It's all a big metaphor for personal growth.

Except none of those girls learned anything.

What about the parts in the OP that spell out what each of the girls/women learned/was shown/realizes?

After all, each chapter ends with the person explicitly thinking about how they’ve changed or how things are going to be different from now on.

But their conclusion is always terrible. If Amano is trying to give some message, I don't think I like it.

It's all a big metaphor for personal growth.

Except none of those girls learned anything.

Serenata posted:

Plus it's easier than saying homosexual and I think it sounds better, I don't feel "triggered" by the word gay so yeah... That's just like... your opinion.
If they were saying fag then it becomes a real issue.

It comes from fact that people used (or I guess some still do) word gay in context of it being like a insult. So when they said "it's so gay" they actually meant it like "it's so lame" etc. Unlike us who use it with it's intended meaning, they basically conflated gay with meaning something bad and/or weird, hence the bad connotation.

I don't think they're saying the word is offensive. Just cringe.
If so, I can understand it, actually. I too find some reactions being pretty cringe sometimes with people being all happy using certain words all the time (where I live mainly). But then I realize I'm the one being grumpy, so I just don't say anything.

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It's based on the game. Doppel is a form they become using their witch power without losing themselves and is reversible.

Don't know why defend Touma. She's clearly wrong and the author probably knows that. She's just a fetish, anyway.
I do think the manga is shit and kind of makes me avoid reading more of the author's works, but we'll...

I also have a big problem with the "the adult and responsible thing to do is marriage" and I'm surprised to see that in a yuri manga.

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This chapter does kind of paint Touma as some kind of eldritch lesbian sex god.

...Which is actually really awesome now that I've typed it out.

Anyways, my prediction: nurse-san quits and gets married, tries to have a heterosexual relationship, discovers she liked sex with Touma more than her husband, and comes back to work at the school again.

Most likely she'll never show up again. Her life is ruined.

Particularly I find it pretty offensive with the whole boy piloting the girl who served as just a body. But to be honest I don't watch it. I just read about the plot and follow the otaku drama.

Everyone I actually trust told me it's trash, though.

Yikuph posted:

^lol. The thing about NTR is that people will hate it but they just can't stop watching, NTR also boost show's sexual point, to create otaku obsession over heroines.

Yeah but the thing is... Isn't this about giant robots?

It's about a world where people are born in laboratory. The robots must be piloted by a boy and a girl in what it's a clear simulation of sex. Then the girl becomes the robot and the boy pilots her. By the way, they already made it clear same gender pairs won't make the robot move.
The characters technically live in a world without romance and sex, so of course that's part of the plot.

Since I saw the mecha design and the pilots in the trailer I had a bad feeling from FRANXX so I avoid it (and now that I think about it, I don't remember people talking about it here?) but wow https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-04-17/anime-producer-yuichi-fukushima-endures-harassment-over-darling-in-the-frankxx-episode/.130524 I'm soooo not going to watch it, when an anime about giant robots causes fights and death treats over the waifus you know is just not worth it...

As someone who never intended on watching that show in the first place, I am kind of curious what specifically happened in the episode to make people so upset.

Monster girl and normal girl likes the MC. Monster girl becomes crazy and almost kill everyone. Normal girl send monster girl away and kiss the MC when he's sleeping. Fans of monster girl becomes crazy.

That's all.

I suspect in the case of Amanchu, the author wanted to do more of that idealized "close female friendship" stuff and took it into subtext territory without even meaning to, and got blindsided by people shipping the characters.

Or maybe she was influenced by actual subtext mangas without realizing what they mean. Maybe she never had much female friends and take her inspiration for manga, I don't know. It's clearly unnatural and I doubt she was trying to bait anyone.
Like some conservative author reading Nettagyo, not realizing what the scenes are implying and just copying the style on their own works.

What bothers me is how she makes it clear the way they feel about Pikari is the same with the only difference being their gender, so that's changes everything.
There was more sensible ways to do it. This way it just looks like she was really trying to offend people. Also, close friendship is fine, but close friends don't look deep in each other's eyes and says "I love you". If an author don't want people shipping their character, just don't write them as a romantic couple.

And I never saw any subtext in Aria, so I know she could do it feel more natural.

Was kinda looking forward to Hisone to Maso-tan because of cute dragon & potato designs, but the first ep didn't leave a very good impression. Feel like everything I watched so far all has some pacing issue. I'll give this one a couple more eps though.

