There are undoubtedly going to be moral problems with the couple this author is going for.

As many of you have voiced out, we know it is morally wrong to pursue a relationship with a huge age gap and to take advantage of a reasonably very young girl who doesn't even know what sex is. This is just a situational context that the author has chosen to bring out certain feelings of the reader. We're too overly concerned about the rape (yes we know how wrong it is) and try to look at what the mangaka is trying to make us feel, which is the undeniable attraction between Jinno and Kousaka, the forbiddeness of their relationship and how are they crossing the barriers to have their romantic relationship blossom and work out for each other.

Afterwall, a work is meant to be experienced, I guess? You can love the progress of them getting together and overcoming those age barriers and morality wrongness, but yet, you can choose to not support the idea at the same time.

I could get behind the whole "forbidden love" thing. But, did Kousaka-san, and Jinno-san's first time have to be a blatant rape scene? And, did Jinno -san have to act like a rape victom afterwards? It's hard to sigh at a forbidden love realised, when all you can do is think "I should call the special victoms unit"

auikimaya posted:

It's only okay when Murciélago portrays similar themes, gals. Move on, nothing to see other than forced moral talk over here.

Nobody is saying Murcielago is ok in portrarying sexual violence. In fact, pretty much every action in that manga can be summed up with "This is extremely fucked up, we know".

Here tho, we have an adult woman grooming and raping a young girl, too young and too naive to even give consent, and the artist seems to be trying to portray it with romantic undertones. Like this is supposed to be something to support. And no

Wait wait wait, so the author was supposed to draw the adult woman with an evil smile, horns and stuff like that? like "HEY THIS IS THE BAD PERSON HERE! DON'T DO THIS IS BAAAD" and the girl with tears and scratches? like, there's sex with flowers and sugar and then there's demonic sex and the author is in obligation to demonstrate the difference every time, because this isn't a manga story, is sex education, a psychological example of a bad encounter? well no... Why can't you just use the same excuse of Murcielago and accept this for what it is? do you avoid every violence action or sexual behavior en manga/anime? you want every story to be about good people having a good time? sorry for all the questions, my point is, this is a story, it doesn't have to be black or white, it doesn't have to suit your sense of morals or your tastes at all, is just telling certain event, whatever the characters feel is not for us to decide and if they end up together is not the author saying "Yeah I support rape" she/he just wanted to tell a story.

Rape is bad? Of course, I think I speak for everyone here when I say that.
Rape is bad therefore there shouldn't be any stories portraying such action? Well, no.

Seriously, I think if any of the people complaining had to make the chapter 3 it would be "Hello, police? yeah I want to report something ... [The End]"

PS: If you want to know the ending just look for the raws somewhere else and keep it to yourself geez

People are upset that rape is being used in such a casual manner. A 30yr old woman had unconsenting sex with a 13yr old girl. and the story is treating it as if it's just the woman's way of helping the girl grow up. That's a little hard to accept. It doesn't help that Jinno-san is acting like a traumatized rape victom. I think that this is meant to be a coming of age love story, but it's hard to take it that way.
I'm not as offended as some readers, but I see where they are coming from. Alot of manga treat rape too casually. Sometimes I get the idea that the japanese think rape is no big deal.

I think there are a number of factors contributing to this feeling like rape, in addition to the girl being 13 and the adult being 30 something. Her behavior is... creepy to say the least. She doesn't appear to want anything to do with adults. I wonder if the author is aware of just how creepy she's made Kousaka-san. Also even if Jinno-san understood what was going on... In Japan she's not at the age of consent. It's rape any way you slice it.

Yeah your right, it's rape no matter how you slice it. I would just feel better, if Jinno-san at least understood and consented. Even if the consent meant nothing legaly.

Geeze. I wish they would post these comments, latest to earliest.

The story seems to be treating what happaned as okay. Like Kousaka-san is just showing Jinno-san a path to adulthood. What Kousaka-san did is.... well rape. There is really no getting around it. I think I would be cool with what happaned between Kousaka-san and Jinno-san, if Jinno-san had understood what was happening and gave permission, but this is hard to swallow. I always want to root for yuri love. Sometimes the story makes it hard to. though.

So what if this story gets real, and delves into really dark places. I've read my share of lesbian stories. They are not all rainbows and kittens, and they don't all have happy endings. Some of them were so hard to take I threw the book across the room (or I would have, if I wasn't reading them on my tablet.). Those were the ones that made me think the most, and stuck with me the longest, though.

Am I the only one who actually likes this story

Well, probably not; I at least respond less negatively and am more interested in seeing what happens than some others evidently are.

But there's no doubt that this comes off as a more toxic version of Dear My Teacher with a much more disturbing undertone to the younger character's actions and the teacher's responses to them.

