If you wanted to trigger someone's PTSD, you can probably find lots of ways to do this where that would not be ridiculous for them to react that way. Some other people (ie not you) actually do enjoy tormenting mentally ill people, who are also people who may be isolated and otherwise benefit a lot from online communities.

This, while being unrelated to anything you did, disproves that people should say what they want if it's online. Whether online or not, we have to be thinking about the consequences of speech, while hopefully still allowing for freedom of thought as much as possible.

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I suppose I had the opposite experience in that I had someone ignoring my vulnerabilities, making various promises to me that were not actually possible to keep, and then having that end really badly for me in a way where I could not be alive if I had made slightly different choices. This helped me in the end, but in a more literal "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" way.

I don't blame this person because I think she believed this would be the best way to help me, while I knew enough to make my own decisions. Still, I think caution is warranted and would not want to date someone who entirely lacked a support network other than myself. I would want to help them start establishing a support network that could persist past a romantic relationship instead. This is a different factor than mental health per se, as I would not mind dating someone with even a 'serious' psychiatric diagnosis.

Other conclusions could be made, but, with Io's situation being very extreme, the chance of something like this ending well in real life would be quite low.

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I appreciate everyone's understanding. I want for people to feel comfortable continuing to share their unique perspectives, with even the pants discourse leading to people sharing insights about the story. My own conduct is still clearly lacking when I express that in a way where I am condescending or not properly listening to others. So I must assume my own blame as far as that goes.

And isn't internet a place letting people say whatever they want? As long as they don't insult users, l can't see any wrong of it. I saw some users here had made post making others feel rude and condescending. Why are you only aiming at me? Because l hate Erika? Well, that would never change ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

Well, not strictly. Some of what people want to say could be a crime, like organizing a group to murder me would be, while other choices could have a bad impact on others like triggering someone's PTSD. I'm intentionally using examples you haven't done to make a broader point.

That said, I understand why people would have a strong reaction to being able to change Erika's face with a man's. Even if your real position is "I would otherwise accept Erika's character design on a male character and I find it strange that the fashionable model has only worn a skirt as part of a costume" (I'm like 90% sure you think this), a reader could misunderstand the phrasing you used. The reader could also be a woman who has been judged harshly for their clothing choices, which typically leads to feeling defensive. This person would be less uncomfortable and more receptive to what you want to say if you made it clear you aren't one who likes to police how women dress.

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I do agree with Io making choices for herself is progress and would not want to be in charge of Io's choices if she were real. Someone not knowing what's best for themselves I don't see as that controversial. It's very possible for any of us to misjudge this and some people have a worse track record than others. The problem is using someone's lack of knowledge as an excuse to control their life or to call their autonomy into question, which I am not worried about happening with Io since she isn't real.

Of course my words could lead to a reader wanting to control a real person who reminds them of Io. This would be a much bigger issue I hadn't been keeping in mind, but, Gabinomicon, I think you have adequately disclaimed everything. My position here is still Misa is only good for Io relative to Io's terrible situation and that a great number of Io's choices are self destructive in a way that's been intentionally hidden from her by Hase and her mother.

Edit: I would also like to point out that recognizing when someone isn't in a good mental space to make a choice is part of being responsible. This is why eg as an adult you don't date a teenager even if the teenager is really into the idea and the one pursuing you. Some situations are more legal but not really safer. I would likely not date someone as isolated and traumatized as Io, even if that person wanted to date me. My conclusion would be that what she really needs is a friend, especially one who is an outside influence and will stick with her past her mom's machinations. This would be thinking I know better than Io's analogue, but I would be expressing it through altering my own behavior rather than through trying to control theirs.

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@Gabinomicon

A comparison that, notably, was about finding Misa better than Hase. Regardless of anyone's subjective opinions, Io right now definitely sees them as different and sees Misa as far better, and it's her opinion that matters most wrt if a lover is "good for her". 


The comparison I meant was Io saying: “After I finally managed to get away from Hase san, why would you do something like this too, Misa-san?” Not a very favorable comparison.

We also frequently see Io blushing and similar while being bossed around by Hase, while they have similar aloof, cold demeanors. Misa seems to be aware of the similarities between herself and Hase, making her feel insecure.

