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KatzeDerNacht
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This is exactly what I hoped all this was leading to. It's pretty sad but that's what it is. Hiroko doesn't want to date Ayaka whether she knows she loves her or not.
Of course I don't think in Japan you can be out at a company like that lol so it's a bit self explanatory that they wouldn't be out if they dated so idk it felt a bit like a dumb excuse. The age gap thing with her being her superior on top seems way more of an issue and I'm a bit disappointed she didn't mention it to Ayaka but maybe that would've been a bit too devastating. The rejection was very sound though and realistic. I think that's one of the most realistic stories I've read in this regard, except probably Octave and some other I'm forgetting.
I don't know how Hiroko can plausibly change her mind now though. I mean Hiroko doesn't really like Ayaka, does she? She only finds her hot or cute? At least it seems like it. Maybe she'll magically realize she likes her lol... idk
About Risa, it'd be fine to have her and Ayaka end up together as a twist if she had more "screen time" but as it stands she doesn't have a lot of depth to her imho. Sure, she's great but it's like she barely has any flaws and the only thing we know about her is that she's nice and likes Ayaka. I don't think from a storytelling point of view it would make sense because of the character arcs... unlesssss somehow Hiroko and Ayaka dated and broke up, Ayaka realizing Hiroko isn't the one for her and Hiroko realizing she can be proud of who she loves despite the break up? Is that what you all want? Gosh XD idk, I like Hiroko. She's terrible but I can see the appeal lol. She's emotionally repressed and needs to be taken care of lol. Toxic attraction pattern? Yes. That's the best story lol.

HEY, I'd love that, they dating, then breaking up, then Hiroko being proud of herself and then Ayaka finding love with a college lady or something, yesssss!! But I doubt it'll happen. I also don't dislike Hiroko, plenty of people can be that way.

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I really don't think Ayaka won't end up with Hiroko because...it's in the title, but maybe someone will appear and Risa can have another shot at love!

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She's made comments about it and characters have hinted at it a lot but now she's said it clearly for Ayaka. She really has just decided to remain closeted at work, for obvious reasons and believes (wrongly, I think) that she can't make Ayaka truly happy as a result. She rejected Ayaka nicely, but not fully, since she actually does like her. Plenty of people unfortunately have to navigate decisions like that when in historically hostile or precarious environments. It's perfectly understandable that she wouldn't trust Ayaka's ability to keep her secret (gay or not) and honestly it's not out of the realm of possibility that Ayaka will still "out her" accidently, even now. She's taking a personal and potentially professional risk, as Ayaka's pretty loud and obvious. It's unfortunate that Ayaka met Hiroko at work because it's clear they would be fine if Ayaka weren't a coworker (or if Japanese, or any, corporate environments didn't breed distrust).

It was a circumstantial rejection, which Ayaka can come back from. Now if she decides to, Ayaka can better strategize about how to work with or around Hiroko's cautious office demeanor or how to maybe persuade Hiroko to loosen those cautious rules a bit. Hiroko clearly likes her a lot so it might not be as difficult as it seems right now. Ayaka will have a lot to think about.

I did like Risa's force here though. She's putting in the work but she's honestly in the same (but worse) position as Ayaka. At least for Ayaka, Hiroko's issues are only work related. For Risa, Ayaka just isn't romantically interested at all and there's not much coming back from that.

This was well written in my opinion, but I don't think Ayaka would have to wait around for Hiroko, nor did she ask her that, I know, but me personally wouldn't be happy dating someone in the closet, I know there are different circumstances in life, but being out since I was 14, I just can't. I'd like a third person to appear, I would say Risa but Ayaka doesn't seem to like her, I just don't feel Hiroko and Ayaka are a good pair now and I hope Ayaka won't insist on it, chasing someone can get really tiresome.

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Wow...Hiroko behaved like a mature person I think! She even admits she couldn't proudly be a lesbian...I loved this last chapter, it even felt like..real life? Like something someone would actually say...so ,she is cheering for Risa, right? But you can't force feelings, but then again Ayaka barely knew Hiroko...I hope she gives it a try with someone who at least can say she loves her openly! Yaaaay I loved this one!!! No magical nonsensical change of attitude!!

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Oh boy another yuri manga jam-packed with drama where all the characters are pos. Can't wait for the inevitable anime adaption lol

Shall I be so lucky!! I'd love to watch this shitshow in anime version.

