That was intense! The vibe kinda reminds me of Gunjo. The art style takes sometime getting used to but when it does, it's beautiful.

I love how this isn't just about yuri and AIs falling in love, but they also explain the mechanics behind Praha. It gives the story more depth and makes it more interesting.

I think it will be more interesting if she is getting an arranged marriage. This is supposed to be a love triangle, and I want to see something pull Sumin towards Seju again. This would be the kind of wake up call that would make Sumin confront her feelings about whatever happened in the past. It's like she's been frozen for the past 10 years, just emotionally running away from everything.

The author already denied the possibility of an arranged marriage in her qna, and also, she said she does't want to define their relationships as some love triangle.

That's great news. And anyway, I don't think arrange marriage is needed for Seju, her family's affluent and she has lotd of brothers to continue their lineage.

^^Sounds like an interesting concept but I doubt it would work. The shy girl would be too shy (to make a move) and the tsundere would be too tsun. If that even makes sense. No one would initiate the first move. :<

I see we still haven't moved on from this topic, not that I have any complaints. It's quite pleasing to read about different POVs about Seju's character/intentions/persona.

And though I have no wish to discuss with others whether Seju cheated or not, I want to point out that I share your view on Seju's one night-stand. Yes, you are not the only one, I am with you. If it is true that Seju never slept with anyone else for the past 10 years, then this only makes me question even more on why the hell she intentionally cheated that night.

Thanks dawny. I read your whole post as well and it was very insightful and persuasive. It further amped up my want for Seju to end up with Sumin.

Keep in mind that this story is set in Asia, where that sort of stuff is quite popular. E.g. blood types are a big thing in Japan so zodiacs may be an important feature. Also, since it's a work of fiction and the authors chose to give them those birth dates, it probably means something.

If you look at it then the characters fit the stereotypical description of their zodiacs quite well for example:
-Seju: Scorpio, known for being charming, dark, enigmatic, alluring, manipulative and often bent for revenge. Basically Seju to a T so no need to elaborate. Scorpios are fucking hot! Even if you don't believe in all this malarky.

-Sungji: Taurus known for being stubborn but honest and reliable. Think Sungji once she's set her mind on something for example skiving work to visit Sumin
-Sumin: Cancer known for being sensitive, unable to keep control of their emotions, yet quite kind and loving. This fits Sumin quite well as Sungji herself noticed, you just have to dig a tiiiiny bit deeper to see it.

That makes a lot of sense, thanks for bringing that up. It sheds a lot of light onto their nature as characters. And your posts were very perceptive too. I enjoy reading it.

Sungji is probably the only person I've ever seen sad to receive an iPhone. Indeed the flip phone was much cooler.

I enjoyed the first chapter but it was disappointing that she was indeed a he. I was hoping the squishy was a third boob instead but nah

^Sounds exciting. We need a new sport since boxing's basically dead.

Nothing screams more romantic than taking a blade to the hand and a kiss!

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dawny's argument are much sounder than mine and I agree with whatever they have to sat though.

^I apologize halmoni. I sounded very rude. The donut was on purpose, btw.

^do I get anything for a point? :)

Thanks anonymous for the pictures!

^the second picture looks more like Seol-dako, get it Seol-dako? Sadako no...? Okay..

tiptoeing out of the scene

Let me correct my previous statements. Seju isn't a hoe, she's a bitch. Oh I'm sorry, I'm not reading WDFS. I'm translating it. Haha. Ha.

Oh, how could I have forgotten? Right, you are the translator you know everything huh? You're the translator, not the author. Just because you translate shit (which I'm grateful for btw, thanks) doesn't make your opinion anymore right than others.

My so called "prejudice" against Seju's character goes much farther than just chapters 10 and 11. I've already listed several examples as to why I think she's so shady, and it's how I interpreted both the art and story from the authors. Saying "I maybe slightly biased towards Seju" contradicts, and invalidates your statement of "I don't base my comments on nothing". Because clearly, you have based several comments on said bias. If I hadn't clarified chapter 9 for you, you would have continued to hold a wrong perspective of that scene, which would have further clouded your judgement of Seju's character.

Apparently, you donut know the meaning of touché. thank you for shedding light on the conversation part, now I should acknowledge that Seju is positively diabolical.

We don't know much about her personality, but we have definitely been given glimpses and hints.

-Manipulative (chapters 9 and 14; Seju attempts to get Sungji interested in Sumin, Seju grins after Sumin admits Sungji is her type)

Yeah thanks for repeating this part 10 million times. I get that Seju is trying to push them together but her motives are still unclear.

-Rude/demeaning (chapters 3, 9, 10; Comments mocking or pissing off Sumin)

Sumin doesn't even look remotely pissed in that part, lol. It feels like you're trying to make it more than it really is, kinda like a desperate attempt to validate your point.

-Controlling (chapter 15; Sumin's friend isn't allowed to visit the office because of Seju's restriction)

So? Doesn't mean Sumin can't contact Namisa outside the office. They even played squash! How fun! Haha. Oh and where was the squash court located? I forgot.

Examples of your unbiased, super-objective comments:
A) "Seju supposedly "tricked" Sungji into revealing that she was the friend over at Sumin's when all she did was state something so obvious. It's more like Sungji is extremely gullible (or naïve as Seju put it) for answering Seju's inexplicit question without Seju even asking her."

You're pushing the blame away from Seju and onto Sungji. If that isn't an example of deceit, then I don't know what is.

I ain't even pushing the blame on Sungji, I'm just stating that she's gullible and that Seju didn't even directly ask her yet she answered the unasked question anyway.