It is still true that Io chose Misa and had no hesitation or doubt in doing so, instead saying that it’s because it’s Misa that she’s willing to be obedient. Misa herself is not convinced, fearing that Io is with her out of desperation. The reality appears more complicated.

Misa and Io have both crossed major lines with each other, lines that would be understandable if treated as "unforgivable" by the characters. But they've thus far forgiven each other for these crossed lines, due to the attention and care they give to each other that makes it clear they don't want to violate or hurt each other. They make mistakes, they notice the negative response, they apologize and strive to treat the other better. I think that's pretty sweet, personally. :)

Misa’s supposed remorse has not been very persuasive to me. She sometimes expresses that her actions are wrong, but she continues to do them. For example, she assaulted or attempted to assault Io at least three times. She ignored Io being uncomfortable with sexual acts in public settings three times: initially in the pickup club when Io felt like curtains were insufficient, a second time in the pickup club outside the curtains, and in the latest chapters.

At points she appears more concerned about social consequences, like when she says that seeing Io is a one-time thing so “if she wakes up, then she wakes up.” Rather than properly apologizing to Io when she finds out Io was awake, her first impulse is to think Io is there to criticize her and to get annoyed.

With the latest chapters, I am pretty sure she actually feels bad, but I don’t think she has learned her lesson in any meaningful way. It’s more likely she repeats her supposed mistakes, given her past behavior, and her understanding of her wrongdoing seems limited to thinking that she needed to take it down a notch.

In contrast, Io hasn’t done anything that bad. Running after someone you see in a crowd because you’re excited to see them again is a nonissue to me. The “stalking” by showing up at Misa’s club at least followed Misa’s request not to come back to Misa’s apartment. This wouldn’t be a very believable misunderstanding from most people, but we know it is with Io. Even if Io needs much explained like you would with a child, she doesn’t repeat a mistake like this after realizing it was wrong.

@SrNevik

Given her past actions and decisions, I don't have much confidence in her judgment about what's "good for her." I understand your point, but I don't see her as a reliable narrator or decision-maker—which seems central to her issues. How she judges these people or these situations is not high on my value chart. I am with thechampionmike95 on this one. Neither woman is presented well here and Misa is only "good for Io" because she has worse actors across from her. I guess the "lesser of two (or three?) evils" wins out though.

Io not knowing what’s good for her is a foundational aspect of her character, I would say. In addition to Io’s young age and lack of experience, she has been made to associate some very destructive behaviors with love and care. This is part of what draws her to Misa in the first place when she could be finding more responsible sadists. The story is set up in the way where Misa is nonetheless her only chance, as otherwise, Io would be completely isolated. Misa is also trying to teach Io to set boundaries with people who aren’t Misa, which is more than anyone else is doing. I would say Misa has been a net positive influence on Io.

Misa meanwhile had given up on love and, while admired by many like Io, appears to not have any non-superficial friends. In that sense, Misa is also very isolated, with Io being her only real emotional connection. Misa protects her public reputation, but not many people besides Io would be willing to accept Misa’s limitations after finding out about them. This makes it easy for me to root for them as a couple. In real life, they would be better off as friends at best, but story wise there is lots of potential for their relationship to develop in both positive and negative ways. Also lots of potential for more crying Io scenes, but we can pretend that’s not why I’m here.

Because it was my turn to misunderstand someone, clearly. I missed that sentence, so the first time I thought it was referenced was Aikosaurus posting a disagreement to me. Though rosetammy has since acknowledged the reality of women's pants.

Apologies if I came across as scolding, in any case. I can go sit in a corner and scold myself instead.

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I feel like I need to point out no one actually said they think Erika dresses like a man. Just in case anyone is still not getting this. I love you all, but this has to be the most high strung discussion of a comic I've seen.

Rosetammy25 might think skirts are more feminine than pants (they are if by feminine you mean "clothing men don't typically wear," rather than "clothing seen as normatively appropriate for women" like I did), but that's pretty far from saying a woman who wears women's pants is dressing like a man. And Aikosaurus thought I was stereotyping Japanese attitudes as medievally regressive, rather than stating my own attitude.

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@Aikosaurus

Sorry, I misinterpreted the word precluding indeed.

No problem, this is a thread where we take turns misunderstanding each other.

