Yes I am Citrus-traumatized.

See? Even you are suffering the consequences!

You do know that she is comparing YagaKimi to Citrus right now, right? lol

I for one would be completely fine if this stayed on a kissing basis (on-screen) and we'll be left knowing their relationship will keep going strong. The rest is a given, so it's not really necessary to show.

EDIT: If there is anything I'd really want to see in these last 4 chapters it's something that you don't see much in these grounded stories. Dealing with the family and the future.

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Oh... I quite literally forgot that this was about how they got into the cave. Makes sense I suppose. Poor Lily.

That "boundary crossing" folklore is really blatant. And then the author has the gall to tease us with the red herring line. Now I can't decide whether he will actually be that predictable or is actually gonna red herring it...

Kase doesn't have to worry about infecting Yamada, her bacteria doesn't work on plants!
God, I love these two useless girls. MIkawa too for not giving a single f*ck.

The Tomoka-chan+Kiss combo was deadlier than the legendary Kase-san kick. Yui has been working hard on expressing herself more while trying to become an adult. Her worries about a rival are of course unecessary, but at least she didn't jump to conclusions right away.

Dat final Kasedon tho.

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@Serenata For what it's worth, I interpreted it the same way.

I’m not gonna say no crossdressing guy has ever had issues with body image because that’d be utterly unfair, but what crossdressers don’t experience is gender dysphoria as a result of how they’re pressured to present in the world. What Nekomiya describes in her original claim is absolutely a “trans narrative”, only furthered by the protagonist’s “I don’t date dudes” dismissal and grotesque obsession with her genitals.

Again, she may be cis, but nothing she says in the manga suggests boyhood (I understand the author is trying for that gender confusion schtick, but honestly fuck the author).

Right, Nekomiya did say "I felt like I was born in the wrong body", which is certainly more trans leaning. It's still kept vague on purpose though.
Uh... "I don't date guys" and wanting to know whether that person in front of him has a dick would also be applicable if Nekomiya was just a crossdresser. I really don't get why some people here get seriously upset over that part anyway. It's natural for straight people not to be attracted to the same sex even if they are the opposite gender. It's not a fair position to be in for either side. If you like girls (usually) you wouldn't be sexually attracted if they had male genitals and beards etc. If you are into men you won't be looking for a vagina or breasts. Those are just physiological facts.

Not saying those can't be overcome, but it's rare.

Speaking of releases, that bonus chapter better come out alongside the new chapter! Dynasty is always a bit behind on this stuff, but it's been a month haha...! M&M cannot be contained

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Nah, I'm not getting sucked into an argument with you it's a complete waste of energy.

Why thanks for saving me the time.

Yikes. First we have the whole "Impish, trickster trap" archetype going on which is pretty blatantly rooted in cis dudes' perception of trans women as trying to deceive them into being attracted to a man and is transphobic as fuck then we have its fun partner of "cis people being creepily obsessed with trans people's genitals" which really doesn't work as a comedy trope when it's completely true to life to how cis people treat us.

You might be taking this way too personally... First of all Nekomiya might as well be a cis girl. You can't disprove that.
Second of all, the guy was already in love with Nekomiya before she/he revealed that "he" is a "guy", so where exactly is the deception coming from to trick him into liking Nekomiya? If Nekomiya had said nothing he/she would have gotten to that end goal quicker.

So which is it, a trope or just depiction of reality? Can't have both.
It makes sense for a non-trans person to care about that, but it was still portrayed in an over-the-top way, which is where the humor comes from.

I mean, Nekomiya provides a total of two (2) front-facing possibilities: that she’s a cis girl fucking with you for kicks, or that she’s a trans girl fucking with you because she’s scared. The cross-dressing “option” is just solipsism on the part of the protagonist and misapprehension on the part of the author.

Oh, so you know the character's motivations better than the character? Brilliant!
There are crossdressers/men in drag that aren't trans. Nekomiya's "backstory" (we dont even know if that's even true) can be interpreted as a closeted trans girl, but at the same time nothing refutes the possibility that it's really a he who just enjoys crossdressing. Freedom to wear what one likes has always been something some men wished for.

We have to remember that the MC knew almost nothing about Nekomiya and that Nekomiya was also apparently a loner. So if he is a boy that could be something nobody at the school knows about. Outright refusing the possibility is just wrong.

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Tbh the lazy/half-assed conflation of transness, cross-dressing, and drag is intensely frustrating. If you’re gonna write about queerness maybe do the work of reading, like, a single wiki summary.

But wasn't that the entire point of the story? Nekomiya-san is a mystery. You don't know whether he/she is a trans girl, a crossdressing guy, a girl who likes to mess with people or something entirely else. Can't really be any conflation when there is no definitive answer.

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Also, I don't entirely agree with BugDevil. Again, if by "passionate" , you guys mean being rather lewd, Touko has been shown to be pretty horny many times, and not just out of coping or distress. Chapter 9 "Do you want to listen?" , chapter 16 and chapter 20 are the first to come to mind as examples.
Then again, I am not sure if we all mean the same so maybe my comments aren't particularly appropiate.

I do acknowledge that my viewpoint may be slightly skewed, but let me explain it as best as I can.

