@Canaan I feel exactly the same way.

Although Akari x Kyouko is my secret ship that falls below Kyouko x Ayano and HimaSaku (don't tell anybody).

I'm kind of in love with this picture. It's incredibly cute and heartwarming. If it was higher res I probably would've set it as my desktop background...

I think 'loser' is a much funnier translation than 'unfortunate', however the latter is clearly more accurate. All of the jokes with Aru in the anime so far have fell kind of flat for me because calling someone 'unfortunate' just carries no weight. Maybe a better middle-ground could be reached with 'pitiable' or 'regrettable', but between 'loser' and 'unfortunate' I think I prefer 'loser', despite my usual preference for accuracy.

^ Agreed, but Nez has already tried to bring the discussion back to being more closely related to the material, and I feel guilty for unnecessarily responding on the topic further multiple times, so here's my attempt to reign it back in.

scalio posted:

Having read the previous chapters, I'm pretty sure Hino saw something "pale green" elsewhere (on Koguma or not) >>and Koguma just assumed Hino meant her underwear.

Yeah maybe she has green earrings... But if she also has green underwear that was a good coincidence

Yeah, that would be really in line with the rest of the manga and Hino's personality, but that would be a very lucky guess, and I feel like Hino wouldn't pass the opportunity to let Koguma know that she was talking about something else in the first place.

On another note, everyone has seemed really focused on Hino's negatives so far, but I really like Blastaar's point about Hino's effect on Koguma's self-esteem. In this case, Koguma's design has serviced the story nicely in my opinion, as she has shown in the past that she feels somewhat uncomfortable with her self image and Hino has been nothing but supportive in that regard. I think that's one of the strongest cases against them having an abusive relationship: Hino may actively try to tease Koguma with lightly suggestive matters, but when it comes to topics that Koguma genuinely worries about (such as her appearance or trying to be a good class rep) Hino is always supportive and she's always honest with Koguma when it counts (e.g. all of ch. 10, beginning of ch. 11, etc). I think that's really what makes their relationship sweet rather than worrisome.

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I'm guessing they just threw in the 'non-con' bit as a last minute strawman insult

the reason i mentioned non-con is because when i brought up the topic of consent and communication people were saying that it didn't matter. i wasnt trying to bait anyone, nor was i intending to say that the author of this comic had that on their pixiv. i just kind of lumped the two things that people were disagreeing with me about together, which i shouldn't have done.

Ah, that makes sense. Not saying I agree with the original statement, but I see the reasoning now.

Perhaps starting a thread for 'Kinniku Tarou' would be more appropriate instead?

There literally already is one that's automatically created when a manga is posted.

In any case, this has developed from what was originally a side comment about his work into a larger "morality of loli" argument that really doesn't belong here.

Clicking on that link brings up a prompt to "start discussion", hence why I said "[start] a thread", but sure; that's what I meant.

I took the discussion as more of an extension of the ongoing debate about the 'morality' of the manga that has been going on, using Koguma's design and Kinniku Tarou's pixiv content as another point of contention, but if you say it's off-topic then mod's word is final, so I'll just shut up now.

Is it off topic? It was originally brought up in reference to Hino's comments on Koguma's body type, (which as a sidenote goes to back up my earlier point about the commenter's issue lying with body types rather than anything else). Well, even if it is, I don't think the 'Lolicon Tag' thread is the appropriate place for it either. Perhaps starting a thread for 'Kinniku Tarou' would be more appropriate instead? I could just be wrong though, I don't know. I guess you'd probably know better than I would.

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y'all can like your non-con loli porn all you want.

Whoa, I missed when 'non-con' was brought up.

Meh, I went through their Pixiv and the closest thing I could find to "loli sex" was two separate comic strips of Sakurako and Himawari from Yuru Yuri, where both comics fade out and return to them nude (with their genitals covered, either by sheets, frames, or body positions) implying they had sex during the interval.

The only other thing that stands out to me is an illustration of a frontal nude of Sanya and Eira from Strike Witches sitting lateral to each other, with a gap between them, where their body proportions appear quite juvenile. Their breasts and nipples are exposed, however their vulvas are concealed. The illustration doesn't seem very sexualized in any other way, other than a blush and expression on Eira's face that could be interpreted as arousal.

Other than that, the artist seems to have a preference towards small/flat breasts and has drawn some feminine looking men (noteably Hideyoshi from Baka to Test) topless. It seems to me that the person who brought up issue with their pixiv is more concerned with the body type then the emotional/moral content. I'm guessing they just threw in the 'non-con' bit as a last minute strawman insult because they found it more damning than 'consensual loli porn'. Or else they're implying that no porn involving lolis can be consensual, thus the comic strips involving Himawari and Sakurako are 'non-con' by default, but in the comic strips mentioned, both characters appear to take active roles, and anyone familiar with the characters should be able to imagine the emotinal states concerned with such a scenario.

Edit: As it turns out, both of those "comic strips" of Himawari and Sakurako have been translated and uploaded here on Dynasty already.

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Tomoko's inner dialogue is on point with how she'd actually react to this in canon.

I'm pretty sure I'm the only person in the world that prefers AruBocchi, but I will die on this hill.

