Literature is literature and is always up for constructive criticism.

Too bad there isn't all that much of that. We have opinions that are neither explained or even well thought out. And we have people -- including you -- using this story as an excuse to get on a soap box about their personal beliefs regarding ages of consent and will-somebody-think-of-the-children and hiding it under the fig leaf of criticism. Probably because they don't get enough visits if they post their diatribes on their tumblr blogs instead.

I don't care what anyone thinks, and is shown in sexual situations I consider that child pornography

Good, then I won't offend you when I say you are an idiot and disgusting for equating the scribbles in a Japanese porn comic about the consensual relationship between fictional characters with real-life documented rape on actual children.

but this is so bad because...
the kiss with the other girl really looks like a KISS based on...

Is this really so difficult? You should've learned this in middle school. If you cannot be bothered to formulate a basic criticism then maybe dial it down with the wannabe literary critic routine people have going here, yes? Not much effort, indeed.

I honestly can't see the teacher truly liking the girl

The story disagrees with you. Which is a major theme in the rest of your post.

Of course these kind of things a totally ordinary
http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/in_the_rain_and_cold#1
It was just a peek on the cheek ? Of course ! What was i thinking ? Aren't I dumb ?

Was that some sad attempt at sarcasm? The way their faces are angled, yes, it might very well just been a peck on the cheek. We don't see who initiated it, we don't see where she's kissed and we don't see whether she kisses back. All we have is her word for it and the fact that, aside from that one panel, the only one she shows interest in is the protagonist.

Even without the loli thing, the teacher is clearly a jerk ._.

Clearly. She is also an elvish princess from Mars, because hey, if you ignore major story points and make up stuff to justify your own preconceptions, you might as well go all the way.

Boring and predictable as fuck. Women with commitment issues because of a previous lover and the resulting angst in their partner is only in just about every third (lesbian) romance ever.

But hey, adults, suddenly I love every trite cliché in it I would've bitched about otherwise, even though it would've made fuck-all difference with high school girls! \o/
At least that's the impression I get from the comments.

Nice art though, thanks.

well that escalated quickly o.O lol

Exactly what i was thinking
even most porn takes more time to get things done

No it doesn't. Kudos for adding a dumb hyperbole to the pointless "that was too fast/escalated quickly durr" boilerplate comment that makes it way into the comments of every nsfw story so inevitably, it might be a meme at this point.

Good to see this alive and well again

I would've liked a little bit more character depth first.

In the first chapter of seven...
Everyone's a critic.

Heck a little bit more on the confession would've been nice

And completely besides the point when it's an established relationship and the whole point of that setup was to show that she didn't have any second thoughts when she accepted. You don't need a fasuto kissu cookie cutter template in every goddamn story to be satisfied.

if you are going to say the same thing

Doesn't stop you from being redundant and useless.

hey look, its mister buzzkill! we have prepared the special rage corner for you over here~

I'd ask you where I was raging or how that verbal diarrhea is addressing my point in any way. But I noticed before that you are just dumping every stupid thought in your head here like it's your personal tumblr, so I already know the answer. There there kiddo, have a pat on the head.

Yay! I think chapter 3 made my day. also, best line thus far: http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/inugami_san_and_nekoyama_san_ch03#7 (bottom left panel). the Pimp hand riseth bay-beee!!!!!

It's also completely made up. Always lovely when translators include slang bullshit because they think they're funny.

Yuri is moving forward which is why i get annoyed when i see plot elements from 90's yuri find their way into modern yuri

What? Lesbians that either die or marry a guy? You'd be lucky to have a series like this, generic shoujo tripe it may be, in the 90s. Yuri scholar my ass.

I'm not a fan of citrus, far from it, but I gotta ask the detractors here: It's chapter 9. Do you suck at pattern recognition this much not to figure out what this series is all about until now or are you just trying to make yourself look smarter by repeatedly pointing out the obvious? Because it's not working.

Yeah is kind of bothersome the way a lot of yuri mangas end just when things are getting good.

Irritating in my case, those endings usually makes me completely trash my opinion on whatever it is that I read.

You have to remember that the magazine this ran in was cancelled and the author went out of his way to tie up all the loose ends and still provide a satisfying end with the special. Who knows how many volumes this would've had otherwise.

We still didn't find any signs of yuri.

Girl obviously crushing on her female best friend = no yuri. Uh huh. No, I don't care for your personal definition of the word.

downgrades my opinion of an author when i see it used :/

Because of anecdotal evidence you collected in NW Bumblefuck, USA? Yeah, I'm sure that's an accurate assessment of how 300 million people behave and justifies judging an author's writing when you yourself can't even manage proper capitalization. Grow up.

Regardless of what the term shoujo ai may have meant at one point the internet now uses it as a word to describe exactly what he meant. Get with the times man.

"The Internet" is not an entity. This is just another way of saying "This imaginary group of people I conjured up and is totally the majority here agrees with me, so I'm right." I'm surprised you didn't pull percentage numbers from the air.

And you got it backwards. Shoujo-ai isn't a new term that got popular, it's an old term that is still around because people who don't know better and some "it's always been that way here" stuck in the past idiots at manga updates refuse to let it go. Like some people still use negro, to keep with your badly written analogy.

