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Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

When they are the butt of the joke, it is easy to extrapolate that the author doesnt respect trans people, it's that simple. Whether it's the "tricked you" deal, or saying "haha look how garish and obvious these guys in drag are", comedies run jokes through the whole chapterand that particular part of it is one. No one in this manga's world acts like being gay is no big deal or is there to make that clear to the audience. You're left with him being gay as the punchline. If you think crossdressing is funny, sorry that just isnt it. The author isnt going ha I'd love to put the world in drag so maybe they'd get a clue, the author uses a world in drag to laugh at the people that don't fit, don't "pass" and to mock men that are attracted to those that do.

My point on the tomboy things, is they are in a completely different universe than femboys, because of how gender works and how one is tied to a shit ton of transphobia and the other isn't.

Dude I am totally inclusive, but Japanese manga does not afford nuanced portrayal of trans and GNC cis people in any way, so what ideas do they intend to promote. Like just try and use your head to imagine what itd be like to be a trans woman in japan when all the old people hate you cause duh and all the young people hate you because the hoard of media presents you as this fetishistic fraudster. The
manga out there simply doesn't afford the nuance. It's well known Re:Zero's author is a transphobe and he pulled all the same shit with Ferris that has been the classic depiction of femboy.

These characters aren't real people, but the author's imagining of them so yes while its rude to assume and project the whole egg deal on real people, that's off the table when its fictional people and you're weighing whether the author is transphobic or relates to the character in some way regardless of their identity, theres speculaction Hemingway was trans based on correspondence and how he had his wife refer to him in the bedroom, he's long dead and lived in a time where trans people were not allowed to exist, so this speculation isnt directly harmful to anyone. Its all done in context and we ultimately afford his identity to how he's been largely referred to. When you look at the context here in manga it's hard not to see them as trans or relatable to the trans experience.

Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

It helps that I also like tomboys, and they are really just two sides of the same coin.

Except tomboys don't bind, or use the men's room, or play on guys sports teams (for the most part) like a "femboy" would do makeup, tuck, join some all girls thing secretly, or wear much more rigidly gender-policed clothing. It's rare for their identity to be "revealed" as a gag or a trick (handsome girl was like drama associated with being misgendered and coming to grips with your sexuality, some comedy came in how her anxieties were unfounded because her gf was so madly in love.) Outside the very small yuri bubble tomboys are always portrayed as ultimately straight whereas the femboys always flirt sexually with male characters. Tomgirls in like nisekoi, Tomo-chan, and I'm sure plenty of harems vs the scads of femboys that lust after MC.

Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

Yep, because all crossdressers are either gay, or trans.

When the author doesnt believe trans people are real, then to the author all trans people are simply "cross dressers". Acknowledge trans people and sure they can and do exist. The thing is, these characters tend to "cross dress" all the time, which falls out of the realm of what someone cis would do. Then that presentation becomes how you want other people to know you. Whether that's woman or apparent woman but also man (Genderfluid/NB) it's still a trans identity.

It's that the MC is confused because a dude is giving him a boner.

That gag is homophobic and transphobic, though. Like why is his despair of potentially being gay a funny situation? The character is presented as a trick, the whole reason tr*p is a slur.

Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

Yeah uh, yikes, playing crossdressing for comedy almost always ends up transphobic and homophobic. closeted me ate this kinda shit up, now I just cringe/get frustrated. If a character presents, thinks, acts in a particular, single gendered deal different from their assigned sex except for when they go "haha i'm boye/gurl gottem xDDDDD" or to assert a rigid gender binary every so often, it is really hard not to read that as anything but a trans character written by a transphobe to say that, despite everything someone may do, they can't change their gender. There isnt the nuance or thought entertained that "hey, I present this way but I dont identify as binary-trans person, and am nonbinary or just masc." You're assuming the content respects those identities when it doesn't, so you interpret what's given at face value.

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Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

The head on the shoulder into shouting match, call that the tsundere true combo.

SillieHonka
Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

Gonna go out on a limb here and say they will quickly become great friends. Gal pals, even

Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

I understand that this will probably go the Poly route (and I hope there's going to be a love-making chapter).

BUT, in my heart of hearts, I hope Mayuki falls hard for Rin in a monogamy.

Everything points towards polyamory, which doesn't get told all too often, and its sweet too, not at all a novelty.

Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

Eh, single target sexuality may be my least favorite trope in yuri

sameee ugh

SillieHonka
Lily Marble discussion 11 Aug 05:22
Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

Nonbinary rights

SillieHonka
Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

Time to update this with the last two volumes, I think.

