Yeah, this breaks my suspension of disbelief. You don't just walk out of dental surgery all put together and pretty. The protagonist can't be shown looking a little messed up even in such circumstances? Is the taboo against not constantly conforming to cisheteronormative beauty standards really that strong?

I hate to take issue with people insisting on realism, but when I had my wisdom teeth removed, all four, I looked basically normal right afterwards. My mouth hurt and I was careful what I ate for a few days . . . uhhh, less careful than I should have been . . . but mostly I was fine. Went to a restaurant and had steak fajitas three days later.
I probably wasn't going to be hitting any bars the same evening, but I LOOKED ok.

Mine was the same, except there wasn't really any pain. My care instructions were just to not dislodge the clot. I could have gone to a bar if I wanted.

Depending on how they grow in, it can be like a normal extraction, just with a bigger hole left afterward. Technically still surgery, but not the type were someone would seem out of it after. It's not like when your wisdom teeth are impacted or similar.

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Since people instinctively compare themselves to their peers, it's not that strange to use the school is a comparison for "society" when it comes to class. By that, I mean income inequality is a better predictor of various kinds of social ills than wealth itself because if everyone poor then people tend to feel like they're doing decently well. I am kind of experiencing this myself. I live in an area with many immigrants, legal and otherwise, as well as their descendants. I live off what's considered a poverty level income.

I've encountered various peoplewho seem to see me as a destitute person with a difficult life. This is either in other places or with people who are from other places. Still, I can afford a nice place to live, transportation, I can afford entertainment options like museums, etc. I could pick any restaurant at random and likely afford to go there. The reason is that all of these must be set up to be accessible to the people who live here. I therefore have a sense that I'm getting to fully participate in society and not missing out on anything important. I'm curious if that will change if I move and get re-exposed to US income inequality.

If we take the school, the sense of full participation very much does not apply Yuni. She mostly posts on instagram and waits for Nanase. There's lots of free activities she could be doing with other students like hanging out in parks and playing games . However, the social life of the school is not designed around that. Nanase in contrast embraces the school's social life, while Fuuko stays aloof from it for various reasons.

I do think that, if the author really wanted, they could have people 'truly' of these incomes at the same school. For instance, it could be a rich elite school with a scholarship tuition program, making it a burden for Yuni's single mom to simply pay for things like uniforms. If Nanase and Yuni were both on scholarships, that would give them another reason to initially be drawn toward each other despite being a bad fit for each other. It would also explain Nanase's obsession with maintaining her image at school, especially as it pertains to sports where she is fully accepted and admired.

The author not coming up with something like this likely means they didn't intend for us to focus on economic classes this much, despite relative income levels still being treated as story relevant in places like the Osaka arc.

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If we're going full communist, Karl Marx called this petty bourgeoisie. Essentially, small scale business owners / independent workers who aren't aligned with the interests of the true bourgeoisie. It was believed they weren't a threat, but could potentially cause issues by resisting collective ownership after the revolution or by identifying with the true bourgeoisie.

There's also lumpen proletariat, essentially criminals, and Lenin talked about the existence of a labor aristocracy through imperialism where proletariat in certain countries benefited at the expense of proletariat in other countries. I will leave which characters to assign these roles to the rest of you very committed readers.

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For what it's worth, I would definitely be uncomfortable if we had a yuri magic pregnancy plotline with the MCs. For now (or up to where I am, I am waiting for Spanish translation to catch up so tell me if if I´m wrong) it's more "technically this exists". We can't know the exact reason it's been mentioned or if they will actually use the technology. I am willing to wait to see where the author goes with this.

The feudal noble dad having some of the same concerns (which can be an understanding coming from prejudice leading to actions motivated by a sincere to help, an honestly dangerous combination) espoused by real life dads do doesn't bother me. It would be weirder to me if they weren't homophobic at all and the feudal nobles were less prejudiced than real life parents in the modern day US. Likely he also feels a need to raise objections other nobles will because the consequences will be harsher for them with any other noble than him.

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So what? The author still picked a wound by bringing up the topic and then left it uncovered. And for what? What benefit do we get from magical breeding instead of them adopting from that orphanage? I personally find pregnancy and birth topics that I'd like to stay as far away from as possible...