Girls School are a familiar yuri setting. Duh. And this needs to be mentioned in every other post why? Oh look, the sky is blue. Major breakthrough there.

Is this the smug superiority hour? Ohhh, that's sooooo cliché, I'm such a sophisticated, erudite individual because I can recognize the most recurring trope in the genre, give me a fucking break.

Is it simply because of the setting, or what?

Apparently the fact that most of these take place in Girl's Schools went by unnoticed until now, because the story isn't clichéd at all. Or it's some game where you are getting banned for not using the word cliché in every post like a parrot with limited vocabulary.

Well that was freaking sad. Even though they made up in the end, I still feel anxious about their relationship's future o.o;

They are fictional, their relationship has no future except for what your imagination conjures up. Which makes the fact that you immediately jump on a bad end freaking sad indeed. That actually is a very cliché thing for a yuri fan to do though.

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I don't know all the clause of a restraining order in Japan but this possibly could of been a breach. Not too sure though, because he didn't contact with any of his devices.

They staged it to look like he was filmed with a hidden camera without his knowledge. He's pretty safe.

Sigh. Missed the point by a mile.

If that had been all we got, this wouldn't warrant 3 pages of comments.

On this forum.

a mangaka could very well write a Yuri tankoubon and have a one shot where btw, this one story has a Yuri character falling for a straight girl

Sure, if that's how the story was conceived. That wasn't the case here though, I think you missed my point. The original story, as published in the magazine, ended here: http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/lip_service_woman_and_the_impregnable_maiden#22

If that had been all we got, this wouldn't warrant 3 pages of comments. Girl tries to get her feelings across, succeeds, other girl shows promise, story done.

The last 4 pages are a bonus in the tankoubon collection of this author's yuri oneshots. Even disregarding all the other points, attaching an implied bad end as a reader bonus for a story that originally ended on a more hopeful note is such an immensely stupid thing for an author to do I refuse to believe that was ever the intention in the first place.

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Talvalis, you are projecting. better yet, that is your perception

Perception is a nice word, because my interpretation is founded on what you can actually see in the story. Manga is a visual medium, you cannot ignore visual cues.

1. Just because a story ends up in a Yuri/Lolicon publication does not mean that the all characters will play to that genre.

Yes, it kinda does. Now, you can subvert a genre, you can deconstruct it, you can have a bad end. But that isn't done off-panel. If the last panel in a yaoi story published in a yaoi anthology is two guys looking at the sunset, the implication isn't that they will start dating women and be bros4life. Unless you are a yuri fan obviously, because in their mindset, if you cannot see the Enterprise safely parked in space dock after warping away at the end of an episode, it obviously got eaten by a space dragon mid-flight. A straight, male space dragon.

Well good for Koyuki, however if we project real life on this situation

This isn't real life, it's fiction. Fiction uses tropes and symmetry. Her first game of wait-and-see, 'wasted energy and effort' wasn't endless or futile and this one won't be either. That makes immensely more sense to me as a story structure then "Oh hey, as a special treat for all my readers who went out and bought my yuri tankoubon in addition to the magazine, I've added a few pages that turns a hopeful good end into a she's-totally-straight bad one. You're welcome!"

What the fuck happened to Morinaga Milk to make them write something like this?

This is 10 years old. This was long before Kisses and Girl Friends, when she was still doing mostly doujins and hentai. What happened is that she mellowed out and made enough of a name so she doesn't have to cater to the fetish of the week.

Being an insensitive jerk really doesn't start you on a good foot in any way.

Well yeah, that's kind of the point. He has to make a bad first impression. First it will be "why is she hanging around that jerk" and then it'll shift too "he isn't so bad after all, but I still want her for myself." Same goes for the reader and who they're rooting for. Not unusual in a love triangle.

maybe, maybe not. remember, she was blushing when the guy confessed to her as well.

Yes, she is flustered. Being confessed to by a random stranger in the middle of the street will do that. Compare that blush to the others, the difference in intensity is significant.

Also look at Matsuri's character here. She is established as cocky, snarky and she had no problem reproaching Koyuki before. If she is indeed straight, she is either a raging, disgusted homophobe - which, considering the author's past works and the magazine this ran in, is about as likely as her being half dinosaur - or she would have flat-out rejected her, even if it hurt her friend. The only scenario where this shrinking violet routine is not completely out of character is "I'm struggling with emotions I didn't expect from that direction" kind of inner turmoil.

And Koyuki's main established character trait is that she's stubborn. The entire story is about a girl who didn't give up getting her feelings across even after failing 70+ times and succeeded at end. The implication here is that she will now try to get the girl "for a while" and finally accomplish that as well.

Oh boy, yuri fans and their stupid paranoid victimization routine. Whenever there's any ambiguity about a character's sexual orientation, she must be straight. Whenever a guy shows up for 2 panels, it's going to be het. Whenever the ending is left open, it's BAD END.

There's nothing to indicate that girl's straight. The massive blush and hyper-awareness at the end hints at the exact opposite. And it's a oneshot. Finishing the story in your head however you like is kind of the point of a lot of them.