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MY favorite shitshow is back! Well, I am LOVING reading this proper translation on here, oh yeah Miss Yuni totally not being attracted to Fuuko. My ass.

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The order of uploading has me a bit confused. It went from 9 to 16 and 17 and now they uploaded 10? And there's even a extra 15,5 somewhere in the middle?

Is this a conscious choice by the uploaders, or did they hit a snag? Am I missing something?

This is the best translation that is out there!! I am not sure about why the order is like this, but enjoy it!

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I wonder if they can bring in a third ,someone who likes Ayaka (blondie? and ride off into the sunset with her. Being realistic, I think it'll end with Hiroko and Ayaka, otherwise the whole title and premise would be pointless...

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Good lords and ladies, I genuinely got upset reading this last chapter, meh blondie might as well try dating the other co-worker and forget about senpai.

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I've been reading somewhere else, I am glad it's here, but I still don't understand, is the MC older boss babe lady person not into sex but keeps doing it until she finds a good partner?

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Hummm, I still see no horror, I mean, content for horror tag, maybe in future chapters, but I am liking the development so far,I think.

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This is so cute and wholesome....but it's going so slooooooow, I want someone to confess and a kiss!!! Gorgeous art,nice job translating this one, thank you so much

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Huh, that was the worst cross dressing ever. I mean, anyway, I love this villainess stuff, when it's yuri, so yay!!!

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Yay, an instant favorite!

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I feel like most of the people in this comment section either skimmed through the manga or just skipped straight to the latest chapter.
Yes, they have sex. Yuni thinks about three distinct times they did it, literally in chapter 2.

You're talking about page 20, right? when Fuuko asks Yuni about sex with Nanase, and Yuni pictures herself and Nanase having sex during 3 panels.
I always thought it was a fantasy. Like Yuni went "Eh? Me and Nanase, have sex?" and then imagined for a few seconds what it would be like. But let's assume I'm wrong and it was a memory.
It doesn't look at all like she's thinking about three distinct times; more like it's a sequence of 3 scenes of the same roll in the hay. And it's certainly a memory from a while ago (since Yuni has been frustrated for some time when the manga starts) and we know for a fact that in the following 4 or 5 months nothing at all happens between Yuni and Nanase. So even if that part in page 20 was a memory and not a fantasy, it means they've had sex once (prolly when they became a couple) and then zilch for half a year. The case about Nanase having no real interest in Yuni's body still stands strong.

You guys should probably catch up with the missing chapters 10 to 15 on mangadex, because i really feel like most people here are talking without having read the entire manga lmao

Chapters 10 to 15 are clearly a big development arc in the manga. It starts with Yuni and Fuuko bonking at the Osaka hotel (btw a sex encounter totally initiated by Yuni). Then the story goes through many important moments between different characters (my favorite is when Yuni starts crying in Fuuko's arms, complaining about Nanase, and finishes with the words "I hate that bitch...") and it all leads to the final scene in chapter 15, the climactic stairs scene. In this scene Fuuko for the first time plays hardball with Yuni and talks about stopping their affair; Yuni panics and realizes she has come to need Fuuko so much she can't stand the idea of not having her; and then, as Yuni kisses Fuuko, Nanase discovers them.

I agree these are very important chapters both for the plot and the characters' development. But I'm not sure if any of this adds any data to the matter of Nanase's interest in sex with Yuni?

Yeah they've had sex, the thing is, if Nanase can't make time to go on a regular date, make a phone call or reply on text, how could she make time to do the doobla dooba doo?? Even if she wanted to, maybe when they did have sex she was picturing Yuni as a volleyball ball.

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Nana half assed the relationship. Yuni half assed handling that problem.
Fuuko is the only one going full ass here. She's using them both to get that season ticket for the emotional rollercoaster ride at the italian soap opera theme park. Best character, even if it doesn't say much.

THIS is best comment so far, legit, well that and that French lady.

Also, what in the world is "absurd boobs"??? The non monogamous person said that, like wtf? how are boobs absurd??? xD

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Also, what I noticed is that the main gripe people have about Yuni is that she never tried to communicate her "loneliness" to Nanase. And so, it's also her fault if she's been neglected. Commnunication, blah, blah blah...

