^Did you just assume those cats genders??
Kidding, this is diabetes inducingly sweet.

Is her partner an angel? Even if she was, there would still be no tag. lol

Ah yes, the red dog leash of fate. Never let her go Kase.

I think leftie is ready to go the whole 9 yards! (I dont know baseball)

And nobody was surprised. Business as usual XD

"Like usual" He knows what's up~

Jeannecest will never die. She is not just a tsundere, she is tsundere for her own purity. It's perfect.

Oh my gawd facepalms

Not Scottish enough.
But definitely French enough!

I can't see anything suggestive about this image at all.

Madoka cracked the code. This is the ultimate solution to writer's block!

^That seems to be how it is set up. Three months of drama and buiild up and then the choice. I don't mind either way, but I just feel narratively Iino is set up as the actual "intended" choice. Aka is a troll tho, so who knows? lol

And have I mentioned this petty grudge of yours is right tiresome?

I'm getting tired of your insistence that you are in any way special to me. I argue the same with you as I do with anyone else.

The relevant lines are on separate pages with no realistic possibility of confusion of order, as might be the case with 'creatively' placed frames and/or speech bubbles on a single page. Trying to argue authorial mix-up here is beyond ridiculous whatever one now might think of the overall quality of their worldbuilding.

Yeah yeah, except it isn't. Phrasing can very well be awkward or lead to misunderstandings, especially when you don't know the translation's accuracy. Even you should comprehend that the subject of the "after that" could be anything from the previous page. Now you are just stretching to be contrarian.

That's already considerably more concrete scaffolding that you have propping up your increasingly far-fetched premises though. Glass houses, living in, throwing rocks...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Not viable proof is no better than no proof, sorry.

The text only fails to contradict it by way of comically tortuous mental gymnastics and even more arbitrary assumptions.

Pot meet kettle.

There is a pretty fundamental difference between "already existed at the time" (as you claimed) and "invented sometime later" (as the narrative quite clearly states) actually, irrespective of how soon that "later" was. It's okay, I never expected you would deign to admit to simply being wrong or at least having misphrased the case anyway.

Why did I expect you to understand such simple context? In context, the difference is not relevant.

And here I thought you had no interest in it a priori. Decide already.

I already read your silly guesswork timeline before we even started this conversation.

Are you using words you don't understand again? Oh wait, you just alter the meaning of what I say to suit your persecution complex. Me saying that you should just link it to shorten the torture of your repetitive paragraphs does not mean I need that link myself or want to read it again.
You insist on keeping a non-existent audience up to date, so I gave you advice.

Isn't it ironic that you misunderstood a phrase I used, even though to me it was really obvious? That kinda proves how phrasing and intent can easily alter context.

EDIT: Yeah I think we are done with your stretching now. Nezchan is right.

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You're welcome to present your version. Until then argue in detail or shut up about it because flatly declaring "I disagree with you, that's all there is to it" is about as conversationally productive and behaviourally mature as putting fingers in your ears and yelling "I can't hear you".

But I can't hear you! This is text!

To make it short, I have no interest in creating a timeline with so little information. It's asinine. Discussing just one aspect of this grand tapestry seems to cause enough lit fuses for several paragraphs from you. I do not need to see the full salvo, thank you very much.

That's some woolly and arbitrary assumptions indeed to base an argument on. I have to ask - why are you giving the fictional people only vaguely sketched out in the narrative greater benefit of the doubt than the actual translators...?

I was actually refering to the author, not the teacher in the story.

Ahem. I do know because it's right there in plain text.

Oh you mean the vague "Yeah I guess its mostly the same even though I dont understand your history well enough"? From a high-school history textbook? Cute.

I am not opposed to that interpretation at all, but it isn't what you originally argued.

PS: The last man would not have had a lot of sex, because at that point they would already have come up with a way to reproduce among women.

So, yeah. The text of the narrative explicitly contradicts your original claim; revising your position in light of evidence is perfectly fine but please don't try to pretend you didn't do it.

Hence why I established that the text is not necessarily contradicting my statment at all, but it's okay. You can ignore my arguments, that's your right Mr. Gentleman.

Whether the solution was on the cusp of being realized or already being realized before the last man died is basically a miniscule difference, but I guess if you want to see it like that, I'll go back to my original assumption. They already found it. Satisfied? No, you never are.

I also write for the benefit of the audience that can be excused for not remembering or never having read in the first place a mini-essay nine pages back.

I sure hope there is no audience for this exchange. My sympathies to those who do read it.
Next time just post the link.

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Oh interesting. In all the phases they were together they are standing on the same ground and have clouds around them. But in that one phase where they tried to date guys the ground is split between them and there are no clouds.
By the end they are together again and in the clouds. Beautiful.

Here is the thing: it computes and trying to discuss an alternate history without at least a basic timeline of events essentially amounts to randomly pulling shit out of your ass while groping blind. You're welcome to work out an alternative ofc but I can't really see it coming down to anything dramatically different, given it largely derives from the biological realities of human lifespan and reproductive fertility.

No, you misunderstand. I do not care about your timeline. Not every timeline. Just yours.
Everything you wrote in that timeline is to paraphrase you "randomly pulled out of your ass". Based on your assumptions. Mine are different. That's all there is to it.

So anyway, the phrasing is a bit odd in those two pages. I don't necessarily think she meant that they developed that method after the last man died in 1920. The "after that" could also refer to the recognition of the virus' existence.

*le shrug* By far the single most obvious and natural interpretation of the teacher's lecture is taking it at a face value. I'm just going by what the author states in plain text about the setting, man.