So where DMT started off with the MCs both seeming a bit damaged or emotionally incomplete and eventually coming to a pretty healthy place together, this one feels like sooner or later the plot is going to turn over some rocks with some very nasty things underneath them.

But I'm a person who focuses on the question "What are the elements any given story is deploying, and how are they going to work themselves out?" For readers for whom the main question is "Do I like/respect/relate to/want to spend more time with these characters?" there's arguably not much to like and a good deal to dislike.

I wouldn't use the words like or dislike, when dealing with this story, or it's characters. I would say I'm more intrigued by them. Your probably right. there will most likely be some pretty nasty psychological issues to deal with. But I feel, that by the end of it the MCs will heal and grow.
Honestly the only real problem I have with story is why the authors chose to make Madarame-san a middle school student. If she was a high school student I could safely root for the MCs to grow together, and eventually became a couple. As it is, I want to root for yuri, but my conscience wont let me.

Um Aoi-san just a quick production note, for page 12. There is absolutely nothing sexy about the the phrase "wet discharge".

and not some perv guy writing out some hentai fantasy.

Girls can't be perv? Isn't Mira a woman who does some of the best perverted hentai on this website ٩(♡ε♡)۶

If Mira isn't a woman, I know more private example and stuff.

Heck yeah girls can be pervs! For some reason, I find women's pery stories much more... lets go with acceptable. Besides an man writing about inappropriate relationships between girls, seems wrong to me, somehow.

I think Mira is actually a collection of authors working under a single banner. But don't quote my on that.

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Is it weird that I'm okay with the teacher / middle school student hook up, because they're both girls, and they're writen by an actual women author, and not some perv guy writing out some hentai fantasy.

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Ah man. I think I'm going to bail on this one. It made me, all kinds of uncomfortable. It's one thing for a character to have an ambiguous loli attraction. It's quite another for a character, to be a blatant petophile. I tend to overlook yuri perv characters, especially if they were written by female authors This one might be to much.

So, Jinno-san is so young and naive, that she didn't even know what sex was. I thought this was going to be warm coming of age story, but it keeps going in a direction, that I'm not entirely comfortable with.

Wow, Touma-kun is like training wheels, for love and sex, for these girls.

I have no clue what you are trying to get at. Nothing in those pages says anything about why they have arranged marriages. Arranged marriages are not even brought up until the very last line.

Given how the two of them talk about the whole thing, they're totally resigned to being betrothed to people other than the one they love. That's arranged marriage right in the face of it, and it's somewhat difficult to see why their families would brother with the whole thing if there weren't practical (ie. economic and strategic) reasons to. And from Sayuri's comment, plus the presumably solidly middle-class Kohane's bewilderment, we know that's something particular to and not uncommon for wealthy upper-class families.
Ie. political marriages between powerful clans.

The stumbling block was literally put in place because of the sexes. Daughters couldnt inherit so they would be wed into another house to form an alliance. Families of only daughters were doomed to die unless they got lucky and were able to adopt the second or third son of another house. If daughters can inherit then who gets adopted into which family? Who gets the inheritence? Its a system built around the patriarchy, remove the patriarch and the system fails.

You're forgetting that the marriage itself forms a certain bond between the two families. This was often the primary purpose of historical political marriages, the whole inheritance shebang often being somewhat secondary or causing problems further down the road (due to inconveniently inherited claims) - or in some contexts all but irrelevant depending on how the relevant laws and customs happened to work.
It's alliance building by the admittedly somewhat primitive but relatively effective expedient of binding the families together by means of marriage and, eventually, children. (Actual track record of those ties has been... patchy to say at least, but practical substitutes have been few and far between.)

I think you guys are over thinking this. I'm fairly sure the author was just using the arranged marriage trope as a convenient way to create forbidden love sub plots. I don't think the author even gave, the social economic reasons behind arranged marriages, in an all women world, a single thought. Then again, I could be wrong. The author apparently came up with a surprisingly elaborate back story, for this world. Maybe the reasons, for the arranged marriages, come out during the story.

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I was not expecting arranged marriage to show up in this manga. Maybe I should've.

Nice to see some remanents, of the old patriarchy, still survive.

Also, it really does seem like the story is heading toward an Aoi x Kohane ending at this point, but it's got a lot of work ahead of it to get there from here.

Man even in yuri, the bad boy(girl) trope, where the broken one gets the girl, is a thing. CURSE YOU BAD BOY TROPE!!! We have got to stop encouraging girls, to try and save emotionally damaged hot guys, with their love.

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It seemed more like sexual assault and verbal abuse to me, not rape. I don't think Aoi really tried to impregnate or deflower her. Felt more like a crude power play to intimidate Kohane. Maybe the garden or something different in this school is messing with their brains. :o The author already hints that something might be off.