I have been staying out of this topic. I will say that there are quite a lot of people who feel as you do, especially among the LGBT community, but also quite a lot of people who like the topic of giving birth.

If we think about the different emotional associations someone could have based on different life experiences, even among the LGBT community, to me it's clear that neither preference is innately more valid than the other. Your disappointment makes sense, but so would the opposite: someone enjoying seeing the impossible made possible through magic in fiction.

I would like to kindly suggest everyone give each other space to have their own preferences and associations. Those preferences and associations always have more to do with the person in question than any other person. The attempt to reconcile these differences into a universal principle about what's right often fails to do anything good in terms of improving people's lives concretely.

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@Blastaar

Sure, as imaginary people, Aya is the “best” of the lot—brave, forward-thinking, trying to do the best with the bizarre cards she’s been dealt—while Koto and Erika are both stuck living in the past in different ways and not doing too well at it. But it’s hard for me to see the characters as the equivalent of sports teams, where I’m “rooting” for one over the other.

I haven't read all the comments (forgive me forum, I find it annoying when people ignore comments to respond), but I think it's pretty clear Aya can be this way because she is the only one who wasn't traumatized by her disappearance.

Koto is obvious. Erika has essentially been hanging onto her guilt and punishing herself by not allowing herself to even attempt dating someone else. She knows she ruined Koto and therefore can never feel she deserves anyone else herself (though obviously it's not really her fault because she didn't know she has magic tanabata powers). Koto instead tried to move forward, but never could completely due to the way Aya suddenly disappeared with no explanation.

For Aya much of her past was a burden, so it being gone is a relief. In that sense, her situation is the best one, despite all the problems. To some extent, I think the actual dynamic is more like she's running from her past, ie the abandonment, slowly dying grandparents, etc. She desperately wants to move forward and become an adult who can take care of herself, which technically she already is, legally.

Some speculation, the tanabata magic requires pairs, but it doesn't make sense that would be Koto's that makes Aya disapear. I think it could be that Aya's wish aligned with Erika's. Hers was for Aya to disappear and then reappear, whereas for Aya she wanted to escape to her future and find the different place she was looking for, where she could love someone without fear in a way she couldn't as a middle schooler.

Also re "horse race," I think people wanting some character to "win" comes from identifying with the character to some extent, so they take on that character's desires. Or they imagine themselves as that character and then think about who they would want to be with, which some people are doing with Aya and thinking they'd rather be with someone who can relate to them in a healthy way.

Personally I identify more with Koto so I'd like for her to end up with Aya somehow, but the main thing thematically is for them to fully accept their pasts, ie not rejecting or fleeing from it, and therefore fully be part of their present. The tri-friendship ending where they pursue other people romantically would make the most sense currently, but it could really go any way as long as that happens.

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I'm not sure if I agree entirely, but I do think you're right about regarding anti-gay societal beliefs leading to the characters being unable to express attraction openly and finding some other outlet. At the very least, that's what's going on in the story, whereas in real life sometimes the original motivating factor something non-sexual that gets reexpressed in a sexual context.

There are still these contexts of people who would be 100% okay with LGBT relationships finding it weird for someone to be sucking on doll legs or where these characters are not fully seeing the people who they think they love. I don't think any of this is really a contradiction. It's more that "the series/title/ is about X" is overly reductive and that this would be a one off instead of a series if the author only had one idea to talk about.

@kinseijoshi

The clay figurine thing is a good point. These characters are so hung up on their "ideal" love that they're unable to see the real people in front of them, to the point of making selfish, shitty decisions. They're all attempting to mold other people into what they want them to be: Meguru into Azuki's lover, Azuki into Yakou's figurine maker, Yakou into Niji's fanfic girlfriend, and everyone into a safe, non-sexual plush for Meguru to cuddle.

This is somewhat insightful into the nature of the story I think. Though the title is clearly a double meaning, where one of them is really about the way these people express affection not matching society’s norms, but a second is likely the way feelings of love itself can manifest in a harmful way (possessiveness, etc). Though so far Yakou is relatively well adjusted compared to the rest of them and likely having a positive impact on Azuki.

