Also about actual "language" barrier and trying to communicate with each other without mind reading, I can recommend great story, but it's sadly het.

Oneplusoneequalstwo posted:

Blastaar posted:
I'll agree my decision to not read this story steams mainly from reading spoilers, which admittedly do not carry any of actual quality of writing, so it presented it as just one of those. That being said, even if I was aware of it, I would still not continue reading it as it's simply not kind of story I feel like reading at the moment, regardless of actual quality.

posting under a story you haven't read and do not plan on reading

lol couldn't be me fam

Lol did someone posted that and then deleted it? To answer that person, I read first chapter. Didn't like where it was going. People posted spoilers. I read them and it convinced me that indeed it's not a story I want to continue reading. Commenting under story where I read 1 chapter out of 2 available surely isn't unreasonable? Especially when commenting about bigger trend?

I think her not using phone is more because showing writing on sketchbook is more visually interesting? Like it fits more with comedy and type of character. Or simply because that's the cliche way mute characters communicate.

^ Fun fact. Sign Language isn't 1 universal, but has variations depending on country too.

KueKyuuQ posted:

...you somehow just reminded me of this golden bit XD

This is... brilliant xD Now I need someone writing just that x3

KueKyuuQ posted:

It does remind me, however, of the question as of why the protagonist of a super-hero story always ends up in the center of events - because if that wasn't the case, then we wouldn't have their tale.

Idk about others, but at least I, fully understand it. Things need to happen for the story to be interesting. Irl hero isn't always in center of attention, but if he happens to be, then it makes for a much more interesting story to hear about. In fiction you have full control over narrative, so the story you're telling is always the one where hero "happened" to be always center of attention. Either way, I'm not talking about this specific example, because I think their argument is actually fully understandable and more nuanced than most people give it credit, so I don't mind it that much. But I can't help but sympathize with people like Lilywyt. Having main characters act immature and argue about pointless stuff, makes for more interesting (even if often more infuriating for readers aware of truth) read by default and feels like no brainier, if you're trying to write a engaging story. That's exactly why every so often I crave for author to take more interesting route and have characters not do that and actually have a open, level-headed discussion about their issues. Just because characters talk about it, it doesn't mean author can't still make it interesting and have things happening thanks to that. Talking about something, doesn't need to automatically solve the issue. Even if being immature is more realistic or common or whatever, it's still fiction. You can make characters do whatever you want. Again, I'm sure there's plenty of works that do just that, but from my experienced they're way less common.

Blastaar posted:

However, should Dynasty readers universally adopt this practice of not reading stories that are the kind of stories they don't like to read, . . . something really, really terrible will happen.

Tell me about it >.>

Fairypixie24

Nene posted:

you'd have trouble finding even one male character who doesn't get like that around his crush

I can find plenty. It almost sounds like you never read shoujo mangas.

The very young, she said. For younger audiences. Saint Tail, Chacha, Ririka, that sorta thing. Pay attention.

Assuming I wasn't including those as well. Either way, it's completely pointless discussion since at best you can say she exhibits some stereotypically masculine traits. There's no such thing as masculine traits, so who cares how telepathic girl is behaving. It doesn't suddenly make it heteronormative or something.

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arch99 posted:

This?

That's the bitch. Thank you!

Edit: Oh damn I remembered them actually getting together, booooo!

It's left ambiguous. Some interpret they'll get together eventually, some think the relationship is dead. Draw your own conclusions.

^ I'm pretty sure we're not supposed to think that deeply about it. I mean in unlikely situation where you have people of 3 different nationalities, let's say Teru, Russian guy and English guy. Teru speaks Japanese and hears Japanese. Russian guy speaks Russian and hears Russian from Teru, but English from English guy. And English guy speaks English, but hears English from Teru and Russian from Russian guy. So it sounds perfectly normal to Teru, but for other 2 guys, they can't understand half the conversation and it would sound weird, Teru is communicating perfectly with other person, despite them talking in different languages. Unless bracelets also magically convert languages literally between everyone.

But if I would try to rationalize it, maybe it makes you think the lips are synced, when in fact they aren't? The same way you think you hear your native language when in fact, it's being translated directly to your brain.

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RPPuzzle posted:

but I know as kids when you see a bully and the power they have over you as a victim, you start to think that's the only way to have power and feel good about yourself, so you tend to adopt bullying others as well. Like aren't the parents of bullies also bullies technically? So... I dunno.

That's the first I hear about it. I think you're confusing it with being abused and then growing up to be abuser as well. Yes, kids of abusers often grow up to be abusers as well as a copying mechanism, without even realizing it.

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^Right. It was so long ago I totally forgot. I mean, ignoring Youko originally rejecting Yae, but now suddenly realizing it's fine, which could make for interesting story, going for that whole love triangle is just retarded and makes me feel bad for her bf. Chitose x Yae got happy ending, so instead we're ruining Youko's established relationship? Also since it's published in Galette, I don't think Morishima has excuse of being pushed to write it by her editor, since I'm not even sure Galette has editors. The whole point of it is to be crowd funded so they can write any yuri they want.

RPPuzzle posted:

There actually was a Yuri manga that got one chapter translated because to translate more, you would have to pay the scanlator. I just tried to find it but I can't-- it was really good though.

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/catcher_in_the_rhyme_ch01

Nene posted:

you'd have trouble finding even one male character who doesn't get like that around his crush

I can find plenty. It almost sounds like you never read shoujo mangas. The second most common character trope in shoujo manga next to "cold cool guy" is "cheerful (stupid) puppy". He would do everything for his crush and rushes to help her without thinking. Also somewhere behind them is "kind gentle guy" who always watches MC from afar and comes to her rescue without drawing attention to himself. There's plenty of guys in manga that are not incapable of being honest with themselves.

