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good question, well, the way I see it is that she wants to stop thinking about Seju the whole time.. given the timing and the flashback in ch 57, you will see Sumin asking Seju not to go to the same university so she will not be thinking about Seju the whole time.
BUT, does she want to stop thinking about her really ?
why does she insist on buying the house so much !

Sumin says and does one thing towards moving on and then do another thing that only shows that she can't!

if Sumin is being manipulated as some would think about Seju's action, then who is keeping Sumin from just walking away from the house !

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Both are symptoms for the same issue: sexual attraction heheheh!
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Anyways, I still want to see Seju and the assasin do it..
I know I am a pervert XD

last edited at Apr 18, 2017 4:14PM

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Seju's comment on how Sumin was in ch8 is just so refreshing ..

Seju's smile was genuine and she looked happy, don't you think? It was the first in a while

It was so genuine.. that's why I liked that scene so much.
Mmmhm.. friendship? I do not feel so, the way Sumin is tensed around Seju does not look like it.. she does not stop a flirt decently for two chapters now.
Seju knows, that's why she reminds Sumin of Ch8 scene.
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Sumin lying to Sungji and telling her they will be in separated rooms all the time is another thing I dont understand.
If the relationship between Sumin and Sungji will strengthen more.. then we would have seen a better communication to solve the trust issues between them.. instead of a miserable trial of showing lack of interest in Seju's body.
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I saw ur edit, exactly what I thought.. the story is ending in where it started off.

last edited at Apr 18, 2017 3:41PM

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I think I like it more if Sumin said "I don't want to trust her, but I end up trusting her." I really don't get how that could be the case for Sungji.

No,
Sumin says: but do you trust me?
Sungji: I dont want to trust you but I end up trusting u.
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Sungji said she doesnt trust Ms. Baek.

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Seju's comment on how Sumin was in ch8 is just so refreshing ..
I am glad to see her toying Sumin a bit.
Also glad to see Sungji expressing her anger and not hide everything under the rug as she normally do .
I wonder tho why Sungji cares about the new Team Leader's gender!

last edited at Apr 18, 2017 3:19PM

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I was reading the official translation of Ch 77, during Sungji/Sumin bed talk
Sungji: I don't trust Ms.Baek
Sumin: but you trust me?
Sungji: I dont want to, but I end up trusting you.
The convo goes ..
Then Sumin says: it might even be my fault that Seju doesnot have anyone else to rely on.
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I thought these lines are important and were mistranslated.

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Heheheh, well as far as I understood, Seju is teasing and Sumin has already crossed so many lines

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From the pics online, it seems that Sumin is back to dancing on both ships now !

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I agree with roamsl about the same flashback.
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and I agree that in general, whenever Sumin and Seju interact, you could easily sense their emotion and their deep connection in many levels, even at the beginning with the sex scene in ch2.. the conversation they had in ch74.. these connections are deep in both, flashbacks and in the present.
I keep saying that I would love to see a justified ending, if Sumin and Sung would continue together, I would love to see their connection gets deeper instead of Sumin being in relationship with Sungji but emotionally trapped with Seju.. that would lead the story to no where new given Sumin's history

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nguyen_510
I understand the difference between the situations, but I do have an idea on how I feel toward it.. specially in the begining, she never was with a man before, so I went through the possibility of her maybe enjoying being with him.. and in that case it is no longer forced but an actual cheating..
Anyway, even though I knew it was forced, it took me long to heal.
I understand that Seju was drunk (and I still think she was not consentent as many panels suggest) and I also understand the deep insequirities that comes as a lesbian whos partner slept with a man
Maybe that is why Sumin was taking revenge by sleeping with others and let Seju hear the moans..
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Him being a man is not the only or the biggest reason.. but a huge part of the disappointment and shock

last edited at Apr 11, 2017 4:51AM

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Now that I remembered, many lesbians have negative feelings/ hesitation towards dating a bisexual girl even in open minded cultures.
That could say something as well.