I am not at all sure these specific theories about Niji will be correct, but it seems likely that Niji will fit the pattern of possessive/harmful expressions of love that don’t recognize the reality of the other person. Meguru and Azuki clearly both fit this. Yakou is saved by the fact that the objects of her affection are actual objects she can’t harm. She’s however being rather cavalier about what the long term impact of her relationship with Azuki will have on Azuki, as her priority is getting the figurines. I'd expect her being the first person that valued Azuki’s figurine making to be a net positive, but we will have to see about that one.

@meena

this is cheaper than therapy tho

Plus, would a therapist know how to use plastic wrap on clay figurine legs to preserve them so that they can be sucked on for multiple uses? Whether in or out of universe, important information like this can only be found elsewhere.

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Niji's actions are just subtly weird at this point. Hard to say much about her, but we got the black bleeding panels or whatever that was supposed to be. That's like the manga equivalent of creepy music playing whenever a character shows up, even though they haven't done anything that bad (yet).

Given the themes of the manga, I would say she seems possessive and seems to like criticizing Youku, which could be her own way of expressing affection. But obviously that's harmful if it's down without limits or agreement. It seems like she isn't big on Youku making connections with other people, though it could be romantic ones specifically and she is jealous.

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Oh nooooo. Everything feels so ominous and nightmarish this chapter. The thing the little girl literally feels like a shame nightmare or something, and it just spirals from there. Not surprised Azuki didn't take this well, hard to process reality properly when it feels so unreal. This chapter goes past drama into being a psychological thriller like Perfect Blue or Black Swan. Fully expecting that if she ever does carve a head for her Clay Megurus they'll start talking to her. Maybe even moving around her apartment.

I have had the "We need to get the kid away from this person" reaction before while with another person. It didn't bother me that much, but in retrospect I think it bothered the other person a lot, who also believed the child only talked to us because I was there. It definitely would be upsetting to someone like Azuki.

We really need Yakou to the rescue here. I don't know what she'll do, but pretty much anything is going to be better than this chapter.

Meguru's reaction to the blood was also interesting. It seems like she has some hangups around body fluids and the like- or, with this manga being like it is, maybe the opposite and what she's uncomfortable with is herself liking it. Normally you would give someone the tissue, not wipe their face and then stare at the blood on you."What you felt is lust and not love" could be what Meguru has been telling herself. Her expression is similar to Yakou's after when the lady was talking about how whoever had the doll is creepy.

Either way, Azuki's ptsd is triggered and she responds by integrating blood because she associates her blood being gross with Meguru now. Everyone here is having a bad time.

This is one of those series that makes me feel better about myself because the characters are about 20% weirder than me. Just don't remind I'm not fictional.

That's actually hilarious. I know the assumptions around delegitimatizing affection between women aren't, but they failed at both that and criminalizing sex work here. It would also make working with female clients especially desirable, I would think.

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@ Blastaar

As opposed to the one on every street corner in yuri manga. . . .

Well, not in this manga, where we know of exactly one in both Japan and the entire world. You may hedging when the manga, while not realistic, was not quite as unrealistic as you first assumed. Stories normally involve some unusual situation, but unusual and unrealistic are very different.

We did see iirc a restaurant with female waiters in men's clothes, but I wouldn't be surprised if Tokyo had at least one of those too.

@SrNevik

Haha. They're actually really public. It's not really risky.

I meant more so having google searches for lesbian brothels in my search history. Having to explain that one if anyone found out / noticed I did it would be like a real life manga situation for me.

I know second hand that coordinating with clients is often done on the web, generally with no negative repercussions for either party, so you finding something isn't that surprising to me. Nor is at least location existing in a very large city like Tokyo, for that matter. Even if the workers don't exclusively take female clients, I imagine it could be slightly awkward for some to ask a regular escort if they take female clients. Having a venue where potential clients know that's okay would be encouraging for that group, while the worker could still seek additional clients elsewhere if they wanted.

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SrNevik, I see you're making the risky internet searches so the rest of us don't have to.

I think part of why these over the top, implausible situations are engaging is because they mirror dilemmas we may experience in our own life. The difference is that the manga ones are far more engaging and exciting due to their absurdity, but they're not categorically different than something we might experience with another person ourselves.

