A lot of japanese fans consider futari yuri. It was accepted in the twitter tag yuri network. But it should be tagged as such, because some don't like it.

Yes. That was the purpose of the question, I think.

When it is futari, there'll be a futari tag, too, though. I think that was their problem.

In that case I think what you mean is more realistic lesbian stories as opposed to often pretty unrealistic yuri fluff. I still find splitting LGBT stories and yuri stories in separate categories redundant. There is plenty yuri artist that write stories with more serious lesbian characters and plots, but still consider their work yuri.

Yeah, that's why I said my personal definition. To be fair, I think it's kinda useless try to define something like this. It was a term who was born vaguely and somehow started to be used even in the official business, but everyone had a different view of what it is about. Just remember those studies about definition of yuri. Even in Japan there's differents interpretation. And I think it's fine that way.

Although, yeah, that does make it harder to tag it.

My personal definition is that yuri is entertainment and lesbian is political view. Of course you can have political views in yuri, but it's not the main point. That Manga about lesbian motherhood for example, it's not made by a mangaka, but by an activist. So while I do read both kinds, the reasons for doing so are different.

But the main problem here is that yuri genre doesn't exist. Yuri is not a genre, it's a demographic. Just like shoujo, shounen, seinen and josei aren't genres. That's why they still have a main genre beside the demographic.
Yuri is pretty much "hey, you like girls loving girls? How about reading these stories? You might like them.".

I didn't realize it was late night, it seems to be written for a younger audience.

Me too, at first. Although some of the design (created for the game) are quite fanservicey if we think about it. But since the show choose not to focus on it, we didn't realize.
The director did say they wanted to do something family friend, but they also said they wanted something that could heal a person after a hard day of work.

if you're wearing your goggles in a children's series.

Why does this sound wrong? Should I participate in the crime and watch the show? Lol

It's not an actual children's show, actually. It's a late night anime and some designs are cleary made with otaku audience in mind. It just have the format of a children's show because...why not?

Although, that phrase shouldn't be weird when we talked a lot about shipping Mirai and Riko in Precure here.

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https://myanimelist.net/people/10854/TATSUKI

Don't know if it's correct, but MAL do credit Kemono Friend's director as an yaoi mangaka. That could explain a lot.

Also, how did he know about the "same sex lover"?

He probably deducted that this is the thing her aunt would be against.

Anyway, I kinda hope it is her aunt there, and there's some twist about who was the body. We just assumed it's her aunt all this time.

Though i'm excited for Nights of Azure as it is an actual game rather than a visual novel. Pity such a rare yuri RPG s didn't sell well :(

You do realize it sold better than the Atelier game and it's one of the best launch sales for Gust, right?

a site that seems to promote yuri and everything yuri
has het
this doesn't make sense. can someone define "good" het? that sounds like an oxymoron to me. it's so stupid to come to a website that prides itself on being all about yuri just to find out you have things like het and futa. dicks don't equal girl love. NO! keep the dicks elsewhere. go shit up some other website with your dicks and your dudes, no thank you. I want women with VAGINAS! clashing them together. so glad for black listing, but it's still in bad taste to even have the genre be mentioned

Are you okay?

Regardless of what anyone thinks about this, the documentary is a non-issue. Not even Japanese law could ban actual lolicon content, so what chances a random western has?

http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/chio_chan_no_tsuugakuro_ch19#28

D'aw, Manana is totally into Chio after all.

Don't know about the face she made, but the "not" in the end is the joke.
"Is it true?!"
"Of course.....not".

That means, Manana do think nobody would fall in love with her.
Anyway, there's no yuri, and if there ever is, it would be for comedy sake. As always with nonsense gag manga.

The game looks so interesting! I saw it in Japan and thought about buying it, but since I speak very little japanese it would have been a waste...

The picture is great though, isn't it?

Yeah...probably a delusion, though.
Anyway, there's some cute Aoba x Hifumi images, too.

Bought the kindle version and read the three first stories. They're pretty good. Sure, standard yuri plot, but still nice.
Also, they're REALLY easy to read. Knowing some basic grammar and kanjis and with the KanjiTomo's help, you probably won't have much trouble.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3f9c8LUkAEGu9c.jpg

Does anyone know if this pic is official? If so, where is it from? The game?

Edit: Once again I can't get the image to work!

The PS Vita game. Don't know the context, though.

Kabaneri sold pretty well actually, even though it was bad.
I doubt they'll deviate from the manga in AoT either because it's one of the best selling anime in general, so they'll milk it.

So all the gushing made me decide to watch the latest Precure episode despite having missed the last 40 or so episodes. ...Pretty good, if a bit low budget. And super gay. Does the target audience not notice any of this?

The one good thing about heteronormativity?
You can make girls being explicitly gay with each other in a kid's show and no one realizes it.
Some of the girls watching probably do notice it, though, since a lot of today yuri artists had Precure as their inspiration when they were younger.

MahoGirls last episode was one of the most beautiful things I saw in my life.

The thing about Futaribeya is, while the author always visions the mains as being in a relationship, Editor-san comes in and said "Nope, please turn down the yuri."

