It feels so strange to see Kyoko and Mami together when Sayaka is also there.. no no no its not the real world xD

Sure does. Almost like it's completely OOC.

I'm more use to Mami's role of being the wingman. This was boring. It's a "I like her but does she like me?" episode. But instead with the fanfic-tier pairing.
Only credit I give to this artist is their Kyouko on appearances.

Underrated pairing. Superior Ufo x Trumpet needs content scanlated.

What an overrated pairing. Not even the best in it's franchise.

Homura x Madoka & Kyouko x Sayaka tags should be removed.
It was accepted before, please don't put them back up, keep them them off. It's what's accurate.
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Forget it then.

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Don't think cosplay was the right choice in clothing.

This is going to upset you but forget what I said, after thinking it over.
It is still crack, because two characters just knowing each other doesn't make the pair not crack. Madoka is not like Love Live!, where the official content actually does ship around its own characters. You keep saying it's not "crack", but you never say why. Homura x Kyuubey is as crazy as Kyouko x Mami, because both have zero chance of happening, the two pairs are the same in the only thing that "supports" them is the characters know each other.

I don't disagree with Draco x Saruman at least.

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I found a definition that matches with what we both define. This can probably conclude.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crack%20ship

An unusual relationship of any kind of fandom (i.e. books, television shows, movies, ect.) that is unlikely to happen.

This is how I see some people use to define crack.

In fact a person must be on crack to even support such a relationship.

This is where Nezchan was implying the "on crack" bid.
See how it can be used either way? But the latter seems more fitting honestly.

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Toshi I'm beginning to think your definition of "crack" is anything but widespread, and is largely limited to you and a handful of others. "Absurd" is the reason it's called crack, as in "you have to be on crack to think of something this wild". Think John K. Peta levels of insane. The term is used in similar ways outside fandom too, in the same way.

Are we going to say that the girls in Hibike! Euphonium are crack because there's a canon het endgame? Of course not. It may be "non-canon", as most ships are (literally all Touhou ships for instance) or even "non-fanon" (Love Live! ships that aren't NicoMaki for instance, or say...KyoMami) since it doesn't match the popular OTP.

When it comes down to it, KyoSaya is only subtext in the anime, isn't it? Like nobody says anything about being girlfriends, no kissing, no onscreen romance, no confession, right? Guess they're crack too. Shame, I rather liked them.

Not all non-canon ships are considered crack.
It's clear there isn't an exact definition for it. It's used in different ways.
Maybe my definition is limited to a small group.
Use it however it was originally used then.
Rorschach x Ryoko Asakura-tier.

I'm tired of this argument.

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Like IchiRuki for example: the two shared a strong bond throughout the story; but in the end, both charcaters were wed to their childhood friends. Meaning a romance between Ichigo & Rukia can only be crack because they didn't see one another romantically.

You can't really call that crack though since pretty much everyone (in the hetship Bleach community) had been shipping them. Not becoming canon does not automatically make something crack.

I assume it's considered crack now because both characters are now involved in relationships.

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You still seem to be defining "crack" as non-primary ships, which is ridiculous. When the term came into use in the first place, it was about extremely unlikely ships, stuff from way out of left field.

Again, in Madoka anyone paired with Kyuubey or Walpurgis would be a crack ship. KyoMami is nothing more than non-OTP.

Well I said above it's not absurd crack. But The term is oftenly used to define pairs that are alternative to canon.
Like IchiRuki for example: the two shared a strong bond throughout the story; but in the end, both charcaters were wed to their childhood friends. Meaning a romance between Ichigo & Rukia can only be crack because they didn't see one another romantically.
Make sense? Sorry for using Bleach as an example but it's the recent case I could find. With established endgame pairings.

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@Nevri

"Crack content is bad so it is good there is not much of it and it should stay this way." Surely doesn't sound mean to people who actually enjoy it, but you are not denying their right to enjoy it, right? You only tell them "truth" that this paring shouldn't exist, because you don't like it.

It's not "what I don't like", it's about how the character feels. Kyouko has strong affections for Sayaka & only views Mami as a friend/sister figure. That's why "romantic" KyouMami shouldn't exist. It removes Kyouko's feelings meaning it degrades her character. BUT regardless, I can't stop shippers from enjoying what they take interest in. It's up to themselves to decide what they enjoy.
This probably does offend shippers but honestly you can still explore different character dynamics simply platonically.

Here you are. In the first freaking sentence you admit it is official part of franchise.

