Everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as they're not assholes about it.

Nobody said you couldn't have your opinion. I'm just asserting my right to laugh at you condescendingly, since you don't want a discussion, so that's kinda all I got to offer; sorry.

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Again, you are completely missing the point, so maybe think twice of who you call retarded. It was a rhetorical question to the logic of "if you don't like something don't read it". Need more explanation than that or you still don't get it? Cause I'm really over this argument.

No, your reasoning is faulty, because forum posts don't have tags to tell me if I'm going to actually want to read it or not. Unlike, say, this manga, which is tagged Lolicon and Age Gap so you know what's coming, a riveting oneeloli age gap tale from the based goddess Itou Hachi.

So I have a proposition, that'll make both of us happy. From here on, anyone that complains about oneeloli in an Itou Hachi work tagged Lolicon or NTR in a Kodama Naoko work tagged NTR is required to start their posts with "Tags: [Uninformed] [Dumb] [Rant]."That way, your logic will hold and it will be my fault for reading said uninformed dumb rant when I knew it was an uninformed dumb rant before reading it, in the same exact way that it is those people's fault for being mad about reading a oneeloli manga tagged Lolicon from Itou Hachi. Thus, you will be correct in your currently bad analogy, and I will never have to read a stupid comment ever again in my life.

It's fucking perfect.
I am a fucking genius.

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I just wanted to state that as a non Japanese person, which I'm also sure others have thought too. I don't want to open a whole discussion about it.

Don't worry, I too am sure that people other than you talk authoritatively about things they don't understand.

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Stories with a man beating his woman, are horrible tales of abuse. Stories with a woman beating her man, comedy gold. Especially in manga and anime.

Because the underlying assumption that girls are too weak to actually hurt guys physically
Which is not exactly a positive interpretation for girls either.

The relative uncommon nature of it adds to that.

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What would you do if you were that colleague or schoolmate Ruki talks to, or if Otome were your friend, sister, or daughter?

Depends.
Is this hypothetical RL Riku stand-in a cute yuri dork?

The answer is incredibly important as my response to this hinges solely on that question.

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It’s not that men are inherently dangerous, it’s what society turns them into by propagating those messages and expecting them to be manly

So it's not that they're born more dangerous, they're just made to be more dangerous.
That isn't at odds with what I was getting at really, which is more or less pertaining to the end result.

And I do have to draw the line of culpability somewhere when so many cling to that way of life anyhow.

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I think it's like that for a lot of people. Men are seen as inherently more perverse/dangerous than women... and really that's not so much the case.

Perverse? Perhaps not more perverse. More dangerous?

Well, we don't exactly see a lot of female mass killers or husband beaters in comparison to the reverse now do we lmao.

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And exactly what "moral" advancements are being achieved by this impotent wailing about an author who's contributed a great deal more to yuri than most of her detractors likely will in their entire lives?

Can't wait for them to start calling for the removal of her works from the site because they can't keep their moral erections in their pants so we have even less yuri to enjoy. Oh wait, that already happened on the first page.

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I unironically and genuinely think grooming is ok if its done by a cute girl to another cute girl.

the response of the opposing side in issues like this is mocking at the very best.

Clicks on a manga labelled lolicon
From an author who often writes her oneeloli fantasies
Surprised pikachu that it's about oneeloli
Proceeds to "stop liking what I don't like"

Mocking or ignoring are the only only appropriate reactions to this kind of behavior.

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Counterpoint: grooming is ok if its cute and yuri.

Itou Hachi is truly a hero of our times.

Everyone knows the real worst characters in shoujo manga are the male characters.

Always trust a frogposter to have bad taste.

Short but delicious~ Classic Kodama, messed up characters, lmao! Akane decides to show her feelings by jumping the main character while said character's boyfriend is sleeping in the same room, and Kotori herself is genuinely messed up. I think Minalinsky's analysis was the most accurate one regarding this.

Thinking more on it, I would not be so quick to label Kotori as twisted or messed up too quickly. While her feelings certainly could be seen as dubious, I argue that it in a sense is only natural to feel what she does at the end.

As indicated in the oneshot, all her life she's put herself down and been put down by others. Everyone's always passed her up for Akane and she's always seen herself as inferior, but finally, someone's told her that she's the one they love and want the most - and it's the very person she's always believed to be unreachable and untouchable by someone like her.

Perhaps it's not the most innocent reason to fall in love, but is it so unnatural or wicked to fall in love with someone because they're the only one in your life who thinks you're worth loving unconditionally to begin with?

And from the start, I do contend with the idea that she doesn't actually care about or love Akane in addition to the above feelings. Kodama doesn't shy away from showing her characters' darker thoughts and yet Kotori is, within the span of the oneshot, shown to not harbor a single negative thought about Akane. Even when her walking-human-refuse of a boyfriend makes that shitty comment to her because of Akane's beauty, all Kotori really thinks is that she'll never match up to Akane, not that Akane is some boyfriend stealing b-word or something like that. The closest thing to a bad thought she thinks is that Akane is her friend but sometimes being around her just makes her feel like she'll never be good enough for anyone. Which is totally reasonable given her position and even speaks positively of her character, that she can resist the temptation to lay blame on a blameless Akane.