I don't know if you have a source for that or it's just speculation. If you do read it somewhere, you probably misunderstood it, since it would be pretty unprofessional for Yukiko to say her editor asked her to make it not-yuri, since probably a big part of her fanbase are yuri fans. The editor might have asked her to tone down the yuri, but that would just mean that both recognize the work as yuri, but it's not a romance or drama story, so she shouldn't do yuri scenes unless it's relevant to the 4koma format. In the end, that's how it is. It's a slice of life manga, and the media isn't known for genre shift. In fact, a lot of japanese fans hate having their expectations betrayed.

Also, about yuri mangas not being able to full their potential in not yuri magazines, it's not true at all. Let's not forget that things like Bloom into You and AnoKiss are works in not yuri magazines, and they're more successful than most Yuri Hime series. It's a shame for Morinaga, but she was never popular in Japan. And as much as I love her stories, they're all too similar. Yuri Hime cancels a lot of series, too, so it's not like it would be different in a yuri magazine.

Fun fact about the cover to volume 2:

http://i.imgur.com/JoroJmK.jpg

Now they can't cancel the manga before the volume 4.
And if they ever do volume 5, they'll need to go until volume 8.

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There's also Rose of Versailles which kinda have implied yuri undertones between Oscar and Antoinette or Oscar and Rosalie but we know exactly how it ends.

Well, that one goes to the "end in het" that I mentioned.

Maybe the closest (implied) yuri works is Nanoha since it came out in 2004?

One of the first and it's a curious case. Its story shows how yuri subtext wasn't much of a deal then, since they clearly wanted Yuuno to be Nanoha's romantic interest. It was the fanbase and the seiyuus who formed NanoFate. Hell, they try to push Yuuno with Nanoha even in the end of Strikers, after baiting NanoFate so much. They even kill NanoFate in one drama cd, but the seiyuu retconned it later, saying the cd wasn't canon and Vivid finally ignored the cd entirely.
That makes me think that it was the fans who made the mahou shoujo genre to become so gay.

But a better example in 2004 would be MariMite ,that is the inspiration for a lot of yuri authors even today. And we have Mai Hime in 2005. Although it was more bait that fans again pushed to be canon.

Considering we have a lot of yuri author that came from non-yuri/bait-yuri influences, I wonder how yuri authors will be ten years from now, since we have a lot more influence nowadays.

Japanese seem to view it as a way for revolutionising anime fans to be more comfortable for two girls to be together sexually or not?

It's not a Japan x West thing. When Nakatani said she liked Hibike as yuri, a lot os japanese people sent messages to her saying Hibike wasn't yuri. On the other side, a lot os western fans still see it as yuri even though Reina clearly loves Taki.
It's yuri with Asuka to me...
Regardless, I do think that things like Precure help to normalize relationship between girls with romantic undertones. Some more than others. Look at MahoTsukai, for example. Riko and Mirai are shown as husband and wife on official art. Sure, people will just dismiss it as a cute joke, but I do think it might make that image more normal in their minds. Their relationship in the show itself it's pretty romantic, too.
Even more than that, I think they can be a good representation for homosexual girls who are saturated by just straight couples elsewhere. I mean, there's a reason why Precure is so popular between female yuri fans in Japan, after all.

Then there was Shuumatsu no Izetta which subtly presented its yuri without typically fetishizing it or being made light of. It seems both potrayals brought its own fair share of dissatisfaction by noth parties.

I think both Izetta and Flip Flappers were really well received by yuri fans in west. Most place I followed discussions about it, people were satisfied. There were some people who wanted more intimacy, but that's a rare thing in anime in general. FliFla's director already said the work is supposed to be yuri and thinking anything other than that for Izetta just makes no sense, too.

Honestly I don't see much difference in the amount of yuri in shows back in the days like sailor moon and shows now.

Now that's just wrong. Be it subtext or full yuri, there's way more of it now. At that time it was hard enough already to find yuri manga. Now, Yuri manga that didn't end with them dying or marrying a man was almost impossible. Give a tour for older yuri mangas in dynasty. You'll realize that the most you go back, the least yuri they become.
The first yuri related magazine came after 2000. Most yuri authors are really new and they were inspired by things like Sailor Moon and Utena in their infancy.
Sailor Moon and Utena were pretty much the only yuri you could find then (and Sailor Moon was only one couple), everything else was just fanservice. Sometimes maybe something like Yamibou, that would end in tragedy and het.
Even subtext was nearly zero, since shows without male lead were rare. And the ones that did exist would show the main girl going after some guy or lots of them.

But Oshiyama broke Yuniko's rule a little in ep7, where he decided Papito and Papiya to be girl(or, tomboy), but Kojima kind of drew them like boy.

It's not his fault, but there.
I remember the artist saying he wanted to draw them as boys, but the director asked to drawn them as feminine, though, so I'm not sure why he thinks that. Maybe he thought they were too masculine yet.

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So, aparently in a interview the FliFla's director said he learned with Yunico about what is ok or not in yuri. And he "broke" the rule when he asked for the Papika boys to be tomboys, but the artist made them looking like boys. (still look like tomboy, whatever)

So yeah, it was his intention to make it yuri, as if anyone would doubt it.