Go be unbearably smug and condescending at someone else please.

Ironic coming from you. Oh well, I'll do my best.

Point proven.

Just saying it doesn't make it true, thankfully. Pretty childish I must say.

And insisting on continuing this will most likely just incite the mods, so I will just facepalm and leave it at that.

I love this entire comment.

In a surrealist ironic sense I hope. Unless you are a fan of swiss cheese of course, because of the amount of holes it has.

@Serenata
Oh I noticed her too. I was not sure, because she was only on screen for a second, but I saw a wolf(?) girl in Machikado fanart before, so I recognized her!

That part on the hill sure did sound like a proposal haha. Becoming a "vassal" actually doesn't sound too different from a marriage at all.

Either way, Momo totally thought Shamiko invited her on a date. That outfit was unusually cute for her.

@Lilliwyt
It's at chapter 22 at this point, so that's not too far off at least.

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Why do you think well written stories always top the charts and are phenomena?

Gentle reminder that Citrus is the best-selling yuri manga of all time and, on a more general note, I really hope you aren't trying to make an argument that the most popular manga/anime/movie/novel/*anything* in general are so because they are paragons of thoughtful writing. That is almost never the case and one of the most fallacious arguments you could ever make.

Cute. Have I said that only well written stories sell? No I have not. I am saying well written things always attract people.
Citrus for all its flaws has it's own advantages and gets a lot of flak without actually taking into account what it did right.

A hundred mediocre stories will paddle around the middle of a top 100 list, one or two outrageous attention grabbing things will make it into the top 10 and the rest will be something with actual merit in one way or another.

Gentle reminder that - and this is something I give profound thanks for nearly everyday now - the Japanese authors of the vast majority of these works do not read this site and are blissfully unaware of Western yuri fans' self-important views on how they should do their job better. You are not giving feedback to the author here, so stop pretending that. You are only wallowing publicly in your own sense of superiority, writing post after essay-like post to no real effect except propping up how much better your tastes in Japanese schoolgirl lesbian fantasy stories are compared to others'. Please gain even a tiny bit of self-awareness about how far you are going (and habitually go) to belabor this point.

Not so cute.

A not so gentle reminder to you then that whether an author actually reads criticisms or not, does not invalidate said criticism in any way. When I say that works have to be critisized and taken under examination, I am not saying that some random forum will actually change anything. It's about the general attitude many people have to just nod along and ignore any flaws whatsoever. If analyzing literature is treated like a nuisance, discourse about it becomes meaningless. You can be sure that everything people say here is also said to the author directly, both by the Editor and by the official influencers that actually have an effect.
I positively despise your insinuation that somehow being in the West or East makes any difference in this topic whatsoever. You think Japanese readers don't have opinions like this? What a joke.

Another belabored point that always gets thrown around by people like you is the "you write essay long replies". This is a non-sequitur and pure mudslinging. You should be ashamed.

Is it not typical that instead of addressing any points you resort to insulting me?

No what you were trying to prove is that bad writing in general and the rushed ending of this in particular are good. Which they are not.

In this thread alone there are a lot of people who say they like the ending. I just happen to agree and have an interest in discussing it.

Most people who "liked" this ending just said "Oh it's poly? Great!" They liked the outcome, not how we got there. Most likely not really invested into the story to begin with, which makes it easier to ignore flaws.
Others (myself included) saw the flaws, but still thought the story itself had merit and that the ending at the very least was intended from the start.
Then the majority is just confused or caught off guard by the sudden end and don't know what to make of it.
And yes, some hate it, which is not unreasonable either.

You aren't actually open to discussing the content however, only defending your stance on liking it in itself. I have absolutely no faith whatosever that you can make a legitimate argument why this rushed ending was genuinly good and not just barely acceptable for what it was.

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What I am trying to prove with my survey is to show you for whatever reason people are OK with what you call mediocre. Perhaps this means you should not be so quick to judge?

No what you were trying to prove is that bad writing in general and the rushed ending of this in particular are good and represent how yuri should be. Which they are not.

I don't want people to diminish the enjoyment of those who like these stories by calling it "mediocre".