It being official doesn't mean it's canon. Canon is what's true within the fictional setting. The events of Farewell Story are nowhere mentioned or implied to have happened in the series/movies. Therefore there isn't factual proof that Kyouko & Mami had a past falling out. It is used on separate media like CD's, PSP (I'm aware Urobuchi is involved), spin-offs, etc. And it does make sense to fill in the gaps of Kyouko's past with additional info. Which is why I have no issue with this setting but it's complex with whether canon or non-canon.

By who? Creators or you? Show me where anyone from "staff" confirms or denies it being canon.

Honestly, this one's a stretch to be considered factual. I heard a while back that on some Q&A Urobuchi gave that answer. Take this with a grain of salt because I don't think there's a source for this. So there's a flaw to my statement.

Or maybe he is? How do you know? Even if he didn't take part in original series, it doesn't mean they couldn't hire him later and made him part of the staff.

His only involvement in the franchise is making additional content for Magica Quartet & has no involvement with the series/movies.

Wow, no. Ships literally exist because there were anime that had a lot guys/girls and people started to ship them. That was it.

Literally what I said: "people take interest in alternatives".

That is why it happens in anime where there are no canon ships.

Even series with endgame canon pairs still have crack content. Forgive me but this is honestly a stupid statement.
Canon romantic affections also exist in MadoHomu & KyouSaya.

Sure someone can ignore them, but usually when we have confirmed couple(s) people just roll with it.

Most people do role with the official pairings in Madoka. That's why both MadoHomu & KyouSaya have towering results on Pixiv. Any other pair fails to reach close to their length. Reason why only a minority produce crack content. Really says something about the yuri demographic of the Madoka community.

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@Nevri
Guess I won't stop replying here anytime soon.
Who cares? People who can't stand false info.
Look, all I am doing is correcting what is canon using facts. The posts above are not harming anyone nor telling people to quit enjoying this. I mentioned it before that you can interpret relationships however you like, I don't care. But don't go around spreading false info as if they were factual.
Sorry if someone having a reasonable civil discussion on helping people understand the franchise comes off as an asshole to you.
Also, there doesn't have to be a confession to confirm strong feelings of affection. Both pairs Madoka & Homura, Kyouko & Sayaka share affections from what the story portrays.

Also news flash, the ships exist in the first place because there was no confirm canon ones.

They exist because people take interest in alternatives. It isn't the best thing to do but it happens. There's no stopping it.

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@Minutoh
Absurd crack content like Rorschach/Ryoko Asakura is a whole 'nother level, sure. But crack is still crack.

Non-canon and crack aren't the same thing of course.

We'd barely have any yuri fan works if that were the case.

Crack is oftenly addressed to pairings that involve characters who aren't likely to be in a romantic relationship.
It's why only about a minority produce KyouMami content. Pixiv results are nowhere close to the towering MadoHomu & KyouSaya.

last edited at Sep 19, 2016 9:41PM

@Anubis3200
@Minutoh
I said above to Nez that I wouldn't comment anything else but this is something that needs to be addressed.

Both The Different Story & Farewell Story (CD3) are official content. But are not actual canon material but brushed aside as "side content". In fact, the script for CD3 was written by: http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Masaki_Hiramatsu who also wrote TDS & adapted CD3 on the first volume. He's not apart of the staff. So no, KyouMami isn't anywhere near canon. In the series/movies alone; they had little to no interaction. Side material such as the spin-off, CD, PSP, etc. That support a past relationship between Kyouko & Mami are all portrayed platonic familial love.
You can strap on your goggles & interpret it however you like, I don't care. But the purpose of this post is to correct on what you find canon.
Also, @Minutoh poly isn't an option for me. Not fond of it.
This post means no harm.

last edited at Sep 19, 2016 9:08PM

Crack content is pretty rare. That's a good thing; the less there is, the better.

Give it a rest, please.

Only re-posting my original comment. Won't be hearing anything else from me in this forum.

Crack content is pretty rare. That's a good thing; the less there is, the better.

last edited at Sep 18, 2016 11:33AM

Close indeed, Tatsuya.

After a few months, we finally get another Madoka doujin.
This was real cute.

This was real nice, It kinda hits me that Yuru Yuri will probably never have any engame pairings but at the very least we have content that gives us that sweet feeling of development (despite being fanmade).
A great read, teared up a bit and it's always nice to see my favorite pairing apriciated.

Ridiculously Adorkable.

"It was your smile".

Let's hope she keeps it.

Haaa ~ cute.

Harasho...