@rosetammy25

I know there's pants only for the ladies but why Erika never dressed in skirt…

My guess is that, in addition to possibly being known for a type of image, skirts are associated with looking "mature" due to being more common in past times. "Mature" quickly becomes "stuffy" for a younger person trying to look fashionable, while 21 is still fairly young when you get down to it.

Pants also tend to be more practical, so sticking with them when you don't have a compelling reason not to seems understandable to me. Maybe we'll see Erika in a skirt eventually, like in a photo shoot or when she needs to be more formal.

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I think you are misunderstanding me. I am saying that to me being normatively feminine can involve pants, rather than precluding ("precluding" means "not being possible with") pants. Therefore pants being acceptable doesn't show a lack of pressure to dress femininely as I define the word.

I am also saying I wouldn't mind if we used some other word than feminine to describe the standards around what's seen as the proper way for women to dress.

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I guess my standards for "femininely" aren't so strict as to preclude pants, so we can go with another word if we want. Implying women in Japan don't wear due to the supposedly alien culture was the type of thing I was wanting to avoid, but I do have the impression that beauty standards are somewhat stricter.

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Well, that goes to show we shouldn't be making assumptions is never a good idea, while making inflammatory comments about other posters is a bad idea except when it ends up leading to interesting discussion in a thread that would otherwise have languished.

Childish might be going a bit far for Koto to me (maybe because I dress like that lol), but she does dress very simply, like a stereotypical college student I suppose. The exception is the planetarium date with Aya when she was dressing more stylishly. That means she knows how to do it and simply doesn't bother, which is indeed very different from Erika.

I think there's also more pressure for women to dress femininely in Japan, so it might be a bigger departure there. I might be misunderstanding though. I don't mean to be one of the people exaggerating 'cultural differences' like often happens on here.

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I would say she is better than the manager in some ways. The manager is mostly only concerned about Io's ability to be professionally useful, while we have been shown Misa thinking of Io's emotional well being at various points. Not exactly a high bar, but the manager/Hase and Io's mom both fail to meet it.

We did get Io directly comparing her to the manager last chapter, so I think the similarities between them are intentional. Misa has been committing crimes since the beginning (eg, thinking Io being drunk and almost passed out is 'her chance' even before the hotel assault). Io likes it partially because she was raised to have a poor sense of boundaries. Essentially we're getting a series about two people who are in a very bad place emotionally and are experiencing closeness in the only way they know how, with it likely to get worse in many ways from here.

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Technically she her chronological age is objectively 21 since it's been 21 years since she was born, but she is not biologically or mentally 21. Kind of like someone who's been put in cryostasis. If you're trying to establish how long it's been since a person was born then you are wanting the chronological age.

Normally we never need to decouple these concepts, so it's confusing to think about. I at first thought '21 year old Aya' was the result having written the wrong name.

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I wouldn’t say you’re exactly wrong. But as we see, when Aya flees from Koto’s house, she has nowhere to go except to Erika’s. She has to negotiate looking much younger than her chronological age (telling her co-workers she’s 17 when she’s “really” (whatever that means in this context) 21. She’s far behind her (supposed) age cohort in education/work experience.

Most relevantly, Koto and Erika both go back and forth between regarding her (and themselves) as being in the same relation they all were in middle school and coming to terms with the present reality.

I certainly agree their relationship is different, with Aya needing more material support than the other two (but Erika/Koto being much more in need of emotional support). That's true despite it being the same level of support Aya needed before. She nonetheless is solving these issues very quickly and not dependent on any one person, merely accepting assistance from various people who are also getting something out of it.

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Personally I see Aya as having been pretty consistent, with the others' viewpoint of Aya changing having more to do with them than Aya herself. This has been a very short amount of time for Aya. Aya is of course also changing, but if anything she is more independent and successful than past Aya. She has a respectable job, independent housing, a pro acting gig, and is continuing with her education.

Of course, as I said, I think this is because she is neglecting other areas of her emotional development, but this is another factor in common with past Aya.

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That's also an interesting observation. We know Erika is now a pro actor and that she has 7 years of hiding her feelings from Koto. Her having some commonalities with Aya makes sense. We even see Erika smiling when Aya asks who she likes and says that whoever it is would reciprocate if Erika asks, which would be enough to for many people to start crying or get visibly angry.