What you really want to avoid is to accept that sometimes people can dislike something for good reasons.

Because I am a champion of the people! I hear the calling of my fellow Yuri fanatics, and am driven to defend them! Have at you!

Everyone on this unholy site is a yuri fan. You only defend yourself and nobody else.

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I think this does mean most of Yuri consumers agree with me. We take delight in the mediocrity of Yuri. You are the elitist who always have to find fault with everything that doesn't suit your liking.

You can try to convince me and my like-minded comrades that we are wrong. But you cannot deny our existence nor deny us what we want.

Nonsense. The reason mediocre stuff survives is that there is not enough good stuff. That is not an admission that people like mediocre stuff. Good writing is hard, therefore most supply will be mediocre or bad, even though the demand is for good writing. Why do you think well written stories always top the charts and are phenomena? Because people want good writing. There is so little of it that people jump on it and try to suck every last bit out of it (that's why good series get milked btw).

The flipside of this argument is also this: Most people that like a mediocre fluff story don't actually think it's mediocre most of the time. That's because people enjoy different things more than others. Someone who is really into animal girls will find animal girl yuri so appealing that bad writing has less of an impact on them, so they don't see it as mediocre, but as outstanding.

Nobody I have ever talked to revels in mediocrity, except you. There are no allies on your side. You are the exception.

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Cliche Yuri tropes got me into the genre and cliche Yuri tropes made me stay. I don't want good writing in my Yuri. If I wanted to feel I'd go read a book or something.

Yuri is a fairytale, it is by its nature anthithesis to what is considered "good writing" nowadays. Nowadays people consider realism and drama to be "good writing". But I don't want realism or drama in my Yuri. I want to see girls living a lighthearted life and falling in love light-heartedly. I don't want conflict or drama, I want fluff and happiness. I want happy smiles and girls being cute. I want all problems to go away in the face of Yuri.

I'm here to read the same cliche Yuri tropes over and over again, and it seems everyone else wants the same.

This is what authors like to draw and what people like to read. Leave it alone.

You made up a definition of yuri for yourself out of sheer escapsim? I'm impressed.
Look, you can enjoy whatever you want. If you love seeing and reading the exact same tropes for the hundreth time without any effort put into them, that is all well and good.

The problem here is that Luminous=Blue is not that. It never was that and the author had no intention of making it that. There was drama, there was a deeper reflection on characters and not just mindless repetitive tropes. It wasn't just fluff. It attempted to have good writing.
So an unsatisfying, rushed conclusion without any of the story's potential coming to fruit is a shame. It's a tragedy.

You can have good writing without drama, by the way. But you can never have good stories with lazy, repetitive and uninspired writing. And you only consider your own preferences here. You never think of the writer. Authors don't want to stagnate, they want to write something good. Without constructive feedback, it won't happen.

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Oof, what a way to end a chapter. Noa's probably too durable to die from that though.
This artist is always good at somehow having an entire conversation during sex scenes. I don't think the plot is hard to follow if you read all chapters in a row.

I am an I-cup.

Plus, I don't hate the story for personal reasons. Nanaki nad Kanade do not look cute together. Their constant arguing makes me sick. Plus, I ask myself with every chapter why they have never thought how good their lives were before they got "together"?

EDIT #2: I don't like abandoning mangas before end. Unless the plot just screams "absurd" looking at you, I'll cheer on my Onee-yuri" or sth

By what standards? Japanese? They always go one size farther than most of the world. Either way, my condolences to your back.

They barely argue. You complained about them every single chapter for superficial reasons like "Oh no, Kurokawa is trying to improve her looks, but she shouldnt do that." or "Fujishiro is just in a different world, you don't belong there." Sounds like a very personal experience to me.
And now you make the ridiculous argument that they were better off without each other, even though the plot entirely contradicts that. Like I said, you don't get the story. Kurokawa wants to improve her looks. She enjoys it. Fujishiro doesn't need friends who backstab her or are mean to someone she likes. Kurokawa lost her clique of friends who were just as superficial as Fujishiro's. They raised each other up, brought out the best out of each other and clearly have feelings for each other. Only someone who ignores everything that has been happening could deny this.

