (which is to say, crappy dorama), she likes hot grills with bad personalities, she likes cheating. If that is not your cup of tea, like, do not read her works, simple as that. Bonus points for each doujin being tagged with all the necessary tags. You have only your own idiocy to blame, dear haters.

And lmao at all the "objective truth" and "everyone hates her" crap, there is obviously an audience that appreciates her works, as demonstrated in this very thread, and, you know, by the fact she still produces such content after all these years. Granted, she caters to specific tastes, but those tastes do exist. Deal with it.

As for her spreading bi-hatred, here is the thing. On the surface, you seem to have a point. I am one of those people that get peeved at the usual portrayal of bi people in gay manga, as perpetual cheaters who usually leave their partner for the opposite sex. As a bi person myself, it does annoy me to no ends at times. But, and here is the point, I never got that feeling with Kodama's works. It could be because she deliberately makes her characters as garbage as possible, maybe it is because of something else, but I never got the "she is doing the bi people a disservice" feeling. Her works are exactly what she wants them to be, soap opera. Honestly, do you watch soap opera for its accurate and deep social commentary?

When you post an entire wall of text in the wrong thread, because you quoted your older post for convenience's sake, and then forgot the quote will go to that same thread...

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Just about the only funny thing, for me, was the tsundere bit. Aside form those two panels, I found this more cringe-worthy than amusing. A lesbian who is constantly pushing someone who is not interested, and a straight girl who is using the other's emotional attachment to halve her bills. I can see this used successfully for comedy (or delicious crappy dorama, offers a prayer to Kodama) but this particular instance falls flat for me.

Straight yuri fans are such a bizarre concept to me.

Fact: most yuri fans are males and straight.

Not true, the majority of yuri fans are women

Not by much, though, if you go through the survey Nez linked, it is actually closer to half-half, though women are slightly more numerous.

UranusAndNeptuneAreJustCousins posted:

A one-shot featuring a girl with old-fashioned mannerisms (I think shaking hands was mentioned, in specific) whose nickname in the class is "Lord", because her name is either literally "Tono" or very similar to it.

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/sitting_behind_the_girl_i_love

That is the one, thank you!

A one-shot featuring a girl with old-fashioned mannerisms (I think shaking hands was mentioned, in specific) whose nickname in the class is "Lord", because her name is either literally "Tono" or very similar to it.

This was really cute, but I am now left with a huge craving for a sequel... ;_;

If anyone is into fanfics, I would recommend "Hayate x Vivio Files", it was a collaborative work by several authors. It started as a crack pairing, obviously, but it quickly got a serious overtone, and it succeed marvellously. The three stories you should start off with (that is, if you decide to read it) are written by deathcurse (the originator of the series), and are, in order how you should read them: firstly, "You Never Lose By Loving"; secondly, "Lose By Holding Back"; and thirdly, "Prerogative of the Brave". After that, you can read the remaining fics in pretty much any order you want. Those are, by deathcurse: "Gut Feeling", "Little Girl", "Ulterior Motives", "It Must Be Love", and "Judgment Day".
Also, part of the series: "To Let Nature Run its Course" by Extrinsical, "Grandmama Wolf" by RadiantBeam, "No Atheists in Foxholes" by DezoPenguin, "The Things We Tame" by Shigan (this last one is listed on deathcurse's profile as 'in progress', but it is actually completed).

In all, some 82 000 words worth of fics (42 000 of which are "Prerogative of the Brave"), and these are some of the best fanfic writers in the Nanoha fanbase. It is also possible that in the meantime some other authors have contributed as well, there have been some years since I read this particular series.

Merry Christmas!

This was awesome, a sequel would be highly appreciated~

As for the few folks arguing about the gaypay tag, I actually see where you are coming from. If she was not gay to begin with, and opted for prostitution to get some cash, you would think she would go for the het variant, the market for that is considerably bigger to begin with. Then again, maybe the lesbian option pays more. Though, I would not be in favour of removing the tag, simply because I am a sucker for stories that feature sex workers (especially if they turn out as wholesome as this), and that is the only tag we have to indicate such a story.

