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eibon06
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Some people are into rape fantasies and do in fact find them sexy. It's fine if it's not your thing, though I find it weird you chose to read this work despite the tags clearly indicating there would be rape in it.

Rape, sexy ? At what moment reducing someone to an object to please your pleasure is sexy. Rape is a violence you are doing to another person. If you found it sexy or exciting you should question yourself and seek help.

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I didn't say anything about "deserve." Nobody deserves to be sexually assaulted. But that scene establishes both the tone for this manga (that is, that it will contain sexual assault and molestation) and context for Yoh's character (that she's arguably no better than Ren and she knows it).

Don't phrase like you did ! Saying that Yoh isn't "clean here" just imply that her being molested is just pure Karma.
She did it to her friend, so if someone did it to her, we shouldn't be sad for her because she's not better...

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(Also let's not forget that Yoh sexually assaulted Misa in chapter 1, her hands aren't exactly clean here.)

And ? Since she assaulted her friend, she deserved to be assaulted too ? WTF
The two of them are in the wrong but unless Mr. Douchebag with a pretty face, she didn't blackmail her friend to force her to date her !
Clearly, the author doesn't know how to write a story with a credible drama without adding SA.

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....this is sell as a Yuri manga ?
This belong to burnable trash and especially "Mr.asshole I treat women as object because I have a pretty face". She should have hit him at the second he forced a kiss. Also he's blackmailing her ! This dude is an abuse !
The aaaagnst, unrequited love, lesbian in the closet, childhood friends and my crush is heterosexual wasn't enough for the drama, now we have an abuser.
I'm not reading this.

eibon06
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Another ero-mangaka who don't see the problem of depicting a rape scene. They always resort to some shady way to force a character to have sex with another.
It's not romantic, not sexy and aside perpetuating the rape culture the only thing I feel in front of these scenes is awkwardness.

eibon06
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Jesus this girl really. "I want to hurt the people I like and they should be able to endure it if they want to be with me".

eibon06
Double Bind discussion 21 Jun 19:11
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She should have slapped her really hard. Quitting her girlfriend just for a little crush.

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When will this be published in English. I want a physical copy of it.

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So toxic.

eibon06
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This is fuckin bullshit, from the beginning to the end.
Katsumi is such a bitch ! Toxic relationship or not, she clearly overused the kindness and love of Aki.
What she needs is not a new relationship but to learn why she always end up in a toxic relationship.
In this new relationship she's going to involves, Aki did all the hard work to make it possible. She's just a trophy that Aki won at the end.
And the magically turning gay at the end...please.

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Oh My God. Finally, we have the last chapter. 2/3 different version of one work, really it wasn't necessary.
Thanks the translation team for doing this great work.

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The chapter are so short. It's so frustrating

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I don't understand why people make this kind of story with heavy subject and especially when it involves children. I can understand if it's about child abuse and when it's only use to make feel more empathy with the character going through that. But here it feels like the author is going going to only give use torture porn with children... They have to stop doing that

First and foremost, it's fictional. No real life person of any age was harmed, so the author can do anything and everything. Child abuse as backstory to invoke empathy is ok, but it's not the only possible usage, the author is crafting a story, if they finds a new way to use an element that fits the story, then it goes into the story, that's normal. Moreover there are technical aspects to it: Heavy subjects would be even more heavy when they are inflicted on the weak and naive/innocent characters like children, and there are plot lines that only work if the characters are children...

I believe the readership/audience has the freedom to choose whether to consume a work, while the authors have the total freedom to create whatever story they could think of and could express into a presentable form. If one reader finds a story to be distasteful, then they should drop it and read other stories. It's not like the existence of a weird story would delete the existence or limit the growth of other "good" stories, it's no longer the age where books must be copied by handwritting and only a limited number of people knows how to write. The abundance of and the ease of access to information and works (fiction or otherwise) nowadays are unprecedented in human history, the choices are practically limitless. It makes no sense trying to impose what sort of story an author should or should not create.