Abandon things you don't like. You are just frustrating yourself.

Sweet, foolish Kanade.
You should feel blessed, Kanade. Being an I-cup is a nightnare, finding bras is hard af.
Nope, Nanaki, end this right now, she is not the one you need to chase after.
I feel for you... Girl whose name I don't remember but I know she loves Nanaki.

For your own sake Loralei, stop reading this story already. You clearly hate it for really personal reasons and have a bad understanding of what's actually going on.

PS: That's not an I-cup. Holy shit, does anybody understand bra sizes?

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Hey, random question, but do you guys have any tips for sleeping earlier when you have developed a pattern for sleeping late?
Like, I literally cannot fall asleep until 3:00 or 4:00 AM, which sucks when I have morning classes.

Pull an all-nighter and then finally give in to your exhaustion around the time you actually want to go to sleep. Doing that enough times usually works(take it from someone who had night shifts).

If that is too extreme for you, you gotta adjust slowly. Always go to bed just a little earlier and a few weeks later it should work out.

Nothing like setting up an intense emotional dilemma, then handwaving it away with a bunch of glitter and floaty hearts.

Well we are reading yuri.

Just how lowly do you think of the Yuri genre that you equate half-assed writing with it?
Bad writing or issues with the plot/consistency always should be pointed out and critisized, unless it's a surreal comedy where plot doesn't matter.

If readers are mindlessly content with everything they are fed, no writer can ever improve.

last edited at Sep 26, 2019 2:20AM

Akazawa, I feel you. This feeling you feel, I feel deeply.
I also fell asleep on a school trip before and nobody woke me up.

^Like discus throwing.

last edited at Sep 25, 2019 4:11PM

bugdevil, you really should work on your reading comprehension there bud. the only person making logical leaps is you.

Hm, this sounds a lot like someone ran out of arguments or ways to change the subject, but hey, we can end this conversation any time without making empty claims like that.

Good day~

Luminous=Blue would have benefited from just keeping it simpler and sticking with the exes reunited ending I believe. A poly ending requires the utmost set-up and care.

Set up? Pfff, please. What set up beyond cute girls being gay do you need?

Yuri is about girls being lovely-dovely, and the more girls and more lovely-dovely the better.

Just inject distilled yuri into my veins.

Quality Quantity > Quality > Quantity.
Less is more when the Les stuff is less than quality.

If all you desire is the result you will end up cutting corners and then everything stagnates.

last edited at Sep 25, 2019 12:16PM

This rushed conclusion makes all claims to polyamory being the best outcome void. As per usual it is a unrealistic and forced "happy" end that simplifies relationship dynamics too much. Hmph.

BugD, it's pretty clear that there's a strong contingent of yuri readers for whom the final shipping outcome is the be-all and end-all of a story, no matter how artificially or arbitrarily the story gets there. I probably don't need to cite examples of some of the more egregious examples of "happy" endings that skip over all the hard parts that the rest of the story had set up, where as long as we get to squee over the right kind of lovey-dovey images in the finale, all is for the best in the best of all possible worlds.

If it were possible to argue such readers out of their positions, the story itself would have already done that for you.

While I was mostly joking for the sake of the rivalry, I do understand that some people are overly content with any happy ending, no matter whether it's earned or not.
In this particular case I feel bad for Iwami Kiyoko, as she never got the chance to show us whether she had the ability to make polyamory believable. The story was axed and the conclusion had to be rushed. I can't think of any rushed ending that would have been satisfying in this context, so I don't fault people for getting their pay-off where they can.
Now the real issue comes in when longer or none-axed series just rush into a sudden happy end like this.

Luminous=Blue would have benefited from just keeping it simpler and sticking with the exes reunited ending I believe. A poly ending requires the utmost set-up and care.

last edited at Sep 25, 2019 11:31AM

Of course it's you BugDevil, my nemesis.

You can't win. Threesome relationships plus yuri is too good of a combination.