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I do.
At least at the moment she found out

last edited at Apr 11, 2017 2:58AM

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nguyen_510
Since u brought up society, even though I live in Europe now, I came of a social back ground that is somewhat very close to the conservative Korean culture, we do not experiment sex with many partners and so is my girl friend .. even if we are in love for many years, she got married to a man by cultural forces .. I did not count it as a cheating.. but it took us both a while to heal.. she is a lesbian, and does not want to have children from him or sexually desired him so I did not feel insecured by him.. if she was attracted to him or had feelings for him, I would never have been able to forgive her no matter what.
Call it double standards or hypocrite.. I can not change how she and I feel towards this matter.
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Now in Sumin/ Seju case, Sumin would have been able to forgive Seju maybe if the scarring did not happen given the reasons you mentined + how they are actually everything to each other in this world .. but then the trauma made her scared for life and truly angry.. I still belive that bcz it is a he, the emotional damage intensifies.
that strap-on scene, brings a very real memory to me in which I could totally understand how she felt that moment.

last edited at Apr 11, 2017 3:11AM

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Just my curiosity:

For lesbians, how much/what is the difference between cheating with a man and cheating with a woman?

It looks like a double standard, I know ..but it can't be helped.
At least I have an idea on how I feel.. it is waaay more shocking with a man and shatters what I know about the other girl (sexual orientaion happens to play a big role of who we are).. the hurt of the cheat intensifies and how I look at the other girl.. it is an image that can not be forgotten.. and the insecurities also becomes a serious issue.. I can never trust her again.. bcz a man can offer many things that I can't.. it insulting as u think u will never satisfy her.. she wants a dick !
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When it is with a girl, in my heart I could find a way to forgive her and even reasons to why she did it and we can try to fix the issues and build a trust again.. if with a man, it is very hard to even sexually desire her ever again

last edited at Apr 10, 2017 5:18PM

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I joined a Facebook group that says very clearly: they are not intrested in ship wars but focus on the Story! (How cool, right!)

DAMN.. I thought the story was directed to Adults.. but I saw there some serious issues and yeah there was no wars bcz they just blindly hate Seju (and the so called "real lesbians") and almost sending Sungji marriage proposals hehehehe... cracked me up, almost looked like high school kind of commentary

last edited at Apr 10, 2017 7:30AM

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One of the mistranslations i was talking about.

Something along the lines of

Sumin: and you can trust me?

Sungji: even though i don't want to trust you i do

ah, that makes a lot more sense now.. Thank you

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thanks a lot :D

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All three characters need therapy. Talking to friends is fine but there is always a bias.

I heard from somewhere else that how Sumin & Seju met will in extra chapters rather than coming up in the main story.

if you have any other information on what they said in the podcast, please post it :D

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we remember that she already stayed the 10 years when she was not even sure how Sumin feels about her - Sumin calls what they have a sex thing in ch50- it is highly unlikely she would give up now that Sumin told her that she loves her..
the timing also plays a viral part, all the shit going on in her life, she would not start from scratch with someone new.. even a friendship is hard because of her personality and current state.
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again, ch27.. she promised to be waiting for Sumin till the day she dies (unlike Sumin, she takes her promises seriously I guess )

last edited at Apr 9, 2017 5:20PM

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On page 8, 2nd block.It was Sumin or Sungji said:"Even though I don' t want to trust her, I do."?
Can anybody tell me,pls.Thnks!

Sungji said it, however, the translation is weird in that line biz it contradicts with what she said in the above panel.. the German translation will be out soon and they may give another translation.. I will post it by then.

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about Seju smiling the whole time,

she has this expression always even when she is being attacked the most , look at ch19, her brothers are having a very mean conversation but she is just smiling..with Nammi also ch 47, ch71 is my fav. example as she attacks back her brothers , ch 74.
this is very consistent with her being an introvert and her "blood type AB", look at the smile she has in ch57 as the elevator door opens, immediately switches to a gracious smile even Sumin is astonished.

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  • also, TG mentioned that they will tell the story of Sumin and Seju first falling in love, we are only 8 chapters away.. how crucial that story is so they kept it till the very end ?

But there's pretty much of it already. I don't think there's more to tell. TG might already be referring to previous chapters?since its coming to an end. But if there is, what is the significance at this point?

