In my opinion, people always over interpret the scene where Homura falls off the cliff. I mean, she is literally the most powerful being in the universe at that point. There is no way she could be hurt by that. I think it just signifies her being lonely while governing the universe, because Madoka isn't with her at those times since she stripped Madoka's powers (signified by Madoka's empty chair, which is next to her chair on the cliff.)

I strongly reject the interpretation that Homura could have died from that fall, or that it signifies her reaching a point of ultimate despair. She achieved what she wanted at that point (even if it's obviously bitter sweet for her), and is all powerful, so it doesn't make sense from either perspective (to me, at least.)

last edited at Feb 4, 2018 3:32PM

Has to be a deliberate troll on the translator's part. I can't fathom how the anyone would ever think that was a good way to translate that.

Alice Cheshire posted:

Nevri posted:

I think the main issue was "trying to see how being strangled by the one you love feels like" part.

Personally I don't think it's all that dark. They're just teenagers being teenagers. They're going to do some oddball things while finding themselves, that's to be expected.

I meant, I think that is the main issue for most people commenting here, that strangling someone you love seems a bit extreme and the fact they actually tried it out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_asphyxiation

It's a fetish. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

last edited at Jun 17, 2017 12:02AM

Yeah, I was off put from reading this 'cause of the Koromo x Touka tag, but it's actually a sweet family doujin. I agree the tag should be removed, this isn't yuri.

Yeah, I definitely agree this is one of the best ReiMari doujins. Probably the best in my opinion. I randomly think of scenes or lines from this doujin sometimes, and I can count on one hand the number of manga/doujins where that happens for me. It's also one of the few doujins I periodically re-read.

pg5 bottom panel "payed" should be "paid"

Nice upload.

Homura = justice.

Stupid, senseless porn. Meh to the max.

Someone we haven't been introduced yet :p

Spoiler tag it and tell all

Why are some people calling this story "edgy?" Its not pretentious, its not making some sort of point that could be considered edgy, its not graphic, its not really "dark," (its about dark subjects but told in a mostly lighthearted way.) So"edgy" doesn't really make sense to me as a criticism.

Btw, I didn't read this I just wanted to drop in and remind people of something. Higashiyama Shou is not a yuri mangaka. 90% of what he writes is het lolicon hentai. Prism is not representative of what he normally does. I don't know if you can expect more yuri from him in the future, but, in any case, its not good to assume that whatever he writes is going to be yuri or even yuri-ish... because its usually not going to be. Cheers.

As usual, the comments here are a disappointment to me. Especially comments to the effect of "this is the industry showing that it thinks yuri is silly!" A lot of yuri IS silly and unrealistic, in many ways. Though there are many exceptions (I pause here to make the holy "Sign of the Morishima"), a lot of yuri in no way reflects the actual lives, experiences, and relationships of women-loving women. That the creators of such types of yuri works do realize that, and can self-deprecatingly lampoon their own delusions, is a good and healthy thing.

I will admit that this premise might have been best left to a short serialization; five volumes of this is probably too much. On the other hand, there was clearly demand, and don't begrudge Kurata Uso or Yuri Hime for making the best of it. Doing so can only help the magazine to continue to produce "real" yuri, although I certainly personally can't escape the feeling that Kurata's great talents are going to waste here. His credentials as a great artist of genuine yuri works are, to my mind, beyond reproach.

Still, I found it funny, topical, and very self-aware. Keisuke is a very relatable figure in many ways, though in his youth and innocence he broke the cardinal rule: "Never bother women, especially by presenting yourself self-importantly as an ally." However, he realized his mistake, and hopefully will guide himself by it in future.

Pure truth all the way through.

This comment section is the biggest trainwreck I've ever seen on this site. What I've got out of it is that Uso Kurata, a great Yuri artist poking fun at himself and fanboyism in gerneral in a friendly way, is a self-hating, man-hating, cringe-worthy transgender super creepy stalker who objectifies women. Oh, and 4chan and Tumblr are bad and MEN ARE VICTIMS AND I AM PROUD TO BE A MAN. Have I covered everything?

Its a parody. Uso Kurata does not stalk women. Its an overblown parody of the way yuri fans (with the yuri glasses :P) read yuri into everything. The dude probably ships his food. I guess you can say its tasteless to joke about stalking but considering its both roasting the stalker and a freaking metaphor I have a hard time seeing it. And yes, the main character is construed as being a creep/loser. That's the joke. It's a (self-)roast. He's poking fun at himself. Its self-deprecating. Anyone who thinks this manga is somehow attacking male yuri fans or men in general has a victim complex the size of the moon. That is all.

about grown up women who like grown up women

Wat. Yukino isn't grown up, emotionally she is a whiny immature girl who runs away from her problems, be it physically, shifting blame on others, seeking affection from others or wallowing in self-pity. Her slowly growing up into an adult is the whole point of Octave.

lol what. That is an amazing harsh and judgmental thing to say, and I say that as someone who is normally pretty judgmental myself! Sure, Octave is about Yukino emerging into her own and she matures in many ways over the course of the series, but I would not even remotely describe her as "whiny." She gets chewed up and spit out by the entertainment industry as a teenager, just like a lot of people do in real life.