Have you read the original Japanese version? Because all you are taking at face value is the translation. And even then, everyone is guilty of bad phrasing or coordination sometimes. Heck, some people like to go on and on about off-topic stuff. Can you imagine?

Of course they did, once people started noticing the phenomenom. But that'd have been circa mid-1800s or so when the relevant sciences were either at their infancy or didn't yet even exist and the kinds of tools needed to actually closely study, nevermind now manipulate, molecular biology were even worse off (or rather more specifically, over a century off in the future behind considerable advances in other fields). Throw in the diverse serious disturbances caused by the rapid aging and depletion of the suddenly unreplenishable male population (hithero the de facto ruling sex and more prosaically primary labour pool) and peoples' reactions to the whole business and we're talking about a truly daunting uphill struggle indeed.

1. There is no indication that this world's history was the same before the virus. Rather broad assumption there. Who knows how advanced technology was? You sure don't.
2. If you agree with me here (and I have to assume this when I cut down the fat), why are you opposed to my interpretation that they were well on their way for a breakthrough before the last man died? For someone who is obsessed with timelines, that is the much more likely timeframe, no?

As mentioned, "medical ethics" ought to have been out of the window a long time ago by that point. Probably safe to assume the tech got rushed out of the labs as soon as it was even vaguely functional and Devil take any side effects - they had survival of the species riding on restarting human reproduction ASAP after all. No doubt any number of medical horror stories occurred before the inevitable bugs were worked out by trial and error but eh, desperate times.

Thanks for the repeat. Really needed that. A simple "Yes, we agree" would have sufficed.

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@runrin
By that logic Hino was in "subspace" too in this page
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/hino_san_no_baka_ch07#10
The artist just likes to draw sexual excitement/embarrassment like that.

Though everyone already called Koguma an M by now.

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^No yuri pairing involving Kaguya is likely at all. Literally only Kaguya x Miyuki can happen. Thinking anything else is just weird.
Unless you meant Chika and Iino which, while still not gonna happen, at least has no direct competition (yet). And we all know Aka is homing in on that Iino x Ishigami ship.
(Erika is super gay tho)

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PS: The last man would not have had a lot of sex, because at that point they would already have come up with a way to reproduce among women.

Actually ch 1.1 is quite explicit that the breakthrough(s) allowing female-female reproduction postdated the death of the last known male H. sapiens sapiens. I elaborated a rough overall timeline of the whole business way back when, but short form here is that they must've been getting pretty desperate by that point as most of the female population would have been fast approaching (or was already past) menopause...

Here is the thing: I don't care about your timeline.

So anyway, the phrasing is a bit odd in those two pages. I don't necessarily think she meant that they developed that method after the last man died in 1920. The "after that" could also refer to the recognition of the virus' existence. Giving the author the benefit of the doubt here of course, because there is no way no research would have been done by the early symptoms of male population decreasing more and more for decades.

At least we agree that they must have been desperate. I don't even want to imagine that kind of pressure.

Oh boy.

This isn't a yuri manga anymore. We're watching a lesbian romance.

... Isn't that just yuri? Lesbian romance is also a kind of yuri.

Same thing.

I like how every chapter is tagged differently.

This is certainly an interesting use of the Lots of kissing tag.

What is this? Hino's schemes backfired?!
Ironically it happened the moment she requested to be on the receiving end instead of being the aggressor. On one hand this is certainly a step forward. On the other, Koguma is getting too powerful...

Why wouldn't there still be trans men, though? They wouldn't be any more helpful at sexual reproduction than anyone else, but straight women would probably still find them more attractive than cis women. And with the majority of people statistically being straight, the tiny minority that is trans would find themselves in quite a situation.

Transsexuality is as much a mental state as it is a societal construct. If the sex in question doesn't exist, then the brain cannot default to it. It would just be a woman that acts very masculine, but it's really no different from a tomboy in this kind of world. If women take both roles, do act in both ways, wear both kinds of clothes, then naturally a much more masculine subculture would automatically develope thanks to cultural reforming. Women have to take up predominantly male jobs (like construction work and other physical labor) and will eventually create new class systems.

In a more humorous light, maybe "butch" and "tomboys" will then be paid better and control the world and we got pseudo-patriarchy lol

Uhm... so yeah, trans men don't exist in this kind of world.

She was speaking Japanese, which as a matter of course omits information which cannot grammatically be omitted in English.

So you are saying the Japanese omitted Kano's name? Color me surprised if that was actually the case.

And, much like we're fascinated by dinosaurs or ancient civilizations, I'd say that, if heterosexual women could exist in such a world, they'd have to resort to the aforementioned remains of man to, er, "satisfy their needs" (need a better way to say this). That could explain why Marika was called a pervert in the earlier chapter, even...
So yeah, I got an excuse to type that in. Go nuts I guess.

Excuse me what? Did you just jump from "she is a bit weird" to necrophilia? Or do you mean she masturbated to photographs of men? I hope you meant the latter by "remains". Brrr....

PS: The last man would not have had a lot of sex, because at that point they would already have come up with a way to reproduce among women. And be aware that he is infertile. I mean he is the last, so at that point its a bit late.

Also, I see the author is actually aware of how likely the possibility of Marika accidentally importing the androcidal virus is.

If the virus actually lay dormant in the women 100 years later (I'm not too sure about that), then the swapping worlds thing would mean normal!Marika's world is already nearing the apocalypse right now. I kinda doubt the author would go for that.
It's more likely that the yuri!government kept samples of the virus to experiment on and could use it as a weapon against Normal!world.

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