Well, it's Mari Okada, so...
I didn't find the first episode bad, but I'm expecting her to fuck up somewhere.

Is it? I didn't hear much about it so I assumed it's better to just wait for Black Fox instead

It's fun, mainly if you like shooting games. There's also some kind of yuri in the novel, but it's mostly one-sided. And we don't know if the anime will get there.

Was thinking of checking the former out. How strong is the subtext or if there's any at all?

As gay as in, like...one of the girls has a real crush on another one, other girl sexualize fantasize about the other, and MC is pretty gay for everyone.
Imagine Hidamari, but with Yuno only thinking about cute girls.

I would also recommend Hinamatsuri in general. Not for yuri, but it's pretty fun.

Well, might just say it again, but for anyone planning to watch Lostorage S2 without reading Peeping Analyze, it's not a good idea. The second episode tells a summary of it, but of course, it becomes really confusing without reading the manga.

Subtext will evolve to real yuri real soon.

That never happened before, why would it now? I am not stating this in hopes of triggering a "what is yuri or not" discussion. This is, by all means, extremely gay, and I wish it would turn into actual yuri, since the story sounds cute and promising. But it's not romance in the end, sadly.

The art is so pleasant, too.

Again, the series is promoted by the magazine as "Girls romance", so it's possible. And it's also tagged yuri on the official Pixiv. In fact, the only reason why I'm not calling it yuri yet is because Comic-walker is not tagging it as such for some reason. But they're clearly promoting it to the yuri fanbase.
And then again, Comic Walker tags Shinmai Shimai no Futari Gohan as yuri, so their tagging doesn't mean much.

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Yes, this is a very touchy topic to some people. Past experiences lead to them negatively reacting to things they're uncomfortable with. I'm the same.
But if, say someone like me, one with no bad experiences on the topic, happened to hate het, what would be the reason?

If you have no bad experience in something, you have no reason to dislike it, so that probably doesn't exist.
I can tell you that there're people with purity fetish and think a girl is not pure anymore if she has sex with a guy, but don't care if she has sex with other girl.
That's still based on bad experiences, though. But instead of bad experiences in a genre, it's in life.

You won't get only one answer in this subject, anyway.

I don't hate het so I can't help you there, but maybe I can reason about shipping. Most yuri ships are with girls that are pretty implied to be into girls. And people build this image that they're gay (not necessarily canon at times). So it feels weird and wrong if you ship them with boys. There's also the fact that most people hate when you ship yuri or yaoi, calling you delusional, but they'll do the same crack shipping with her pairings. And just ship wars by itself.

About het itself, while I don't hate it, I avoid it unless the story is not about it and it's interesting. There are other reasons, of course, like yuri being cute, but in general tropes used in het bothers me.
I'll give an example. Last het romance I tried to watch was Ore Monogatari. And it was okay for most time, but it always feels weird how much the girl was irrelevant. Like, the guy was strong, gentle, brave while the girl was...cute. That's all they ever said about her.
Then came the episode that annoyed the most, when a side couple had a whole plot where the guy felt he had to climb a Christmas tree to get a star to the girl he likes and "win" her. Even on a supposed heartwarming story, there's this kind of sexist concept. Like, the girl was supposed to do nothing but being pretty, while the guy gets all the action.
So I avoid het, mostly because the girls are the characters I'm actually interested in, and most of the time they'll be pretty passive in these stories, be it aimed to men or women. Unless it's a harem where she literally becomes an object of lust.
I could maybe appreciate het with a more feminine boy and an assertive girl, but the story will always end up emphasing about how he needs to "man up".

Indeed, if the maid was a guy I wouldn't give this a chance, but I'm not expecting the maid to be really trying something bad (only based on the first chapter) anyway despite of gender because then it would be a very different kind of story.

I really can't remember the fanservice if there was any so toned down or not, I'm hoping for a good comedy at least... and hopefully not a 5 minutes per episode format x_x

Doga Kobo doesn't make short animes.
Their animation is usually pretty solid, too.

Serenata posted:

double standars aside

What double standards exactly?

I think it's the fact that if the maid was a guy, most of us would find the manga gross and offensive.

Although seeing the raws, she looks way less pushy than most lolicon characters. That's certainly not the title I would hope to get an anime, though, but could be fun.
The studio is also not known for fanservice, so expecting it being toned down.

Should i prepare for heavy drama?

Not really. Pretty soft drama.
Konatsu wants to know why Koyuki called her in the first day, and Koyuki doesn't know what to answer. So Konatsu keeps thinking about what Koyuki thinks about her...and Koyuki is actually thinking the same thing.
That's why I find it hard not to become actual yuri.