This struggle shall never end! As long as I draw breath and 99% of romance authors suck at writing polyamory stories I will never cease destryoing your lofty delusions of poly-grandeur.

This rushed conclusion makes all claims to polyamory being the best outcome void. As per usual it is a unrealistic and forced "happy" end that simplifies relationship dynamics too much. Hmph.

I saw worse rushed endings, this one was actually okay. And hey, I'll never complain about polyamory, you can share your taxes by 3, is almost a necessity in todays society depending were you live (I am just half joking here)

Polyamory is not legal in the majority of the world though and will give you no tax benefits. :P

That would be Polygamy, not polyamory.

sigh
Why thank you for repeating this point instead of reading whether someone already pointed it out and what I responded to it. Really shows how observant you are.

I didn't need a lecture on what polygamy is or where and how it is legal (like I wouldn't know). The "most of the world" part wasn't there for show.

However, in the country of origin for this story, same sex marriage isn't legal either... so they can't get tax benefits if just two of them marry, so WTF does that matter?

Irrelevant. The only countries that allow gay marriage do not allow polygamy, therefore they cannot marry in another country either.

Also, why should tax benefits matter in matters of the heart?

Ask @GeneralJ why it's so important instead of me. Oh wait, @GeneralJ already clarified what they meant. It's like reading the entire convo would help or something.

last edited at Sep 25, 2019 10:33AM

Threesome endings are the best.

Anyone who disagrees can fight me.

I would, but I don't want to get arrested... again.

English isn't my first language so maybe I said something wrong, but what I was saying is basically 3 people living together and sharing life expenses (water, food, electrical energy, etc), is like sharing a house with friends but you add love and sex in the mix so is not exactly against the law, hell were I live is basically impossible to live alone with the minimum wage.

Well I think I going of on a tangent now so I'll probably stop here lol

Basically roomates with benefits. That doesn't mean sharing taxes tho, which was the only thing I really pointed out. To have tax benefits you need to get married and that's where polyamory stops working.
Sorry for misunderstanding your point.

I saw worse rushed endings, this one was actually okay. And hey, I'll never complain about polyamory, you can share your taxes by 3, is almost a necessity in todays society depending were you live (I am just half joking here)

Polyamory is not legal in the majority of the world though and will give you no tax benefits. :P

You mean polygamy.

Well one leads to the other if you wanna have tax benefits. I suppose the government can't tell you what to do in the privacy of your own home. Just don't expect any outside support in a polyamorous relationship.

She looks uncomfortable because the shoe is too tight or because Aira pushed on her toes which made them tingle.
Considering this 'unwholesome' due to that is not very logical, because you pre-suppose that these shots actually resemble hentai or are intended that way.

i didn't say this comic was not wholesome, nor did i need an explanation of why she looks uncomfortable.

to clarify, here's what i meant: i've read a lot of yuri, and i think the angles and poses this mangaka uses seem to be drawing from a style i've seen mostly used in hentai. personally, i don't react that way when trying on a shoe that is too tight.

i do think the panels i mentioned are, as you say, fanservice, and that's fine. that isn't inherently unwholesome. personally i don't tend to read much yuri that really plays up sex appeal because i'm in it for the story and characters and i find that kind of stuff distracting.

You did however say that this looks hentai-ish and the kind of hentai that is unwholesome, even going so far as to say you hope it won't be that kind of manga, which means you considered it all the same.

That's a really bad logical leap.

Well, I also am not a big fan of fanservice, but this is tamer than a kindergarten playground right now, which is why comparison to hentai astound me so much. No pantyshots, no underwear in general, the picture of her upper angle on the bed is not really shown in a sexy light. If the author actually wanted to dial up the sex appeal she wouldn't have made that kind of face. Instead she would have been shown as sweaty, flushed and maybe even moaning in light pain. Aside from having her guard down, nothing about the shot is inherently sexual or played up for it.

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I saw worse rushed endings, this one was actually okay. And hey, I'll never complain about polyamory, you can share your taxes by 3, is almost a necessity in todays society depending were you live (I am just half joking here)

Polyamory is not legal in the majority of the world though and will give you no tax benefits. :P