Blastaar posted:

My objection to the knee-jerk "it's a cliché!" posts isn't that tropes can't be overused or used badly, but a lot of readers seem to just note the presence of some familiar trope or two, then characterize the story as "boring" or lazily written or otherwise inadequate just because the trope exists, regardless of how it's deployed.

I'll agree my decision to not read this story steams mainly from reading spoilers, which admittedly do not carry any of actual quality of writing, so it presented it as just one of those. That being said, even if I was aware of it, I would still not continue reading it as it's simply not kind of story I feel like reading at the moment, regardless of actual quality.

FluffyCow posted:

Telling someone what they should write about is entirely self centered.

I'm not telling anyone what to write. I was simply explaining why certain cliches or story ideas annoy people more. As I said, it's usually not a big issue until you start consuming a lot of media and certain scenarios show up much more often than other. If it was depending on me, of course I'd tell every artist to write stuff to cater to my taste and satisfy my interests, but that's obviously unrealistic.

For people saying everything is cliche in some way and that certain things are part of human nature, hence unavoidable, you should remember what the definition of cliche is:

"an expression, idea, or element of an artistic work which has become overused to the point of losing its original
meaning or effect, even to the point of being trite or irritating, especially when at some earlier time it was
considered meaningful or novel"

Sure. Cliche or tropes are not bad in and of itself, it's all about execution, yada, yada, yada. The point is variety. If everyone always include the same things, because "it's realistic" or "it happens in real life" then fiction becomes oversaturated with it and it becomes boring. It's fine reading few times, but if almost every work uses it, it starts to becoming annoying. The point is, it's fiction, not real life. Good works give you illusion of realism, while still being good stories. Ignoring the escapism and wish fulfillment part of reading fiction (aka people got enough of that irl), those kind of stories are done to death at this point, while so many other possibilities are not even touched. It's the same thing as with love triangles. It's not that stuff like that doesn't happen, but rather because it does, it's one of the most obvious ones people could write about and use in their stories, at this point it just comes off as lazy, because tt feels like there's zero creativity behind it.

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luinthoron posted:

I guess this may be a rare time where the production committee system is actually helpful. Since the rights belong to the committee, not to the studio, licensing and proper BD release are still possible even with the studio gone.

Glad to hear that.

As always we can't have nice things. Hopefully someone buys rights to movie otherwise it'll be lost forever. I hope the reason for bankruptcy wasn't making Fragtime, because it could send the message that making yuri would make your studio go bankrupt.

Hylarn

And with the time between the group launch and the anime, the fandom must have had ample time to decide which
ships they liked. Hopefully that means no sudden pairing switches like in Sunshine, that was terrible.

Going by the series' page here, the fandom has not, in fact, decided on which ships it likes

Implying they have to. Can't everyone just ship whoever they like? Having "canon" ships is the main source of cancer in the fandom.

Vampire-asuna posted:

They speak in their language, but everyone hears their native one, so everyone understand everyone.

Plus by ‘everyone’ you mean the superhero? Or everybody, everybody?

The way I understood it, is that Teru speaks in Japanese, but bracelet makes it so everyone hearing her, hears it in their native language. When they speak, they speak in their language, but Teru hears it in Japanese. So she sounds fluent to Russian guy, because he hears her speaking in Russian matching her Japanese. Since it relies on "connecting hearts" or something, not sure how it would work with recordings, but I don't think we need to worry about that.

MacySan posted:

If you are allowed to comment and criticize something, then so am I. A lot of stories get criticism, like Citrus, NTR etc despite people knowing what these stories are about too, before commenting/reading.

Again you're missing the point. There's difference between criticizing storytelling and content of the story. We're talking about knowing story is about subject you don't like and yet you reading it anyway, just so you can complaining about that subject. That's when it gets pointless, because you're no longer talking about quality of the work. You're just venting about thing you don't like, which has nothing to do with story itself. If someone hates cheating, reads NTR knowing it's about cheating and then complains how cheating is amoral, then yes, I would have issues with them too.

Doesn't this go against your own argument of "you can't treat the forums as your own blog and expect no one to disagree with you"

The whole issue is that, people like that are only derailing the thread. We heard those arguments 100 of times. They're irrelevant to the story. We're no longer discussing merits of the story alone. We're talking about some bigger topic that can be discussed unrelated to given story. Whatever lolicon is child porn, or mangas normalize rape or whatever, it has nothing to do with story and how it handles its topic. But everytime work with those kind of elements shows up, it's the same shit. People who are offended by it and hate it read it, predictably hate it, go into forum writing how offended they are and how works like that has no right to exist and how it's bad, which has nothing to do with quality of work itself, and then people who actually likes it or at least don't mind it are forced to defend it for the umpteenth time, while people who hate it don't care because nothing will convince them and they're not even reading thread anymore. And just like that any conversation that could happen about actual work is dead. And it happens every single time. So sorry for being sick to death and fed up with this and people like you who think it's constructive criticism shitting on concept you find disturbing or illegal or whatever. Nobody gives a fuck if grooming is illegal or not. They're fictional characters. Talk about actual story.

Why should loli be an exception? If loli is just like every other category, why should there be special rules about it?

No one ever said loli should be exception. It applies to everything. Loli just comes under the attack the most often.

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MacySan

You just attacked me for no reason.

Keep deluding yourself.

They speak in their language, but everyone hears their native one, so everyone understand everyone.

This is such bait and switch. Clearly Morishima had no idea how to continue story, so she decided to write about different couple and that's fine. But instead of coming up with someone new, she first started writing about Yae and Chitose to give impression it's a sequel about them and to pick interest of people familiar with them, but in reality only used them as a springboard to reintroducing Yae's ex crush, who we're familiar with and supposedly would be interested in and build story about her love.