I don't know what this site needs to consider a yuri tag anymore, few days ago I suggested a change on Maho Girls Precure in which Mirai and Liko totally kissed on manga and I have been denied

Think about this, though. Would you rather have a story not tagged yuri and be surprised when it turns out yuri or read a story tagged yuri and not find yuri?
Nettagyo is not tagged yuri on Coming walker (Kadokawa web reader), but it's tagged yuri on pixiv. The magazine promote the title as "Girls romance".

Can confirm the series only gets gayer with new chapters.
At the start, I thought subtext tag would make sense, but recently I think it'll be hard for the author not pushing it to full romance.
Although, if you care about fish stuff, keep in mind that it'll focus less on the aquarium later on.

Inbreed is indeed a problem on long term, but people already pointed that out, so I don't see the point. You don't need to have children to have a relationship, so it's not a problem that the relationship itself happens. And if does, it becomes the couple's problem. As it was said already, if a couple has high chance of having problem with having a child, no one will stop them, but instead they'll be educated.
Also, inbreeding becomes a bigger problem when it happens for multiple generations, so it's not even a reality except if we start to force people to reproduce in family, like royal families did in the past.
Incest is not a threath for society at all, so aside from non-consensual situations, the only argument against it is moral.

And sorry, but saying "it's okay because it's a manga, but in real life is gross" sound like the thing homophobic people say about yuri mangas.

i had no idea brazil was ok with incest.................................... wow noice

Their age of consent is also only 14.

Well, I'm BrazilIan and people here aren't "ok" with incest, but I don't think it is a crime punished by law.

Remind that USA considers cousins as incest. And here we don't care. People joke about having sex between cousins and talk about it lightly, as it's not that big of a taboo. A soap opera even made a cousin couple once and their whole arc was about how absurd it was that people were against it.

To be fair, I find it pretty weird that incest is a crime anywhere. Punishing people for having a consensual relationship with each other. Sounds like something...
I think in some 50 years, that'll stop being considered wrong.

people are expected to mind their own business about something that doesn't concern them even if they disapprove of it.

Unless you're gay, that is. Politicians and religious people are trying to make everything to take gay rights, even passing a law allowing psychologists to try to "cure" gays, recently.
Incest just isn't a topic, so people don't mind it. People still judge others all the time for things like homosexuality, transsexuality, abortion, etc. I'm pretty sure that if incest ever become a popular topic, people will start being vocal about being against it.

I love them, so I'm happy about yama no susume s3 (I wonder if they'll end in Everest or something like the April's fool joke) and I enjoyed amanchu s1 a lot too but the way the manga handled that "issue" was really bad, Aria was great, it was about friendship, magic, gondolas and stuff like that it didn't need anything else. A place further than the universe is a great example too and yama no susume but Amanchu? it was like that, it didn't even need bait but definitely it DID NOT need romance and worse if you consider how they started with it and I'm gonna watch Hibike s2 eventually... Maybe depending on the movies' performance.

Now if you excuse me, I'm going to watch Gungale and be properly baited (mostly by my own yuri googles).

PS: Looks like Hai Fury will have a movie... I didn't find the series really good, I guess Japan just love ships.

I don't think Amanchu was supposed to imply yuri. The author just think of them as friends. Although I'll agree the way she killed the ship is bad. She could just make a het plot with Pikari without the whole: "our genders are different, so our feelings are different" bullshit.

As for Gungale, there's actually yuri in the novel. More specifically: Pitohui is bi and kisses the MC when they meet IRL.
Anime might not get there, though. But being SAO, it'll probably sell and get more seasons.

And yeah, I didn't get Hai Furi. It was too boring. But I might watch just because the girls are cute, I don't know.

Reason for me skipping Amanchu is that I'm getting tired of these animes about nature or something. I found Yuru Camp kinda boring.
I don't think it's worth to skip it if you still like the show. Like, I enjoyed Hibike S2 a lot.

I tried watching lostorage but haha it was indeed a mistake without watching any of the previous series, but honestly my only motivation was a picture of a cool character, and with soooo much releases this month (heck, even today is a lot!) I guess I'll pass.

Yeah, it's not something you can just jump into. Watching the three previous seasons and probably even the manga is obligatory.

As for me, this is the season I'm less interested in things in years. But that's good, since having too much shows I have interest is overwhelming.
Next season will be a hard one.