I got that information from ppl who knew about the podcast that team Gaji made during the hiatus.. so its pretty safe to say that we will get some more flashbacks.
I wonder as you do about the significance or context in which such a scene is left to the very end.
according to an old Q&A, Sumin and Seju met in a party for children who come from the same background.
(how similar their backgrounds are is also a question mark for me). what I am trying to say, that even if I want to think about endgames, there are a lot missing.. and each piece of information may alter how we feel about either couples.. let alone their "first falling in love" story that was well kept till the very end and so significant that they mention it in a podcast.

  • How Seju wakes up in the next morning is weird, too. Sweat or tear, we dont know, but no one in their right mind could have sweat or tear right after they wake up. And the way she turns her head when there is a knock on the door, she seems to be startled and scared :).

look at the panel again, she turns her head and the "sweat" is there at the same moment the door knocks, the reason I insist on it being a sweat is bcz of:
1- context (door knocking again.. startled, maybe thinks she is the assassin again)
2- very consistent with how the art illustrates sweat.. if it was intended to be a tear I believe they would have made it more obvious like the one in ch52 (last panel), ch 54, ch 75 (when she opens the door, look at the sweat on Seju's face, last page)

I believe there is sth going on in Seju, she's not how she's been appearing and I dont think it's a good thing :)

  • well, yeah.. you know that in any case her staying with Sumin comes from emotional need rather than safety, he brother knows that from the last chapter, he says it as it is to Sumin who also knows that it is not just safety.
  • secondly, I would not be surprised if Seju is staying with Sumin because she worries about her not on her own self.. see in the last chapter she says it to the assassin: I'm not the type to be threaten by something like this. but the assassin tells her that she knows her weak spot -Sumin-.. *she knew that Sumin won't kick her out of the house when she teased Sungji:

1- the deal! Sumin wants to buy the house and that is the condition she "says" in order to let Seju stay.. Seju knows well that Sumin has stake on letting Seju stay.

2- in any case, the house is still Seju's.. how weird will it be when Seju never kicked Sumin out of the house but Sumin would kick Seju from her own house !

last edited at Apr 9, 2017 3:37PM

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I noticed that Sumin at the begining tells Sungji that Seju and she will be in two separate rooms totally.. but then asks Seju to be in the same room that she is in 24/7..
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Anyways.. I like the idea of finally putting Sumin and Seju in one place where they can seriously talk
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I loved how well-composed Seju acted compared to the other two
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In the next morning scene, I think it was a sweat drop, the door knocked again so she was startled given what happened to her last time she opened the door.
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Anyways, Seju has the most amazing bras.. I agree with sia ue Sumin should have let her walk the way she wants !

last edited at Apr 9, 2017 6:27AM

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nora89

Do you still think Sungji letting go is better?

I kinda like Sungji in this chapter esp during bed talk. I hope TG will make us like Sungji more just like he did to seju's character.

Actually, I prefer Sungji over Seju.

as long as they justify it, I would not mind either or even a threesome or non ..

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nora89

Do you still think Sungji letting go is better?

I kinda like Sungji in this chapter esp during bed talk. I hope TG will make us like Sungji more just like he did to seju's character.

good question,

in each chapter my opinion shifts a little bit depending on what additional feelings we get. I would have been very worried if Sungji did not do the bed talk for example. but we still get, however, signals of Sumin and Seju being hard to break still.
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in general though, I do not understand yet why Sungji accepts all the baggage that comes with her relationship to Sumin.. AND how she still works for Seju's company when even Sumin has resigned..
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Note: according to the manhwa's time, the cheating incident happened only 3 weeks ago.. a little too fast to forgive anyone or even pass the after infidelity crisis phase .

  • also, TG mentioned that they will tell the story of Sumin and Seju first falling in love, we are only 8 chapters away.. how crucial that story is so they kept it till the very end ?
  • the assassin probably did not only research Seju's life but also her family members', I guess that she knows far more information that even Seju doesn't wouldn't it be interesting to see another confrontation between the two ?

last edited at Apr 8, 2017 8:11PM