I know people get triggered easily, but still...As someone who knows victims and almost got thrown into something nasty myself, I'd like it if people would think before they throw the word "rape" around.

Oh, so it was only a sexual assault, to assert dominance. That's totally different from rape. Man we were totally over reacting.

A world of all women, has great potential. It's a one stop shop for uplifting yuri friendships, and passionate yuri romance.
With that said. I find it uncomfortable, how casual, a lot of manga take sexual assault. I don't want to be "that guy", but I can't help thinking the japanese have an unhealthy idea that rape is no big deal.

Man, Hishikawa is a complete perv. She sure makes it hard to root for her. What's the big deal with seeing a girl's underwear, anyway?

I thought this was going to be a straight forward, cute piece, It's shaping up to be a surprisingly complicated, and slightly dark story, though.

I'm liking the post gender apocalypse anatomy lessons. Even if they are a tad heavy handed. I especially liked Kohane accidentally opening her anatomy book, during her history lesson. That was cute.
So many stories, with women only worlds, leave reproduction an abstract concept. It's nice to see a more clinical approach, for a change. I'm a nerd at heart, after all.
The only thing I didn't like, was the fact that size determines who gets pregnant. It allows a pseudo male/female dynamic, to develop within the relationship. Plus it reminds my of spiders. I would have preferred, if who got pregnant was based on which girl was fertile at the time. Maybe making it possible for both girls to get pregnant at the same time.

It would be annoying to have a string tied to my finger for the rest of my life.

This story is right on the border, between cute and creepy. Seriously, I feel like I might end up on some government watched list, just reading it.

The couple who were in the real-life manga about being married and having a child eventually divorced. So, at some point, Japanese yuri will also have divorce themes.

spoiler please

I was greatly sadden whe I read about that break up. It was a blow to my faith in yuri love.

I read a pair of books, by A. E. Dooland. They where about an Asian living in Australia, She was an artist working for a soul crushing corporation, and dating very nice guy, that she really didn't love, just to make her mother back in South Korea happy. By the end the main character, finally told her mother I love you, but my life is my life.

This kinda hits a bit close to home.

My parents weren't as extreme as Machi's are (although there are actually some who are like that) but there was always that extreme pressure to be the best at anything. And even when you're the best in your class, they'll find someone to compare you. That line about not getting the 10 points so you'd have a perfect score? Heard it a million times. It's exhausting and it builds up within you because they're your parents and you can't lash out.

So when adulthood comes, there's your chance at freedom.

I don't get it. If Machi wanted her parents to back off, so much that she would risk alienating them, why wouldn't she just tell them back the foxtrot-uniform-charlie-kilo off?

Oh you sweet summer child. I'm sure that was what Machi originally wanted, but that's just not as easy for those living in Asian countries. You don't actually get to be free when you're 18. They're your family and they will always poke their noses in your business, especially about marriage. And the culture is going to lynch you if you abandon them.

Even though Machi said she doesn't want to be bothered, it's not really something you can just shake off one day miraculously. It's the pressure. The expectations. The hellish idea that someone is trying to control your life (or not, I may just be projecting here). Anyway, that was the vibe I got from Machi's nightmare. Does Hana also have these expectations from her? Where is it going to lead? What's going to happen when she can't give those things to her? Is she going to be indebted to Hana because she might save her from her family?

I started to dislike Machi, when I found out, she already shot poor Hana down. It's just cruel to put Hana in that situation. Even if it was Hana's idea. Hana is obviously hoping something is going to happen, and her heart will be broken all over again when it doesn't.

I really disagree with this. It felt more like Hana steamrolled into Machi's life like this. Hana might be the one foolishly building this fantasy and just dragging Machi along with her during a time when Machi is dealing with something big. The whole premise of Hana makes me feel like she's someone who's taking advantage of the situation. I know it's hard to see a lesbian not get her happy ending, but putting all the blame on Machi isn't really fair.

WELL. That's gotta be my longest Dynasty post though I'm not surprised it was this artist that brought it out in me.

Yes Hana is pushing this. That's one of the warning signs, that Machi should turn her down. If someone keeps asking to "hang out" with you after you tell them you're not interested, then one day you suddenly decide to accept their invitation, they'll get the wrong idea. Even if you make it clear, THIS IS NOT A DATE, they will see an open door to more. That's lonely person 101.

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I don't get it. If Machi wanted her parents to back off, so much that she would risk alienating them, why wouldn't she just tell them back the foxtrot-uniform-charlie-kilo off? It would have the same effect, without the emotional dangers of leading the poor lesbian on.
I started to dislike Machi, when I found out, she already shot poor Hana down. It's just cruel to put Hana in that situation. Even if it was Hana's idea. Hana is obviously hoping something is going to happen, and her heart will be broken all over again when it doesn't.