I mean, she outgrew her in other areas as well~~~

Moreover, although her “I’m sorry” was misunderstood as an “official confession rejection,” at this point that’s a distinction without a difference—she explicitly says, “I can’t return Yuu’s feelings.”

True, but the way it was presented, with all the sadness and "but... I miss her..." as the final thought, it feels more like she is trying to convince herself she can not return Yuu's feelings, rather than that being a concrete decision.

In short, beside all the complicated psychological issues Touko has, which also work against Sayaka, there are two far more simple factors. One being that she is already in love with someone else (whatever her decision on a possible relationship turns out to be), and the other one is that she does not seem to be hard determined on a course of action regarding Yuu.

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This. Plus the fact loving someone does not entitle that person to anything. Not a single one of them "deserves" something in this situation, that entire question is basically nonsensical. If Touko is not into Sayaka, and I am struggling to remember what would indicate otherwise, then that is that.

You're not wrong. But I framed it that way in part because my first response in this conversation was in regarding the idea that it would be distasteful for Touko to accept Sayaka's confession after rejecting Yuu. Obviously Sayaka isn't owed anything, but neither is Yuu. Should Touko accept Sayaka's confession it has nothing to do with Yuu.

I disagree, it has everything to do with Yuu. Not in the sense that Yuu herself is owed anything, but in the sense of what she means to Touko. Bear in mind that Touko did not actually reject Yuu, she was too surprised, too shocked to even properly answer, the "I'm sorry" line was her apologising for hurting Yuu with her stance on reciprocated romance, it was not a rejection. Touko is still in love with Yuu, and showed no such interest in Sayaka. Never mind that accepting Sayaka's confession would make no sense, it would also not be fair towards Sayaka herself.

How about: Yuu is adorable. Sayaka likes girls. Sayaka corners Yuu in the equipment shed. Hijinks ensue.

I ship that like you would not believe~

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What happened to this story? in the beginning it looked like a pretty decent story with an actual plot with lots of interesting characters that was leading up to something. right around Their Story: 22/12/2017 it just turned into a cute episodic web manga with no really story line to follow. Though i still enjoy it and love the main characters, cute as they are i still want to know what's happening with the other characters.

Literally scroll up. Short form: God-Emperor Xi and nationalist-reactionary censorship happened.

To be slightly more specific, this. This was the point of the shift into purely random slice-of-life.

Also.

Honestly, I do not think we will ever receive anything more than these random "safe" little episodes from the lives of the main characters.

I am not bothered with having to eat my own words here, on the contrary. This was both unexpected and really heartwarming, my hat is off to the author.

You are missing the point.

Which is?

Why do people like to criticize without pointing out what the actual problem is? If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I'd like to know why and about what then ^^;

Ah, my apologies, I kind of assumed it was obvious, since the main issue with this story has been the same for the last year or so. It was never about whether or not they will end up together, as Heavensrun wrote, the endgame was obvious basically since the very beginning. The issue is the shift shilyte1982 described, when the series went from a slice-of-life coupled with several major story arcs, to just purely random slice-of-life episodes.

To slightly elaborate, the last coherent story arc (also happens to be the most crucial one) was the first kiss I linked you previously, coupled with the fangrill "triangle" drama. I will quote myself from almost a year ago:

Except, she did not end the fangirl's arc. Not yet, the last scene is missing. It is not in the style of this story to have the fangirl confess (and even that was not actually shown), provide a short backstory on how she developed feelings for SJ, then just drop it there, SJ skips the meeting with QT, shows up another day, no questions asked (from us as readers).

She also did not return to the main story. They kissed, QT was quite reflective of that, and then... nothing, they behave the same as usual (in the sweet potato scene, as for this latest update, there is no way to tell how much time passed between the kiss scene and now, this is just a little snippet that could have happened months after they resolved everything).

Also, the story did not previously do what is doing now. The first kiss + the new (however short) drama was consistently built and hyped over a course of several consecutive releases, but the story has for the last 7 chapters been downright adamant at not going back to any of this. From a pacing standpoint, this sucks, and considering it coincided with the whole censorship issue, it really might be down to the author not being in the mood to tackle it.