Hinata is a little lady killer, hehe.

Yeah, I really can't remember why I thought it was Kasumi who'd be giving birth and being a stay at home mom. You guys are right, and it's obvious once you think about it; Sakurako would be the super mom and Kasumi would be her financial support.

Edit: Oh, I remember now. It was because I assumed Sakurako would be busy working as a genius researcher, so Kasumi would need to be the stay at home mom, but Sakurako could just go on maternity leave or even just retire to become a full time housewife once she figures it out.

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I think the thing about this kind of story that gets people upset is simply that it's a girl denying masculine traits to become more feminine, and people subconsciously see it as an attack against personal gender identification, even if they wouldn't consciously view it that way.

For example, I have nothing to back this claim up, but I personally would expect that people wouldn't have any problem with a story about a girl who wanted to be more cool and masculine, but thinks that they couldn't pull it off because they were always seen as small and feminine. Even though the core message would be identical (although admittedly it would be a refreshing twist), I think people would be more accepting of it because the character would be going against the "social norm" for their gender rather than towards it.

Somehow it feels odd to watch a series and see the characters go from first year highschool student to 20 year old college kids drinking alcohol and getting drunk.

When I first started reading this series, I was a senior in highschool, and now I'm well into post-secondary education, so it's kind of fitting for me. It's almost as if the characters have been growing up alongside me :)

Knowing Sakurako I wouldn't put it past her actually being able to develop a way for two women to conceive a child together if she put her mind to it..

Honestly, I feel like it wouldn't be that far out there if that's what this series is building up to as an ending. Sakurako becomes the genius reseacher that develops same sex pregnancy and Kasumi becomes a stay at home mom with her education in nutrition (Sakurako could also help teach her to cook and do housework)... Ok, it's a little crazy, but it doesn't sound completely impossible.

Knowing Sakurako I wouldn't put it past her actually being able to develop a way for two women to conceive a child together if she put her mind to it..

I might be wrong, but -- isn't there already a way?

There might have been successful cases with rats/mice (I think I remember reading about it?), but I'm pretty sure it's still impossible in humans. If/When someone finally finds a way to do it, I'm sure you're going to be hearing a lot of talk about it.

This looks like it's quickly shaping up to be a new favorite. Hopefully the series sticks the landing with everything to come. I guess I should probably check out the novel too?

I've only watched the anime so far, but going off what I know about these characters, this doesn't look like yuri or ooc to me. Just looks like Chika being Chika and them being close friends.

I'm enjoying the confusion of having absolutely no idea what the space suit plotline could possibly be about.

What's the last panel of page 15 about? It seems like a mean thing to say that's seemingly motivated by no reason and followed by no reaction.

It's Shimamura trying to give a little bit of a push to get Adachi motivated to start going to classes. It's not malicious.

To expand on shadesofgreymoon's explanation, "Would you not..." is an (old fashioned) way of propositioning someone. Ex. "Would you not stay for tea?" -> (is equivalent to) -> "Would you like to stay for tea?"

I'm not sure what the original text said, but if I had to guess I'd imagine it was probably something like「行かない？」or「行きませんか」which is similar in that they are also propositions and use the negative form of the verb.

Quick favourite

I could see Tomoko straight up taking those tickets and just offering one to Asuka instead.

Most

i.e. not all

even then genetics often affect susceptibility to them if nothing else.

And?

Also the way Anna talks about Yuki's pedigree rather implies heredity

She explicitly calls her congenital. But the manga also makes a point of differentiating between catulus and cats. Having the genes of a Turkish Angora catulus doesn't necessarily imply having the genes of a Turkish Angora cat. I think the easiest obvious answer is that only certain breeds of catulus can be contracted, whereas rare ones such as the Turkish Angora are strictly hereditary.

Not that I actually really care whether the manga logic checks out. I was just being a little shit and taking the piss out of you, lol. No hard feelings.

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Well I think we can assume the condition is genetic at least - if it was contagious the catgirls would hardly be allowed to mingle freely with regular folks, cute or not...

Ummmmm.... You DO realize that a disease doesn't have to be contagious in order to be contracted non congenitally, right....?..??? Sorry for picking apart your entire argument btw....

Although, Nemo probably actually "really hates that anime" so I can't see this ever happening, haha.

I don't blame you for thinking that way, because like I said, Hinata tends to steal the show, but even the title of the series pretty clearly refers to Miyako (Watashi) and Hana (Tenshi). I think the story was somewhat clearly meant to be about Miyako and Hana, but I personally find Noa and Hinata to be the most interesting characters by far. Not even as a pair, but as individuals.

Not to say that I think Miyako and Hana are bad characters, uninteresting, or ruin the series like some people may claim, but I kind of view them as strong supporting characters in terms of quality when comparing them to Hinata and Noa.

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Miyako may be the protagonist, and Hana the deuteragonist, but these two steal the show, and completely make the series.

I think Tomoko's circle of friends will probably be there to stop that from happening, and lend the support she needs. Well, I could also see it being wrapped up privately between Tomoko and Ucchi, but I think it would be more fun to get the whole cast involved.