B) "Why I'm rooting for Seju is because she's really devoted to Sumin. During the 10 years after the death of Sumin's parents Seju never slept with anyone else (confirmed by the author) while Sumin had relations with other women".

You naturally assume that she's devoted, just because she didn't sleep with someone else for 10 years. Here's the definition of devotion: a feeling of strong love or loyalty, or the use of time, money, energy, etc., for a particular purpose. Second definition, I might agree with. First one, not so much. I've already explained why I don't believe Seju is being a "loyal" white knight for Sumin, read my previous arguments. This is probably the most...solid (somewhat) of your arguments, because you use actual evidence from the authors.

C) "For all we know she could've been tricked into it and whatnot seeing as she's not into men, and the fact that she was under the influence and lonely as she thinks Sumin blames her"

Once again, it's not really Seju's fault, it's because the poor thing could've been tricked. Or she was too drunk. Or too lonely. She didn't mean to cheat, I swear! Stop trying to take the blame off of her again. She made a mistake, she fucked up, and that's that. It doesn't matter why she did it.

I'm not trying to defend her or even say that she's not at fault for sleeping with the friggin bartender, I'm merely saying that the circumstances when it happened are not revealed yet (except that she was intoxicated and lonely) there's a difference between willing and not willing. My point is, did Seju want to do it or was she cajoled into it. See, you're not paying attention.

You're trying to portray her as some innocent, devoted, angst-filled maiden in love, who makes mistakes sometimes, but it's not always really her fault because insert excuse here. When clearly, examples from the manhwa say otherwise. I'm not saying it's bad to like Seju; you can like her all you want. All I'm saying is don't try changing her characterization for the sake of fitting your idealized version of her.

Hahaha I like Seju! She gives off this dark, alluring aura but she's not really intimidating. And she's mysterious.

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The key phrase there is "it seems to me".

I could say the same for those trying to paint Seju in a completely different light (which is also inconsistent with her actions and behaviors) when none of us know much about her true character. You're misconstruing a character so much to the point where I feel like you're reading a completely different manhwa.

Apparently, we are reading the same manhwa (unless you're reading something else? haha). The only difference between you and me is that, you are prejudiced against Seju thinking she's a hoe because of chapter 10/11. Since you already hold a negative light upon her character, all her actions are done with a hidden motive. For me, I'm merely stating my observations for her actions.

And while I maybe slightly biased towards Seju, I don't base my comments on nothing. I did agree about the conversation thing being passive-aggressive.

For the second time I'm saying it again, Seju's personality and character are all just speculations still because we haven't been given a glimpse on her perspective yet. What she does appear to be doing is pushing Sungji and Sumin together. That's it, so how can you conclude quickly she's a controlling/hoe and whatnot based on that? Ciao

How very insightful and cute.

I'm just wondering, do you suddenly burst out laughing when you type? I can't take you seriously when you keep randomly adding lol. Pfft.

Anyway, there wasn't any doubt that Seju doesn't feel affection for Sumin since the beginning so you're basically just pointing out the obvious, lol.

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clairesun

Ah, well you make it sound so sinister. "Controlling is mostly one kind of love," I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean.

Again, Seju has not been forcing Sumin to tell her about her relationships, It's Sumin who opens up to Seju. Although Seju did ask about what Sumin thinks about Sungji, they're just having regular conversations and not "Seju-coaxing-Sumin-to-spill-the-beans". Sumin has the choice to not respond to Seju. It's not like she's scared of her y'know, she even tells Seju to get out of her office.

It seems to me sumin is not that open to seju about her private life if she is not in a frustrated mood

The key phrase there is "it seems to me".

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^Most of your arguments have been refuted. And it IS an assumption because we don't have definite proof that she is more or less controlling.

The fact is, we haven't got a clue what's Seju's intentions are since we haven't gotten a glimpse into her perspective unlike Sungji and Sumin. Basically at this point, it's all just assumptions and speculations (like Seju seem to be pushing Sungji and Sumin together).

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I don't wanna report to someone whom I date, whom I sleep with, is there someone I want to meet, if I have new friends or not, if I'm interested in some cutie in the office

Again, Seju has not been forcing Sumin to tell her about her relationships, It's Sumin who opens up to Seju. Although Seju did ask about what Sumin thinks about Sungji, they're just having regular conversations and not "Seju-coaxing-Sumin-to-spill-the-beans". Sumin has the choice to not respond to Seju. It's not like she's scared of her y'know, she even tells Seju to get out of her office.

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Oh wow.

those scenarios seems like Sumin is being a tsundere, lol. Well I guess she's trying to prevent Seju from getting closer because she doesn't want anything more than being friends with benefits. But that does NOT mean she clearly dislikes her. Haha

^for halmonie

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Excellent points you brought up dawny.

If she's so emotionally strong, please explain to me why she won't end her unhealthy relationship with Seju, when she clearly dislikes her.

How did you conclude Sumin clearly dislikes Seju? Um, she's working for her company and they're friends with benefits. You kinda lost me there?

EDIT: I see no reason how being friends with benefits could be considered an "unhealthy" relationship when they're both willing.

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^touché?

^*I did say* the only part I'm confused about is why Seju seems to be trying to push the two together.

And, well, their passive-aggressive conversation seemed very passive. The smirk at the end was because Sumin said that Seju was the one who knew what she liked. That could be interpreted in lots of ways. She could simply be happy about the statement.

^I think the only reason Sumin doesn't have a lot of friends is because she's not a people person. She's kinda like a lone wolf. I think she's actually capable of having lots of connections if she wanted as from the chapter where she seduced red-haired girl, she's quite a cunning person