Context matters.
Chapter 9: She was nervous and shy. Far from passionate. Unless we define passion as being excited...
Chapter 16: Actually one of the prime examples of Touko being frustrated and coping. She has been holding back from being affectionate with Yuu for a while and wanted to be rewarded with something she should not ask for due to their agreement. In a way she was not satisfied with their arrangement, despite enforcing it herself. This frustration culminated in the french kiss.
Chapter 20: Staring at Yuu doesn't matter. The part where they all slept in the same room and were glad they were three people so they wouldnt do something foolish is probably the only naturally passionate thing there.

Now look at moments like the one in chapter 28... Touko is confused, frustrated and emotionally unstable because her worldview got challenged and she doesn't know what to do anymore, so she aggressively asks for a kiss and wants to drown that stuff out with her anchor... Yuu. And that is what Yuu has always been until the play. An outlet.

That is of course oversimplifying it, but my point stands, Touko has never been overly passionate outside of choice moments and often those are an emotional reaction to circumstance. Both Touko and Yuu (more out of necessity) have been very subdued and balanced in their show of affection. A Touko that isn't insecure about Yuu leaving her or being loved would not have the need to be overly aggressive or passionate. This is the fluffy, floaty love that they have always sought.

Which doesn't mean they won't be getting to a point where they tongue wrestle in Yuu's bed again or do other outrageous things like intertwining both sweaty hands at the same time. I just never perceived their relationship as excessively dramatic and passionate.

There sure have been a lot of yaoi, transgender and crossdressing works recently...
Well this was really hilarious. Wouldn't mind seeing more from this author.

I don't know if this is a minority opinion, but I never perceived Touko is particularily... passionate about her love. She was always more the puppydog love type of girl? The few times she was pouncing Yuu were rather out of frustration and a need to cope. Typically these two are pretty collected.

Or she knew Amane wouldn't get over Nene.

There is that possibility yes.

If this was a K-drama this plotline would be very clear. Senpai caused the break-up, but knew her crush would not be able to move on (after all senpai caused it by making Nene reject Amane). For the next step of her evil master plan she will try to make Amane disillusioned with/hate Nene (perhaps via the situation with Kou). Then when Amane is truly at rock bottom, she can finally make her move.

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I also wonder how come Hayama-sempai didn't make a move on Amane at the time of her breakup. From what we know, a dejected Amane went to her for comfort... it was the perfect time to catch her on the rebound... Perhaps Hayama is not as sleazy a character as we imagine her to be?

Or she knew Amane wouldn't get over Nene.

Isn’t that the strangest part about this series? The stage play was a metastory about the story, but the story itself is just like a stage play.

There is something beautiful in a choreographed dance that was never choreographed.

^So this is more about the "stage play" aspect of the manga? That, in a way, everything is framed very much like a play with all the depth and symbolism, purely intentional?
I can at the very least see why the more easy-going slice-of-life approach of the chapter rather than drama could invoke that feeling.

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Kou-chan certainly needs to ask about it soon; whether she will get a straight answer (from anyone) remains to be seen.

There can be nothing straight about this situation.

Sakurako could never be swayed. Although having someone try to take Saku away could create an interesting possessive reaction from Kasumi... Ah well, Yukiko doesn't usually stoop to such developments.

Oh wow, I've read this up to chapter 13 or something and forgot about it for years. It's actually this far already, huh? And of course on permanent hiatus, this is Namori after all.

Hm, now that I read it all in one go, I believe Nadeshiko's secret gf is Ai. Her reactions are the most suspicious for someone who is portrayed the least direct. I could probably write an entire analyses on this, but what's the point if it never continues? lol

I'd say this needs more SakuHima, but the main series had tons of that.

I find it really surprising that so many people like Amane. I think she's incredibly annoying. She's short-sighted, narrow-minded, and embodies an anime archetype I despise. The short, pig-tailed, cutesy girl with lots of energy and an inferiority complex. I've seen her a thousand times and I never like her any more than I did the last time. She's stuck in the past and I don't want her getting back with Nene. She needs to learn to face reality and respect the feelings of others. But she's so loud and selfish that she only sees what she wants to. I can't stand her. Chapter 5 is easily the worst so far.

She isn't short. Like of all the high-school characters she is the same average height. Kou is far smaller than her. So I have to wonder where you even got that from?
Inferiority complex? I'd like to see you justify that one as well please. The only one we could reasonably attribute a inferiority complex to right now is Nene.

While it's absolutely clear that her inability to move on is unhealthy, you have to admit that Nene is not exactly doing a good job of moving on either. The way she throws herself at Kou like that is incredibly suspicious.

Anyway, it's your opinion, but I still think you're being ridiculous.

@Aniale
I think Touko and Yuu have fought long and hard enough to finally free themselves of that "nuance". Because all the nuance amounted to was ambiguity and doubt. This is the victory lap so to speak, so we should just cheer for them and smile.

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^....just how strong do you people think Kako is? Have you never pushed your hand against a window? They usually don't explode into shards on mere contact.

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I don't think this is an armament Haki reference. Look at the electric shock in the air. I think she just really bruised her leg and it hurts. Usually that type of Haki makes a thick universal layer too, not something like this.

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So Namori can write direct yuri after all.
But the hiatuses are as bad as ever.