An example is two people having different relationships between wearing no or limited clothing, to the point one is confused by the other's actions. That's a real thing people have experienced, even if the specific situation in the manga had piled on absurdities. Most of the situations are like that. If they were totally unrelatable, it would be like reading about aliens or a story about a social species of fish living in a school of fish (where the fish has species realistic emotions, thoughts, and relationships instead of being an anthropomorphic fish).

Sometimes people to do get heated in these discussions. In that case, it's worth remembering that it is fiction and the consequences for not collectively resolving the ethics of the absurd situation are relatively low. When it instead remains a fun thought experiment, I think it's harmless and potentially helpful for some people in some situations to consider.

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I do like that even more over the top dramatic stories can help us understand real world dynamics, whether just thinking about it leading to insight into someone's real world "character" or realizing that, yeah, my acting like even a toned down version of some particular character would go pretty badly.

Maybe this is less important for other people, but I am autistic and not very good imagining people's emotional states in real time. It can be particularly helpful from that perspective.

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to be clear, I'm not making any moral statements by calling it "shame". That's just the social term for that discomfort about being seen. I think the amount of particular shame you feel in a particular context, whether high medium or low, is just a personality quirk, not a reflection of morality or trauma or normality or whatever. I had a kidney problem a couple years ago that required seeing a urologist on multiple appointments and then finally surgery. The first time I had to be exposed in front of the doctor and nurse I was a little uncomfortable. By the time they wheeled my half-naked ass feet-first into an operating room with a dozen observing medical students in it I just completely didn't care anymore lol. I'm sure plenty of other people going through that would not get used to it, there's probably people out there who think that OR scene I just described is literally nightmare fuel. There's also people out there who can't empathize with why I was uncomfortable with the first doctor.

I appreciate the lack of moral statements.

In this case, Mashiro not only did show it, but had zero hesitation and did not bother to check with the friend/colleague if it was okay for her to do it. At that point the friend did seem surprised and not entirely comfortable. Not even checking with the other person because it's already that normal to you is somewhere less than "low" discomfort to me. She did it with the casualness of someone pulling out a picture of their cat on their phone.

Anyway, these are all relative statements, so it's not worth getting hung up on them imo. One person's "a lot" is another persons "a little bit". Either's "a lot" could then be made into a "little bit" if a new comparison shows up. This is simply my own frame of reference.

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I agree that it would not be the sole reason. However, any discomfort would have been worked through and processed so that it is now not a big deal for her. I don't know if the initial discomfort was none, a little, or a lot, but I would guess not none.

I can say that, for me, showing someone my pubic hair would be fairly extraordinary. I have been inside gym changing rooms, but that doesn't mean I would do what Mashiro did. Feel free to interpret me having strong body shame, but I can only speak from the perspective of my own life experience here. That doesn't mean I would judge you or another person for acting that way around people who don't mind it, but this behavior would not be typical in terms of myself or what I've experienced from others.

Well, that was a strong criticism of my idea. Though thank you for sharing it, as avoiding stigmitization is important.

I personally wouldn’t know what it is more common in terms of before/after feelings and have no connections to the industry. Still, I don’t think people only work in the sex industry because they were already completely comfortable with nudity. At least in universe, the story is in fact showing us a character who has hang ups and still wants to transition the industry. Many fields involve aspects that are initially stressful or hard to deal with, though to what degree varies from person to person, that then become normal after exposure over time. Another example would be the sight of blood for someone in medicine.

In any case, I am not meaning to make the argument that she had a strong sense of shame around her body and was changed by the industry. I mean that I think she’s in “business mode” here. The way someone talks to a colleague is different than the way they talk to an outsider. The business mode would certainly only be learnt after being involved in the industry, regardless of what industry we’re talking about. Few other industries would involve the technicalities of shaving your pubic hair, so this situation came up precisely because of the specific industry she was involved in.

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Mashiro has not violated any agreements with Makino, nor has she ignored Makino's boundaries. Doing something your partner doesn't like isn't ignoring their boundaries. Otherwise, it would be violating your partner's boundaries to, say wear clothing they disliked. My hypothetical partner (who, lets be honest, I would be talking to now if I had one instead of posting about yuri comics) could feel that my clothing reflects badly on them and want to have a conversation about that, they could choose to end the relationship, etc. Still, even if my clothing was strange or offensive by mainstream cultural norms, none of this would mean I was violating their boundaries. If they pressed the issue, they would in fact be violating mine, by trying to control what clothing I wear.