In other words, Kotori did nothing wrong and she loves Akane from the start, at least as a friend.

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I know this is a yuri forum and everything, but the people potentially getting squicked out by the age gape might remember that so far there hasn't been the slightest hint of romantic feelings between Haru and Midori. Yes, Midori probably loved Haru's mom, who Haru physically resembles, but Midori doesn't seem to have even realized the nature of her past feelings toward Tsugumi, let alone had any such feelings toward Haru specifically. And Haru still doesn't quite know what to make of Midori.

Given the nature of the pacing of this series (both of which I like a lot) there's a looong way to go and many developments to happen before there's any such thing as an age-gap romance.

(I do want Midori's mom back--she's one of my favorite yuri manga moms.)

People that get squicked out by age gap should learn to stop clicking things that are literally labelled age gap and then going all surprised pikachu over it afterwards.

That'd be nice, I think.

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That's how I interpreted it. She accepted Akane's affection not out of any affection for Akane, but because it makes her feel less shitty about herself to have someone she felt inferior to need her. Kotori felt eclipsed by Akane's beauty, but now the person she silently envied and resented is in her power.

The way I'm reading it, it's both, really. She already was really getting into it before that line but still had reservations about the whole thing. Then Akane dropped that line and it's a mix of:

1. attraction (I mean she straight up says this, kissing Akane is totally different, she smells nicer, etc)
2. affection (They're best friends and she clearly likes Akane despite everything; she doesn't show or indicate any resentment towards Akane, only herself for her own perceived inferiority)
3. relief from feeding into her ego because now the person she always thought was the pinnacle and center of everything sees value in her, so therefore she must have some sort of great value. (The overwhelming sense of superiority)

I think it's cute. I loved Netsuzou so I love the shit out of this.

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Is not a bad story, is just not fluffy and Kyaaa senpai you are so baka! tehee! maybe is just too real for some people. I am not a fan of drama or anguish to be honest but it doesn't make a bad story. Some complains are like "RUN AWAY! BAD THINGS ARE GONNA HAPPEN NOOOOO!" but well, yeah let then happen and let's see what happens after too... Unless this ends in suicide or mass murder or worse... a shota het relation, then is not the end of the world if a story covers a difficult relation.

But just to throw this out there, the author has another yuri work on her website... Seems to be age gap

I love Kodama Naoko so I'm no stranger to angst and drama.
But what I do get with Kodama is a guarantee that through all the blood and tears, yuri prevails. Not so sure on this one.

then we'd be in danger of turning on her and siding with Reiichi.

Everything you said makes sense until this.
I'd sooner throw myself off a building than side with Reiichi, regardless of whether he's cheating or not.

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If someone read the raws and can explain if tags on mangaupdates are legit, do watch out if you didn't they are spoilers uuh so tags are: Abusive Lover First Love Flashbacks, Glasses-Wearing Female Lead, Lesbian/s, LGBT Character in Non-Yaoi/Yuri Manga LGBT Scenes, Multiple Narrators, Time Skip, thats a huge OOF for me, I'm going to avoid this one

Ha ha.
Yeah I'm good. Art's pretty fresh, all I can say really.

Itou Hachi's loli stuff is just unsettling--which direction that takes people varies. For some it's "Don't you people realize that pedophilia is BAD, dammit!" moralizing; for others it's, "Uh oh, I read this and now I feel anxious" giggling, etc.

If by unsettling you mean "amazingly cute" then I agree. Very unsettling.

I remember one time I was dropping by Otome Road, most of the staff usually has fujo or otome related pins on their uniforms, but one girl who rung me out at the register had an oneeloli pin from Itou Hachi. It gave me hope for the world.

All hail Itou Hachi. All hail oneeloli.

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I wanted to have a moral panic and drop some stale FBI jokes, am I in the right place?

You'd think people would get tired of making the same, trite FBI jokes every single time. I wonder what it's like, being able to laugh at yourself making the same, uninspired and unoriginal joke over and over again. Should I be jealous?

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I love Itou Hachi.

I won't get that far, I had to drop it at chapter two when Aoi said "I did it to thank you... we're not dating lol" feels like "why are we here, just to suffer?" moment and the other girl doesn't waste a second to remind Aoi that she's been living off her work for an entire month...like....wow imagine that! is not like she was living off Aoi's san work and effort previous to that or anything, oh wait she totally did! so I just feel 0 empathy for these girls.

Nah, I think they're adorable.
People are over-blowing what happens in the Ch.2, it's not because they don't like each other, it's because they're both dorks. In the newest chapter Aoi actually agrees to get married so it really was just a little hiccup in Aoi's perception of their relationship.

Minalinsky posted:

Nah the arranged marriage are handled by both families and usually you have an interview beforehand to know your partner and decide, so if you say that he agreed to marry her without knowing her and that makes him shit, then the girl is also shit because she agreed to marry him without knowing him

But you see, the critical difference here is that only one of them is getting in the way of yuri. Him.

Welllll when you put it like that I have no argument

To be perfectly actually serious, he shows up again in chapter 4 and validates everything I said about him being walking garbage.