To some extent, it is maturity to be able to recognize the right thing to do and be the adult in the room, even when you aren't feeling it. Child Erika wouldn't have been able to do that, even if she had wanted so. There's still a certain degree of fakeness if someone can't extend that level of care to themselves, which fits with Erika being self hating. She is depressed but trying to keep up appearances for reasons that aren't completely clear, other than wanting to keep her job and not be homeless. Likely wanting to support Koto and to hide her guilt / perceived wrong doings both factor into it.

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@Blastaar

I think it’s fascinating the way that people keep conflating the past characters with their present selves, when in some respects they’ve been transformed, while also retaining much of their youthful personalities.

In fact, creating that confusing effect on readers is the only purpose I can think of for the whole supernatural premise in the first place.

The supernatural aspect is what allows one of those three people to have been exactly the same as the past, while the other two have changed. That is really the the unique hook of the series. They then have to reevaluate their viewpoints of each other to account not only for changes, but also misjudgements in the past or developments from ongoing dynamics in the present. Otherwise, this would be a more standard school love triangle.

This is a very interesting way to portray the theme of 'seeing people as they really are', which must be done not only one time but moment to moment. This is also probably why we have so many different interpretations of the characters: people are confusing, contradictory, and often have more going on than it seems at first.

Much like with life, figuring out the truth is difficult. It's much easier to pigeon hole people into a simplified narrative, especially if we can pick one and identify that person with the chosen narrative forever. If people want to do that with the characters in the story, it shows the author has succeeded in capturing an aspect of reality.

@Genevieve

It would be less interesting and unsurprising if it turns out Aya is exactly the ideal person Koto and Erika have been thinking she is. To think the story keeps telling us Aya is really a good actor. I do believe main of the reason she's so good at acting is due to her daily life practicing.

I don't know how many people have noticed but it's Aya's first time to confess her real thoughts in chapter 15. One of her biggest flaw, Aya couldn't just say how she really feels. When she said "Koto, you are able to say how you feel" , she actually mean it lol. Maybe she always considered Koto a far more courageous people than her. It also can explain why Aya chose to break up with Koto.

I forgot when Aya said this, but it's all the way back in chapter 1. This is a good observation. Aya is especially good at portraying a poker face while giving people space to say or do what they want. That can give the appearance that she is more above negative emotions or more aloof than she actually is. She is not really ever dishonest from what we've seen, so she isn't acting in that sense, but she often likes to keep her true feelings and motivations private while the people around her are emoting.

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This is mostly just a feeling, but I think where we're going is that Aya is more selfish than she seems and Erika less selfish than she seems. The conclusion will be that they were both regular people all along, compared to the pedestal Aya was put on by Erika/Koto or Erika's self hate.

The reading of Aya as remarkable and selfless doesn't totally fit to me. She made Koto confess multiple times before giving an answer, she seems to have been testing Koto to see if Koto would still love her (even later thinking, this isn't the love I was looking for or something like that, rather than that being in a relationship like that would be bad for Koto), she was relieved her only surviving family member was dead, and she may have had some role in her disappearance.

This to me reads like someone who is afraid of commitment and emotionally stunted in some ways. This makes sense if we think of her as someone who had to 'grow up fast' to meet her responsibilities and never got to have a typical childhood. A child like that will seem mature relative to other kids who are goofing off, but they can only meet those obligations by neglecting other areas of their life. This would explain her past desire to escape and be free, as she would have felt burdened by all the expectations she had to meet.

It would also explain why she's so disturbed by any hint she's being treated like a child. She can live independently, work a professional job, and more, but she can't give herself permission to be weak or vulnerable. She also hates being reliant on support by others, even though everyone must depend on others even as an adult.

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I got another prediction with this. Chapter 7 near the beginning, Waka (Misa's coworker who wants to be #1) saw Misa with Io and looks very closely at them while Misa comforts Io. This is after the manager/Hase interrupts Io's masturbation.

Waka knows Misa well enough to know that someone relying on her like that is atypical, so they must have some special relationship. It wouldn't be surprising if she noticed something was up when Io peed herself and washed herself at the club, as we would expect her to be observing Misa closely as her rival. It also would be unsurprising if she notices other meetings or interactions between them.