It's not because it's fictional that you can say and draw everything you want. It's not because they were not real persons harmed that you can show the more hateful and immoral things in your story. Words and pictures have meanings and can be more harmful and impactful than any physical actions. This stupid argument and the other "people choose what to read" are the things that lead us to have story (manga, anime, BD, comics ....) that show and spread harmful ideas that actually hurt real people.
And in this case, there is nothing to justify the choice of actor to show little children being abuses and one of them impregnate by her dad ? WTF !

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So, i think they all be resolve with a time skip.
OL confess to Mai, they decide to way and they star dating with 18

That's literally grooming a child.

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Oh what a suprise ! Let's see if she's going to be a reasonable adult and accept a beautiful offer from a childhood friend, or choose to remain a Pedo creep for the rest of her life. But since we know the fate of childhood friends in yuri, the end will be pretty predictable.

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I don't understand why Japanese mangaka like to tell this kind of story in yuri.
Another unrequited love with a straight girl who get jealous when her best friend has another friend who actually understand her struggle with falling in love with a girl who is so dense that she can't even see when their BEST FRIEND is stupidly in love to her when they are literally in front of them ! I HATE THIS KIND OF CHARACTER SO MUNCH. They are so fucking stupid ! Or stupidly awful when you know that they actually knew how their BEST FRIEND loved them but prefer to dodge the subject and choose to sleep with the maximum of guys and report all of her adventure to show her how normal and natural it's to be with a man.
They are so unlovable.... This is the last chapter I'm reading from this... thing.
If she wants to be in the closet for the rest of her life, good for her ! But she shouldn't monopolize her BEST FRIEND from getting close with other people and trying to move on from their stupid unrequited love ! You have a f*cking boyfriend girl, let her go !
This is why I call this kind of character selfish straight girl.

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This is one of the very few manga where you see someone ask for the consentement of their sex partner before doing anything and that during their first time. It's refreshing and so great to see and also so cute. They should do that more.
Most of the time, they just assumed what their partner like. They never fucked before but they already how to please each other all based in their passed experience.
Each person have their Way to cum, it never kill to ask.

eibon06
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This trope of a girl disguising herself as a man to be together with a girl and having the girl not knowing her true gender, is so problematic.

I mean its less about the gender and more about the fact that she is replacing a dead person...

Here I was talking about the trope in general. But yeah, what our MC is doing here is identity theft. And apparently it's not condemned by the law if the person you are using the identity is dead, at least from where I am... Interesting.

eibon06
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sight building a new relationship on a lie is one of the worst idea ever. Typically, this a red flag. And no matter how their relationship develop, Lily shouldn't trust the MC anymore. And Clearly the maid is going to be a partner in crime. She doesn't want to see Lily unhappy anymore. She's going to lie together with the MC. And at the moment Lily knows that, she's going to kill herself. Unless the author is going the play the card of "she knows that she was lying since the beginning but play along to have a friend".
This trope of a girl disguising herself as a man to be together with a girl and having the girl not knowing her true gender, is so problematic.

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The MC suuucks so munch ! She's willing to do it with a sex robot but not with an actual human. Come on !
Another childhood friend who will never end with the MC. Really, childhood friends are cursed in yuri manga. They mostly are used as drama bringer. Always behind the new girl. It's sad to follow their struggles to get MC attention when you already know how it will end.

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And drop ! I have enough with this trope of a cold introvert and a selfish extravert. With one only living for her love of music and the other doing "bad things" to steam off from the pressure she has by being the daughter of two prestigious musicians.
Also, a love triangle with whom ? The faceless boyfriend or the kouhai who is not even in the cover and has 0 change to end with the MC.
But Really ! Beginning your yuri manga a het kiss ! Next step, beginning a yuri manga with the girl getting fuck by a guy ? Oh, sorry we already have that :/ ! That such a great way to turn you off from continuing your reading. At least for me

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I don't understand why people make this kind of story with heavy subject and especially when it involves children. I can understand if it's about child abuse and when it's only use to make feel more empathy with the character going through that. But here it feels like the author is going going to only give use torture porn with children... They have to stop doing that

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Bisexual in yuri.....Pass !

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Yep, the worst. So next chapter we will get the sex scene with her being on the other of the wall ?

eibon06
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Oh, a prequel ! So bad ending incoming ?