Why, sorry. I was under the impression that I already made my point so I tried not to be repetitive and just limited to essence of it. But if you insist.

And I'm glad I insisted, as that was a good piece. ^_^
In a debate club, under Paris-style rules, they would have given you a lot of extra points.

I already explained why none of it applies to A Room For Two in my like 4 other replies before that one. Not that anyone is forced to read those.

I did read your previous replies, and even supported and praised some of the points you made, remember?

However, if you are so tired of this discussion that all you can write is one-liners, perhaps it's time for you to move on to other threads and other debates.

Hehehe, yeah, it must be hard to focus on drawing when you are alone in a room with your girlfriend and all you can think of is nookie, nookie, nookie!

Even the sad chapter is filled with such playful joy that it's hard not to relish the experience...

Truer words were never spoken.

It's not often that you see a manga character turn into a pillar of salt.

Conjugal bliss. This is the life.

If you mean Monthly Birz, it went bung last year. It's no longer published.
Futaribeya is a web manga, these days.

The mag catered mainly to the otaku demographics.

Maybe I'm just misunderstanding, but none of the things all of you mentioned remotely apply to A Room For Two.

It must be as you say, then. You are misunderstanding. You don't understand this manga.
Or do you perhaps want to elaborate a little?

And by a curious coincidence (or not) these also happen to be the most commonly used and overused themes in heterosexual shoujo manga.

Well, the readerships are the same. The Japanese girls who read "normal" shoujo manga and the girls who every month buy Comic Yuri Hime come all from the same fanbase. It's no surprise that we find common themes.

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Naaah that won't happen: everyone knows the evil sexy lesbian always wins in the end!

(And if she doesn't, I'll just ignore the dumbass ending and write my own and post it on fanfiction.net! So there!)

Oh btw, just for the record, I love Kase-san to bits.

Oh I don't know, are we sure there weren't dime novels about evil sophisticated lesbians seducing wide-eyed country girls? lol

If there were, I totally want to read them!

Actually, don't take this the wrong way, but... it's even a little bit offensive for all women whose work is running or managing their family's home that you claim that, if they do their job well, they don't have any merit - because it's just talent at work, with no effort involved.

@Fairypixie, you're wrong. It's not a little bit offensive. It's very, very offensive.

The formula of old romantic novels worked just peachy! Only thing is, they were already lovers, and having sex aplenty, when the falling-in-love development happened. This wasn't how they did it in those dime novels! Ah, modern times...

Yeah, and, in the olden times, girls didn't fall in love with other girls either.

That too is a new twist of the old romantic novel pattern.

Yandere zombie.

Aww, cute purikura. Nagisa's work, obviously.

Lol, what a dense guy! Listen to her words, it's blatantly obvious what she's talking about!
Then again, him not getting it is faithful to the original.

Everyone would expect a guy like him to marry a rich alpha bitch, a beautiful heiress from a powerful and influential family. Yet the story always goes that he falls in love with the plain poor girl (because of her many virtues: she's kind-hearted, hard-working, etc. etc.) and ends up taking her as his wife.

That's how it happens... but it's worth mentioning that there's usually a bit more depth in the male character. In most cases, hidden underneath the appearance of perfect coolness and classiness, he has a secret side nobody (or almost nobody) knows about -- and the "plain girl" MC is the one girl who sees through him and discovers his secrets. And the reason he picks her, instead of some airheaded rich bimbo, is that she understands and accepts that side of him and makes him feel comfortable about it. He can really "be himself" around her, so to say, as she is the only one who knows how to cater to the real him and make him happy.

This is how it works for Sakurako and Kasumi, too. As BugDevil accurately explained before, Kasumi is lazy, a glutton, fastidious and picky about lots of things, and Sakurako is the one person in the world who has proven she can take all that in stride, love her, pamper her and take good care of her. It's not just Sakurako who's lucky to have Kasumi return her feelings -- Kasumi, if asked, will happily tell that she is super lucky to have a Sakurako in her life.

As fantasy stories go, this one has proved to have lasting popularity with audiences all round the world.

Yeah, and there are 5,000 Corín Tellado titles with more than 400 million books sold all over the world to prove it!

And let's not forget mainstream shoujo manga: I do believe that 90% of the series out there follow the pattern you outlined.

By the way:

...

So it was a tan after all, not her natural skin color. Sigh. Someone give me back the time we wasted debating it.

Haha, true.

While we are waiting, thought I might re post this list I made from way back when:

With all the new chapters I decided to read again from beginning.
For giggles I composed a list of all the smooches.

Full kisses:
6.7 - Michiru x Airi
14.7 - Mahimahi
60.5 - Ayano x Miyoshi
85.7 - Shizuka x Mio, 85.9 too
97.2 - Shizuka x Mio (flashback), 97.5 too
98.8 - Kaoru x Shizuka
99.12 - Nao x Nao
100.10 - Ayano x Miyoshi

One-sided / near kisses (lip play):
19.6 - Mahimahi
23.6 - Nononon x Yumimi
37.11- Ai x Chie
39.12 - Alicia x Honoka
46.7 - Kaoru x Hibiki
49.10 - Ai x Chie
68.7 - Kaoru x Shizuka
85.3 - Shizuka x Mio, 85.4 too
92.8 - Yuu x Mari, 92.9, 92.10 too
100.11 - Ayano x Miyoshi

Apparently about page 7 is the sweet spot for kissing.

@shadesan you're my hero. They should put up a statue of you for making this list.

Kou doesn't reject anyone in the flashback. The girl who is seen crying is the one who has rejected the third girl in the photography club of Kou's middle school.

B (the third club member) confesses to A (the second club member). A tells Kou that she only sees B as a friend, and now she's torn as she doesn't know how to face her.

Note how Kou is quoting her. In the present, she wonders if things could have been different if she had known more about love, i.e. she regrets that she couldn't offer the girl any advice.

Hey... that's true! When I first read it, I too thought that the segment of text in the flashback panels was Kou narrating, not the actual dialogue in the scene as it happened.

Rereading it now, I realize you're right.

Anyone here remembers Angel Densetsu?
Kaoru reminds me of Seiichirou Kitano. She has the same problem with her looks, and we find in this chapter that she too inherited them from her father.

People CAN change if they really want to and put the time and effort into doing so.

"We don't alter, Bunny. We only develop."

(Arthur J. Raffles to Harry "Bunny" Manders, on the nature of 'change')

Sakurako has yet to meet her new roommate. Then, the girl arrives... and Sakurako can't believe her eyes: she's an ABSOLUTE GODDESS! A stunning blonde beauty with the body of a supermodel, big firm boobs, flawlessly fair skin, perfect shapely legs, a sexy round butt and a face so pretty it's breathtaking! And yes, she's only 15, just like Sakurako. Our poor Sakurako is so stupefied she even wonders if they are the same species! Like, she's Homo Sapiens Sapiens, but Kasumi (that's her roommate's name) must be Homo Perfectis Divinis or something!

You'd have thought Kasumi's calling should naturally have been to become the trophy wife of some hunky multimillionaire stud -- and forever enjoy a delicious life of pleasure, luxury and dolce far niente.

Um, Tadokoro, I feel like Nikaidou may not be the best person to test your manuscript with. Something tells me she's a wee bit biased.

Hehe, yeah, either that or we have to accept at face value that Tadokoro has just written the BEST MANGA EVAR in the history of manga.