This is a very good in for Hase to mess with Misa. They could try to blackmail Misa with information like that Misa has gone to the pickup club, which was stated to be problematic if the clients found out. It could also be something else. Since it doesn't take much to think that reaching out to the ambitious #2 is the best potential ally, we have a likely future alliance here. That could come up as soon as the next chapter. Enough time was spent on Waka to signal that she will have some role other than pouting in the background.

Honestly, Misa would be fine in some other job, even if her income decreases. She knows she can't stay in that job forever and she's more than capable of working in pretty much any hospitality work. However, this is still good material for guilting Io. They could also make things hard for Misa by leaking her former hostess work to future employers, though I'm sure Misa could find employment in some form.

Misa's only leverage would be messing up Io's career by leaking her own relationship to Io, which would cause problems for both of them. She will likely come up with something, but I'm not sure what specifically. It would be funny if she became Io's manager (she can't be worse than the current mom and manager) to solve both problems, but there's the obvious issue of an ex hostess ruining Io's image.

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The school is not giving you the role you want, but the role you need. That's all.

That's an idea, but does Hanako (or anyone) "need" to be a seductress?

This is a series about an all girls school being uploaded to dynasty, so clearly.

Though more seriously, having people who can act outside established social dynamics and norms actually is helpful, as otherwise people can become shackled by them or fail to understand how they're limiting their conception of what's possible.

This doesn't mean being a seductress per se (and I think her role is more general than that), but some stereotypical traits of one could be positive in some situations with some people.

This is all child Erika, which I avoided talking about. I think it's clear she was something of an ass as a child, but largely meant well. Whatever she did with Aya was different enough than her regular behavior that it's tormented her this long. Aya herself has commented on how different and how much more responsible Erika is as an adult.

Oh. Has this different and much more responsible adult Erika ever think of apologizing to Aya of what she did to her seven years ago?

No idea, but considering Aya doesn't remember it doesn't seem clear what purpose the apology would serve. Something for us to watch in future chapters. We don't know what Erika would have said if Aya remembered, which Erika did check.

See Fuyuki from There Is No Love Wishing Upon a Star, that's what you should do for your love one. You want them to be happy. Erika only wants her own happiness even as an adult.

I haven't read that one, but I agree in principle that this is the best way to proceed. I also would like that, when insects bite me, I freely offer my de facto limitless supply of blood to these hungry beings. However, I must admit my actual internal response is often resentment. Other people would actually swat them (and sometimes me, if I am letting a mosquito bite me) and I don't hate these people. Working with these kinds of feelings is part of the human condition.

I don't agree Erika only wants her own happiness, though I think most people are primarily motivated by their own happiness. This is why eg empathy is a foundational part of the human social structure (unlike, say, baboons that do well with very little empathy for each other). One's own happiness gets linked to other's well being through the empathetic response, leading to pro social behavior. This is what seems to be going on with Erika to me. If she was unimpacted by Koto's suffering, she likely could have dated Koto for life.

In that sense, to me Erika is neither especially impressive or especially worth of criticism. She is someone very ordinary in an extraordinary situation who engages in a lot of self criticism as a result.

Erika is the murder despite not being her real intention. She led to Aya's disappearance which literally killed middle schooler Koto, the girl who had everything written on her face was also gone with Aya. Have you ever think how a lovely couple Koto and Aya would be if Aya didn't get spirited away? To think my girl do everything she can managed to date the girl of her dream (while Erika doing nothing but blaming Aya for stealing her Koto lol), then losing it out of nowhere all thanks to fucking Erika.

The fundamental issue here to me is that Erika would not have known any of this in advance. Let's say that, as a child, she had actually killed Koto (by which, I literally mean literally), but without knowing or intending that Koto would die. Then she felt tormented by guilt for an entire decade. That would seem like a tragedy, but I wouldn't view her the same as as an an adult committing first degree murder.

A lot of the rest of this is assumptions, eg we don't know the full reason for why Aya disappeared, how their relationship would have gone, etc. The important factor however is that neither did Erika, a child with a limited life experience who did not have all information in the comic.

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Erika is already suck as hell considering she can't give her approval towards her two best friends relationship. Not only that, she went fighting Aya for daring to accept Koto's confession while she did nothing to tell Koto her feeling, showing she's biggest jerk as their friend. Ofc, there would be explanations from the author telling us Erika is a normal human being thus making mistakes lol. I think l will not be surprised. Just hope one day Koto and Aya can cut off this selfish snake.