This will sound callous, but I am not invested in this story because of the author, or what she is facing in China (as appalling as the situation is there). I am invested in the story itself, and when pacing starts to go all over the place, as it is now, I am not really interested in exactly what real life circumstances in author's life led to this. However deplorable the censorship issue is, it will not suddenly make me think "nah, pacing is completely fine, the author is just going through some rough patches in real life".

The author basically shifted the format of her story after far too much time passed. Speaking from a purely personal standpoint, having the moment (they becoming lovers) I waited for something like 4 years ruined, well, let us say it dampened my appreciation of the work as a whole. I was invested in the story of them getting together, I have been invested in it for years. And at this point, after almost a year or possibly even longer, any chances of the work continuing that particular thread are long since dead and buried. Make me eat these words as well, author... ;_;

And it was not just the story of the main duo that was abruptly halted, I was also invested in other, smaller story arcs, like Qi Fang's, his issues with girls/romance, something was building up there as well. I also miss the rest of the cast, I grew to like them quite a bit. I remember when people complained back in the day how the side characters had too much space devoted to them, prompting some readers to speculate how "their" in the title might actually refer to the whole group, I quite liked that idea. Well, all that also went down the drain.

Let me get you started -- Which "love" is more true; Touko's heart on her sleeve but "don't love me back" towards Yuu, Yuu's self(ish(less)) wanting (to help) Touko to change, or Sayaka's loving "everything" about Touko from afar while she waits? Do all of them or does any of them deserve something in this situation?

That has literally nothing to do with anything, because they're fictional characters. They exist to serve the narrative. It doesn't matter what any of them would deserve as individuals, it matters what. serves. the story. A romance that spends 5 volumes basically exclusively devoted to the development of a particular relationship then swerves suddenly to change to an entirely different relationship for the last two (with one providing the transition) is badly structured. That's it.

This isn't Sayaka's story. It's Yuu and Touko's. That is objectively evident by literally every piece of secondary art, merchandise, the advertising, and most importantly, the structure of the story that we have been shown.

This. Plus the fact loving someone does not entitle that person to anything. Not a single one of them "deserves" something in this situation, that entire question is basically nonsensical. If Touko is not into Sayaka, and I am struggling to remember what would indicate otherwise, then that is that.

Now, this is how you shipwar! Fucking savage, lmao!

"Futari Monologue" meets "The Thing".

Suggestion: Use Tags for what they are intended to be used for...

I'm srly sick an tired of people giving joke tags for whatever reason and moderators going along with it. If you can give out tags for the shits and giggles what's the point of giving them out in the first place?

Agreed. Useless joke tags like "yuri", "love triangle", "school life", and "NSFW" should all be deprecated. Only useful tags like "ham" and "lizard" should be kept.

Hugh Jackman is the most useful tag on the site, fight me!

So much for all the talk about what would never happen in the series ^^;

Although it might not happen. But if that's not an implication of feelings returned I don't know what is.

We have explicitly known their feelings are mutual for over a year now. You are missing the point.

To elaborate, this artist has several themes running with their depiction of KanColle grills. Iowa and Warspite have a thing for Kongou, while Kongou wants her beloved Admiral and is trying (and failing, often ending with sex) to escape the two blondes. Ark Royal, on the other hand, has a thing for Bismarck (people with knowledge of history of the two ships will immediately see why it is hilarious, it was a Swordfish torpedo bomber from Ark Royal that disabled Bismarck's rudder during the famed hunt, dooming the battleship). Bismarck, needles to say, is about as enthralled with this prospect as Kongou is with hers.

In this image, Kongou decides to use Ark to lure away Warspite (an idea that is not without merit), Iowa falling prey to gaming, so she can have a shot at the Admiral. Unfortunately for her, Ark is too fixated on the reluctant Bismarck for her plan to even lift off the ground.

Edit: DAMN IT TO HELL, NORA... cries

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