The basic thing here: Mashiro gets to decide what body parts she shows to what people, who her friends are, and to whom she gives business advice. Makino doesn't get to unilaterally "set boundaries" about this. If Makino percieves any of this as a lack of faithfulness (the one thing Mashiro did commit to doing) then they should talk about that, because clearly Mashiro didn't see it that way and was open about what she was doing.

Has Mashiro done anything wrong? Well, she failed to notice how uncomfortable Makino was, nor did she try to talk with Makino more or reassure Makino when she was feeling insecure. Instead, Mashiro treated it like any typical outburst of Makino, like when Makino acts possessive of a fictional character. Failing to notice that it was a serious issue for Makino and instead plowing ahead is enough to warrant an apology, so I am not saying she is completely blameless.

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[Friendly remainder]
People might have forgotten but Mashiro backstory was told to MC when she got scared of thunder, Thunder bringing back the memories of the time when her Parents toss her away to the orphanage/abandon her to the orphanage...Mashiro remember this clearly when it very stormy (Lightning/Thunder) so she was at least 5-6+ year at the time instead of being a baby that can't remember much.

Damn, sounds like I need to reread this one because I don't remember that at all. That matches the neglect/abandonment background that would fit her personality traits, though.

otherwise she is relatively together and mentally healthy.

Mashiro was outright suicidal not long ago.

I don't remember if there were hints of an abusive childhood.

I did say relatively. Admittedly, if the suicidality was going to resurface, this would be the situation. Her alternative to her sister essentially questioned her worth as a partner and now she's spending the night alone, with no one to comfort her. Despite that, she is not acting like someone willing to repress wanting her boundaries or who is desperate for Makino's approval at all costs. Otherwise her behavior would have been very different this arc and she would be willing to tolerate aspects like letting Makino have veto power over her friends.

We also haven't heard of any parental issues, but we could imagine most mild to moderately conservative parents (ie typical Japanese parent) wouldn't be thrilled about their daughter being both a lesbian and sex worker. So there could be some level of neglect/abandonment or the sisters could even have been disowned by their parents, which would tie into Makino attributing her value to her sister and romantic relationship. An active abuse history would be a new reveal, though.

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All the talk of cheating, miscommunication, etc and I’m just thinking how she has a smart phone and could’ve pulled up any one of the millions of pictures out there to give examples. Like, literally no reason to give a full frontal preview.

Do we have any reason to think Mashiro might have weak personal boundaries?

Essentially no. She was all in on the lesbian incest business partners relationship and tied her self worth to that imagined relationship, but otherwise she is relatively together and mentally healthy. She has in fact protected her boundaries with Makino this arc, when it was something she cared about (giving the advice, expressing that being stereotyped bothered her).

It's much more likely that nudity and/or showing underwear (we didn't see which, she could have been demonstrating with a gesture) to another woman is simply not a big deal to her due to her experience as a sex worker, especially when she is in a nonsexual context of giving advice to another worker now.

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They do clearly both care for each other a lot, so I am also expecting a relatively happy ending. In fact, I wouldn't be this invested in the story if they didn't care for each other. But, much like with a fever, I think it's going to get much worse before it gets better.

Misa also crossed serious lines here (and tbh in every arc) in my view. The blind spot was not 100% foolproof, given they were outside on a balcony, there was the whole situation in the alley where anyone could wander in, there's the taxi driver and whoever else observing a blindfolded Io being ferried about, etc. This would be risky with someone who isn't a literal celebrity with a paparazzi. Even in previous arc in the pickup bar, Io told Misa that she wasn't comfortable with doing sexual acts in front of other people, and Misa has just been ignoring that because Io is still able to get off. If Misa keeps doing this kind of thing, eventually they're going to get unlucky with an observer identifying Io.