But people are judging this from a western point of view, where people are used to be told to lay things on the table and discuss the issues.

The way Japanese people interact is different and one of the things I noticed is that they dislike direct confrontation, or criticizing others directly. There's this whole cultural thing about "reading the room" or "disturbing the harmony" that prevents direct communication and expects people to take hints on what others are thinking and avoid making a fuss or putting others in a difficult position. Not to say that some Japanese people don't do it, but it's considered rude.

The whole situation stems from the fact Nanase's unable to read and respond to Yuni's emotions and needs, and for that reason, their relationship's falling apart. And the fact Yuni doesn't confront her is because IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU DO EASILY IN THEIR CULTURE. There needs to be a real crisis for them to speak their mind, like in the latest chapter. Yuni's at the end of her rope. She loves Nanase, but she finds in Fuuko everything she lacking in her own relationship and she's at an impasse.

On the other hand, Fuuko's really good at it. She can read Yuni and Nanase easily. She can navigate the whole thing without a hitch, so she's able to poke holes in the relationship easily.

Anyway, my point is, trying to judge these characters' behavior from a western point of view is completely different than how Japanese readers perceive it. Even they think "cheating is bad" of course, but to them, the whole situation doesn't seem as implausible or as "easily solved" as some readers here seem to think.

This, this is totally on point! We can't expect Japanese people to be like ,let's say, people from USA. I'm Mexican, we don't keep stuff inside, not for long, no sir!!

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Don't be Nanases to your Yunis people!

I am kidding, I just find the whole thing amusing as hell, ESH, but Fuuko is still the most entertaining of them all, I like this title, it is so over the top, I love the art and I love the comment section ,y'all get pretty worked up meow

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HAHAHAHA, my dear fucking goodness!!! What on earth did I just read??? How, how on earth could such a conversation like that happen??? I mean, what? Then again, it is so nice that they are all being honest now, finally, maybe it's a bit over the top...and weird, yeah, but jesus duck (I did type duck), it was about time, more of this shitshow please!!!!

I just had to re-read and chuckle at Yuni putting all the responsibility and blame on Nanase, Fuuko being nice and stripping her because that's how you can be a supportive side chick, is Yuni getting off on this? I don't even understand why is Fuuko removing Yuni's clothes and why is she like so into it, please explain to this poor lady

Not sure why we're spoilering--is this like us whispering in the back?--but I took it as Fuuko demonstrating her degree of sexual control over Yuni, like she's saying, "See, you've got this perfectly nice subby girlfriend, so why not give her some standard girlfriend attention, and I'll satisfy her need for light domination on the side? Win-win, amirite?"

yes, we are whispering in the back and being sneaky, it suits the mood lol. OHHH, now that makes a lot of sense, I have always thought Yuni likes to be dominated at least a bit, well, I am gonna bet Nanase storms out and they have sex to celebrate or...well I don't think Nanase would join and I doubt she'd beat Fuuko... thanks for enlightening me!!!

:D

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HAHAHAHA, my dear fucking goodness!!! What on earth did I just read??? How, how on earth could such a conversation like that happen??? I mean, what? Then again, it is so nice that they are all being honest now, finally, maybe it's a bit over the top...and weird, yeah, but jesus duck (I did type duck), it was about time, more of this shitshow please!!!!

I just had to re-read and chuckle at Yuni putting all the responsibility and blame on Nanase, Fuuko being nice and stripping her because that's how you can be a supportive side chick, is Yuni getting off on this? I don't even understand why is Fuuko removing Yuni's clothes and why is she like so into it, please explain to this poor lady

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I am beyond happy to see many others not liking the haircut. I am all for people doing what they want with their hair, but NOT for the sake of someone else, certainly not like this, blondie ain't even gay lol but ok.

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I avoided this for so long cos A) I thought it was a fish reference, not flowers....and B) that it was related to the not lizard title (I loved it but I didn't like the ending), and guess what? I am looooooving this!!!!!!!!!

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YAY, I just got hooked on this after it finally got moving in the kissing direction, so the ending felt nice to me!!!

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I am confused...is this as terrible as it seems it is going to be?
YEEEEHAA

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reminds me of that one lovecraft story, Shadow over Innsmouth? except maybe with a happy yuri ending this time

Oh yes, totally has a similar vibe, I wonder how will it turn up!