With so many characters and about 4.5 years from first chapter to last, I can't always recall who they are or what their circumstances were. And it's a pain to have to reread the entire thing.

As before, I welcome suggestions, constructive criticism. Where chapters appear in parentheses, the relationships between those characters play a prominent side role. This is not intended as a comprehensive list of chapters in which each character appears but rather for use if you want to follow the arc of a particular relationship.

Shiramine Ayaka x Kurosawa Yurine (main couple)
1, 2, 5, 6.5, 11, 11.5, (12, 15, 18), 19.5, 22, 23, (25.1), 31, 32, 35, 36, 40, 43, 44, 46*, 47*, 48*, 49, 50*
* These later chapters revisit many of the side couples as Shiramine explores her feelings.

Senoo Mizuki x Nikaidou Moe (track)
3, 4, 16, 16.2, 17*, 20, 20.5, (46)
* alt-17 (pages 13-19)

Uehara Ai, Hoshino Maya, Kusakabe Chiharu, Akidzuki Izumi (stars and bicycle)
(5), 6, 7*, 8, 9, 10, 10.5, 25.5, 26, 27, (48)
* alt-7 (pages 6-9)

Ooshiro Yukina x Mita Towako (garden club)
12, 13, 14, 15, 15.1, (47)

Shikama Momiji, Machida Kaoru, Inoue Kohagi (unrequited, triangle)
18 (MK only), 19

Nishikawa Itsuki x Itou Sawa (childhood promise / photography)
21, 24, 25, 25.1, 30.5, 48

Hiruma Ryou, Asakura Amane, Yuunagi Nina (poly)
28, 29, 30, 35.5

Aoi Haine x Yukimura Aika (age-gap/incest)
(31, 32), 33, 34, (47)

Tatsumi Nagisa x Torayama Hikari (student council)
37, 38, 39, v8 Omake

Hagidzuki (aka Hagimoto Mikaze) x Asuna (aka Sakurada Asuka) (cosplay)
41, 42*, 45, v9 Omake, (48)
* Includes cameos from Shiramine and Machida Kaoru

Multiple Pairings
Valentine's - 15.5, 40.5
Internet Shorts
Omake:
- Volume 6: Flower Garden
- Volume 7: Looking For

Relationship Chart

Much appreciated. Only thing is the relationship chart is off, pretty much ever pairing/thruple is a committed romantic relationship save for haine's and student presidents.

Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

^ hate make out sesh, they're still in high school... which could lead into something left to your imagination.

last edited at Aug 6, 2020 12:18PM

Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

All aboard the crack ship! I love when two people start hating each other for things that eventually drive them crazy for each other.

SillieHonka
School Zone discussion 02 Aug 00:30
Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

Also....

Guys? Guys one of the chapters is called 'The Moon is Beautiful Tonight'

Are we going to get actual development/a confession!?

Nah, I doubt it. It’s more likely they’ll literally say “the moon is beautiful tonight.” And then probably turn around and go, “Ha! Did you think that was a confession?” Or something like that.

But then there's "I love yoouuuuuu" followed by "Promise Me" so I dunno, maybe. Then again those are followed by 'what are you angry about' which could mean angry we were dumb and didnt make it happen sooner orrr angry you tried to make this happen.

SillieHonka
Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

If any series needed or warranted the creation of the idiot couple tag it is this one

SillieHonka
School Zone discussion 07 Jul 00:18
Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

These are not normal manga eyes. Weird I've never heard of the artist before

SillieHonka
Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

This felt like the Liberta × Tadokoro worlds were about to collapse into each other into a hardboiled singularity.

SillieHonka
School Zone discussion 05 Jul 13:51
Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

Some of the jokes seem to be not treating being lesbian as a valid thing. I'm cautious.

SillieHonka
Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

Top nikaido confirmed

SillieHonka
Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

Like i said long ago, the world wasn't ready for yuri vampire harem.

SillieHonka
Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

Does anyone see november 13th 2020 as the upload date? Hello future!

SillieHonka
Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

So hard-boiled!

SillieHonka
Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

You cant give consent while drunk dammit. How is this... aghh... If you were in a bar, and a stranger blasted off their ass wants you to fuck them, you simply don't !!! That's someone using alcohol so that they dont have to be accountable for their choices, its self-harm.

Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

Imagine wanting to gender the occult, couldn't be me.

SillieHonka
Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

Ok, now that you're friends, be a good one Izumi and tell Nanaki how you lied to her about what she was feeling towards Kurokawa.

last edited at May 4, 2020 12:48PM

SillieHonka
Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

Lmao the fuckin yuri bros