Then there is the whole situation with the mom saying she would make it so Io can never rebel again. I could see them going after Misa to manipulate Io. Even if Misa felt like she could handle the situation, Io might not agree and feel worse than if they went after Io herself. Communication could therefore be hampered in the future by Io literally being threatened not to communicate.

There's so many ways for the situation to get worse and, at least in real life, caring for each other often isn't enough to avoid harming each other.

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Sometimes a series goes so far that the hate readers are forced to give up even just responding without reading because the content is so bothersome to them. This manga for example has a lot fewer haters than the "My Girlfriend's Not Here Today," probably because the content is much more confrontational and explicit, even though the content here is normally the kind of stuff they flock to to hate.

You could probably relate this to the "dead dove" concept. This manga is a bag with a dead dove that eagerly wants you to know that's what it contains, compared to manga that tries to hide their dead dove by slowly ramping up to it and using fragrances and trying to present the dead dove with taste and shame.

Now I know another series too look at.

But yeah, this arc we got possible grooming, sexual assault of the main romantic lead, MC blaming the romantic lead for being assaulted, retributive public humiliation of the romantic lead, and then really intense BDSM esque explicit sex where the romantic lead is crying and compares the MC to her assaulter. The likely result is the MC facing no negative consequences for any of this (other than the ire of Hase/Io's mom) and instead being rewarded by deepening her relationship with the lead.

It's probably going to get weirder from here. We have plot points like the MC considering stuff like keeping Io at her apartment. Would the romantic lead be financially responsible on the MC at that point? There's the weird relationship between Hase and Io's mom where the mom was threatening to get rid of Hase, apparently just to mess with Hase. The mom said it was fine as long as Hase brough Io back, but realistically Io would have come back on her own eventually. Despite this Hase actively panicked. There's the possible implication that the Hase was recreating with Io what the mom did to her. That's a major theme in another Flowerchild manga, A Detatched Relationship. Etc.

Early on, some people were thinking this would be subverted. They somehow thought we'd get a story primarily about both Misa and Io healing, plus exploration of healthy BDSM communication. At this point, it should instead be clear that the dynamics will be getting worse for much or most of the story. If what's happened so far is upsetting, hate reading would be more like touching a hot stove with a "hot stove" indicator light on than than the entertaining love-to-hate relationship many people have with more mainstream and popular works.

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It's also really common that people get along well until one of them is angered/stressed, at which point the latent bigotry or psychological issues come out. In a romantic context, this can be where the relationship either ends, which is why many don't make it past 6 months

Makino spent her time goofing off and focusing on her games because she was raised in a way where she felt like she would never amount to anything. As a result, it seems like she's up to date on exactly zero social issues. She's not even particularly good with lesbian social issues. It makes sense she'd have some unexamined biases that she picked up from society that are obviously wrong if she thinks about them, but that she never had any reason to think about until now.

Also one of the dangerous things about anger is that you feel justified in doing things you wouldn't normally, almost like being drunk or on drugs. Even if you are 'justified' in being angry, it's hard to keep your actions strictly justified if you are dominated by that mindset. Many people would then find some way to self justify their actions after the fact or even alter their memories (seriously, that's a thing that's been studied), but Makino was able to quickly realize she went too far.

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@RandomFanZ

There is nothing wrong or shameful about Mashiro's previous job [There are many worst jobs that exploits innocent people...At least people are mostly happy thanks to the Lily job...] but I can see MC's point of view and how she got a tiny tiny bit (Normal amount actually) jealous, MC would not be that insecure or jealous if MC had previous relationships before Mashiro (Has experience on what to do or not to do) but sadly this is her 1st and hopefully last relationship.

I think there can also be some tension from someone with many partners and someone with few/one partner relating to sex differently, which is probably exacerbated with one of the them having literally been in the sex industry.

Even if you're both okay with the other's history in theory, there can be these times where you fail to understand how the other person is thinking about. I see that as the case here, where Mashiro seemed to fail to notice that any of this would bother Makino seriously and where Mashiro thought what she was doing was not a big deal. And of course Makino wasn't thinking about what it was like to be stigmatized in the way Mashiro has been since that's totally outside Makino's life experience. It's a very realistic misunderstanding for them to have.

I think it will be easy for them to make up during their next conversation since they can probably see each other's perspective if they're calm and talk about it.