Predatory men creep on her as a teenager, she and her group are manipulated, she's alienated from her classmates, she's ostracized socially, bullied, and people call her a slut and start false rumors abut her because they're jealous and ignorant. She's preyed upon and used. She is emotionally scarred and starved for affection. At the beginning of the manga I wanted to reach out and hug the poor girl. She's needy and has some issues (understandably) but I don't remotely see her as "whiny" or "immature." She had a lot of harsh things happen to her and very few good things.

In fact, I don't see the story being about her maturing per se, but more about her emerging from her emotional shell and learning to love and trust. I'd also say its an adult story. It treats problems a lot of women have to deal with, primarily sexism and sexual harassment, in a way that I thought was frank, mature, and relatable. I would definitely describe it as an adult story about adult women.

last edited at Aug 30, 2015 11:13PM

SaxonSun's rant is dead on. Completely destroyed the story, allthough tbh I only blame myself for reading this series, since I have honestly never seen Kurogane Ken draw anything that wasn't psychotic immoral bullshit and also beyond lazy and phoned in. This was both, ofc (old lover shows up? Checkish... close enough. Have to seperate to focus on work/study? Check. Side characters who coicententally show up having the exact same problem as the main character/s? Check. Love rival who goes psycho? Checkaroony. + everything done in the most psycho disturbing way ever {cough Hina cough.})

That makes this sort of the quinestential Kurogane Ken story, right?

(P.S. Honestly, though, I feel like this. smh. So gullible on my part. The second I realized where I recognized the art from... I should have stopped reading. I got harshly punished for my stupdity. ._.)

OK, one more comment.

ALL THE THIS:

I wish people would stop throwing the words "autism" and "autistic" with out knowing what the **** it actually means SIGH.

This is where just our (meaning 'Muricah) lack of collectivism hinders us. I'll spare the details, but our closest friend is our lover. And if he/she isn't, then there's something broken or lacking in the relationship. I don't buy into Montaigne's theory that there is only one true friend for us though, so I think we can have multiple really close friends.

I don't understand what you're saying here, but I strongly disagree that your romantic partner shouldn't be your best friend. 'Cause in my experience it totally should. I think way too many people try to separate romance from friendship, like romance is this thing where you go buy flowers and go to movies, which to me doesn't seem like a very healthy attitude to sustain a longlasting relationship.

Your partner should also be your best friend IMO because if you're going to have a relationship last through the decades and possibly many hardships ("through sickness and in health...") you're going to need to be spending a lot of time together, and it might not all be peaches and roses.

Heck, in a serious relationship you'll live together (which is exactly as frightening as it sounds.) Sleep togther. See each other every morning and every night. So be damn sure you like the same things and like doing them together, because you are going to be spending more time together with them than anyone else, and like I said its not all going to be red roses and blue violets.

Relationships take comittment, and comittment isn't easy. It means putting that person ahead of everyone else, including yourself. Being there for them when they need you, whether its covenient for you or not. So pick well, and pick carefully, and my advice to anyone reading this is pick the person you're closest to, the person you like the best. 'Cause you're going to have to devote yourself to the.

So, to me at least, I can't envision being closer to a friend than to my girl.

Again though, I might be misunderstanding what you're saying. I really don't understand what you're trying to get at.

But with Madoka, it is INCREDIBLY difficult - so much so it's not even worth contemplating - to keep any of the Holy Sextet in character and ship them outside their respective 'canon' ships (with the exception of pre-Rebellion KyouMami and MadoSaya, which are really cute when I remember they are implied to be canon in earlier timelines)

I agree with this, and I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I was using this to point out how extreme his logic was, and that according to the absoluteness of his only-the-cannon counts type statements even pairings like KyoSaya and HomuMado that have tons of logic backing them up can still be considered as equally "degrading" as crack ships according to his flawed logic.

But If you keep the chracters 100% identical to the original series then nothing will happen that didn't happen in the original series, which again defeats the purpose of making a doujin in the first place. All doujins involve at least tweaking the cannon.