This is all child Erika, which I avoided talking about. I think it's clear she was something of an ass as a child, but largely meant well. Whatever she did with Aya was different enough than her regular behavior that it's tormented her this long. Aya herself has commented on how different and how much more responsible Erika is as an adult.

I also don't think not giving your friends your blessing for their relationship when you like one of them is really that bad. Sure, the kindest person would want to give it if circumstances allowed (healthy relationship, not an adult dating a child, etc), but this is a really high standard. Many of us were not there as teenagers. Some of us harbor these kinds of thoughts as adults, but hopefully manage to keep it to ourselves and not act on it.

If you see not giving the blessing as an irredeemable sin then I think you need to say a lot more about what the basis of your morals are and how this goes in conflict with them in an unforgivable way. At least, if you want us to understand you need to do that, given that it's not at the level of something obvious like murder. I do get you have strong feelings. My own life experience thus far has not led to me having strong emotions about Erika.

Yeah, Koto and Erika are similar in that way. The difference is that for Koto it happened with no explanation, so she doesn't blame herself like Erika does. That's why she attempted to date other people. The shock of suddenly losing Aya still made it too hard for her to move on or feel comfortable with any other person, which she likely wouldn't if Aya had broken up with her instead.

"Another way to read Erika’s attitude is that she knows there’s no possibility of a romantic relationship as long as there’s an Aya-shaped hole in Koto’s heart, rather than it being about her feelings of “deserving” Koto’s love."

We do know this is part of her motivation since she essentially said it, but, if she didn't blame herself for Koto's situation, it would still be far easier to find someone else who she wouldn't have this issue with. If Erika subconsciously feels like she can't go off and be happy with someone else while Koto is traumatized then this explains not moving on very well.

If Koto eg was in a happy and fulfilling relationship that led to marriage then I don't think Erika would be hanging around waiting for an unlikely divorce, but her emotions are trapped 7 years ago because Koto's are. Ultimately we will need more chapters before we know if I'm right about this, of course.

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Maybe someday people on internet forums will be as Aya to each other as Aya is to Koto and Erika.

Though yeah, I do think Erika likely did something bad, given how guilty she is. She doesn't seem like someone who would hardcore blame and punish herself like that for so long for no reason. She's also likely missing information, so it may not be as bad as she thinks, but likely still bad enough to be interesting.

A lot of her "selfish" behavior as an adult is actually pretty reasonable (eg, an adult dating a child is probably a bad idea and something to discourage, it's good to help Aya adjust and make new connections, etc). Even if she has ulterior motives, that's not a reason for her to not do the right thing. We won't really know about her current ethicality until that comes into conflict with her ulterior motives. At that point she'll have to pick one to prioritize, which is when we will see her true colors.

I've said already that I think her true goal is healing Koto and that she doesn't feel like she deserves to even consider dating someone else while Koto is like this. Normally you would move on after that long, no matter how much you liked someone as a kid. Her sense of guilt is the only explanation we currently have for why she hasn't. Even if it turns out to be something else, the author is a good enough writer that there is likely some explanation other than Erika just sucking.

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I find it confusing you would doubt this since it would be a strange thing for me to lie about on the internet.

In my case, it was local anesthesia (lidocaine iirc) so yes, I was moving around normally. I had numbness directly after, but it faded quickly. I wasn't talking a lot, but I'm the type of person who spends their free time posting on a web 1.0 style forum discussing fringe comics. I talked my typical amount and in fact more than I did today.

We know MCs teeth were more problematic than mine for the reasons you pointed out, but I don't find it that unbelievable that she could take these actions later in the day. People have different pain tolerances and different responses to anesthesia, while we can surmise her procedure was was not very invasive precisely because she could take these actions. Though the dentist may criticize her some for not resting more, especially since not drinking alcohol was something she was specifically instructed not to do.

Edit: There was also one time I had general anesthesia for a different procedure, went to a restaurant, and had spicy Thai food afterward with no ill effect. I was more out of it than with lidocaine, but not to the extent an outsider observer would notice. It give you an idea of what is possible in these types of scenarios. Obviously it's not going to be like this all the time or for all people. I have seen a family member have a far worse response to anesthesia, actually for wisdom tooth removal. Now that I'm older general anesthesia does seem to be a bit harder on me as well. My point is that this varies.

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