Well, I think you're missing the point a little here. Stories are an engagement with the audience, and if we don't fill in the gaps and the before n' afters, then we're failing as an audience. So doujins are just one of many extensions of them, as kind of a part of the Uses and Gratifications theory of media (basically, we go out and make our own media to satisfy our desires...I kind of agree with the idea there, but not the whole thing).

So doujins don't necessarily tweak canon so much as they simply express our take on the story at that given time in a given mindset. Of course we can fudge with the canon a bit, and that's fine, just so long as we don't detract from it

Again, we're basically saying the same things except you said it better here. All doujins require 'filling in the gaps' with ideas, content, and expansions not provided in the cannon. All I was pointing out was you can't have a doujin that doesn't expand on the cannon in some way.

As to the rest, OT[numbers] are just... the worst.

(P.S. Sorry the first part turning into a wall-o-text rant. :/ I don't know what got into me. Maybe this guy's obsesion with writing wall-o-text rants is contageious. :p ...I'll stop commenting now.)

On the other hand, he could just be a troll, in which case I put waaaay too much thought into this. :p

On the third hand, just don't read doujinshi/fanfics/whatever depicting couples you don't like. It's seriously that easy.

I don't, I just meant on a philosophical level. :p

But regarding respecting other people's opinions (boo, boo):

Curse your Vulcan logic!

Well, I couldn't possibly be more against OT[number]s anyways, and I think his point about respecting characters applies equally well to crack pairings and OT[number]s (the second paragraph from the bottom is pretty much pure truth, as far as I'm concerned.)

The part that reeked of crazy to me was the whole 'if it didn't happen in cannon it doesn't count' part, which is ridiculous on the face of it because all doujins exist to portay things that didn't happen in the cannon. There would be no point, otherwise.

I get the desire to keep things in character, but none of the characters explicitly had a romantic relationship in the orginal series, so I don't see why Homura x Kyoko is 'less valid' than or 'degrading' compared to Homura x Madoka or Kyoko x Sayaka (assuming you keep things in character, in which case all that is explicitly portrayed in the original is a strong friendship between Homura and Madoka and Kyoko and Sayaka.)

In the closing paragraph he seems to simply be arguing there's more evidence for HomuMado and KyoSaya (which I don't think anyone is disputing), which seems to be an extension of what overall seems to be an argument to keep things in character (again, I get that.) But If you keep the chracters 100% identical to the original series then nothing will happen that didn't happen in the original series, which again defeats the purpose of making a doujin in the first place. All doujins involve at least tweaking the cannon.

Tl;dr: a few good points wrapped in a lot of crazy, as far as I'm concerned.

On the other hand, he could just be a troll, in which case I put waaaay too much thought into this. :p

Eh, I feel pretty passionately about the pairings I support so having read it I don't think it was that crazy. :P Some parts of it were loopy but I think there was a little truth there as well.

Thanks, y'all.

As an aside, is it just me or do these strange issues seem to crop up with KyoSaya doujins for some reason (the last one was an english language doujin maker a few months ago who asked for stuff to be taken down for an odd reason IIRC, and I don't think that was the first.)

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(It's a conspiracy, I tell you!)

Sounds like the moderators are making a good decision here.

.

Regarding the help, my first assumption is that you want us to post in the respective threads, but not all of them had threads yet... so I'll just post this here. :P

Can I download We're Friends This Much, Always With You, and I Want To Kiss Miki Sayaka?

Edit: Well, add Sweet&Spicy*Summer and Counter Attack of The Red Girl to that list. >_>

last edited at Mar 17, 2015 1:26AM

"I've fallen in love haven't I?"
:D

next page

"with this odd little universe..."
:|

The chapter title is "She's Stupid, and I Love Her!" That's definitely not referring to the universe! :D

Plus, I think the part in the chapter you're referring to can be interpreted either way. The sentence and the continuation on the page after that can be interpreted as independent:

"With this odd little universe, where there's nothing to think about but myself, my opponent, and my blade... the one who gave my something to stake... was Hitsugi.

That stands on its own. Now look at it all together:

[I decided] I would always come running straight to her. That I would always be by her side. But... at any rate, this person I've found myself joined with... is absolutely the highest grade idiot there is [referencing the title.] And above all else, this sword I hold... was given to me by the greatest person in the world. Well... I guess that goes for me to. I've fallen in love, haven't I? With this odd little universe, where there's nothing to think about but myself, my opponent, and my blade. The one who gave my something to stake... was Hitsugi.

I interpret the last two sentences as being independent. I.e. she's saying in this odd little universe it's Hitsugi who gave her something to fight for, and that's independent of her saying she's fallen in love.

This interpretation is backed by the title, too. :D

^^^^^^^^^^

Come on Hitsugi. >>