Did I condemn anything other than abuse? No.
Smoking is absolutely without a single possible shred of deniability bad for your health, yet (at least right now) everyone is allowed to smoke. It's your choice to harm yourself as long as you don't involve others.

Hoo boy, and you said I was making false equivalencies. To compare actually inherently physically harmful deathsticks to someone having an alternate style relationship that could, possibly, be harmful when combined with other already harmful things like violence and not communicating about diseases isn't as much a leap as a rocket liftoff.

It was an example of how even something absolutely bad can still be up to choice. I was giving this example to point out what actual moralizing is.
You really suck at this lol

EDIT: Jeez. I am done with the slut topic now. You two are insufferable.

So I'm guessing I'll never be seeing any kind of citation to back up that blatantly spurious statistical claim you pulled out of your ass then.

LIker I said, I'm done with this topic. This isn't the right thread for it. The Miyuki thing however I can talk about.

How is it that essentialist body controlling cunts always make themselves out to be the victim? Of "outrage" or "cancel" culture or people being mean to them on the internet or what have you. You come and insinuate that a whole group of people are somehow less worthy and suddenly it's their and others' fault that you get called out for it. Especially in a place like this where people are already weary and trained against that kind of shit.

I'm done with the topic, because I don't fancy getting banned again for going off-topic for several pages.
I could argue this stupid topic for days with you and you would never actually achieve anything, because you are fundamentally misguided about the entire situation.

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You sure spend a lot of words condemning her "slutty" habits for that. Nevermind now parroting about verbatim the usual checklist Moral Guardian types tend to level against nigh any sexual behaviour outside whatever particular narrow stripe they find to be acceptable; I'm slightly disappointed at the lack of "think of the children!" there to be honest.

Did I condemn anything other than abuse? No.
Smoking is absolutely without a single possible shred of deniability bad for your health, yet (at least right now) everyone is allowed to smoke. It's your choice to harm yourself as long as you don't involve others.

Someone who was up their ass about morality would say that it should be forbidden or a crime or whatever. Your silly accusations simply completely miss the point. It actually sounds more like you two are preaching to me about how much I should support that lifestyle.

Aside from manipulating and hurting people of course, like Miyuki does.

I suppose the former would be guilty as charged already by the default that "seduction" certainly falls under the rubric of interpersonal manipulation; the latter would be rather debatable and require citing what you think implies she's intentionally doing so just for starters.

Leading someone on (knowingly) causes emotional distress and pain. Psychological abuse is not any less problematic than physical. I think the recent chapters made it fairly obvious that Miyuki isn't an idiot. She is completely aware of what she is doing and that people like Asuka will get the wrong idea or be hurt by her actions.
Taking advantage of a vulnerable person is abuse by most standards.

EDIT: Jeez. I am done with the slut topic now. You two are insufferable.

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Was that copied verbatim from the young republicans' rant on why gay pride needs to be ended or was that just a happy accident?

Wow, you're really good at beating that strawman. I make no difference between homo or heterosexual in this situation. I don't stop anyone from being a slut or a manwhore and I don't shame them either. You are just full of it.
Anyone can be proud of anything, but that is not reality and never will be. Perhaps promiscuity will be normalized one day alongside polygamy and whatever else, but the consequences of that lifestyle exist right now and that's a fact.

Those aren't even closely related to each other none the less this, but neither of those are things to be ashamed of either or not proud of so long as it's not toxic. "Emo kids" too, that's some LUG style nonsense.
This all reads like those cunty "what do they have to be proud of, why can't there be straight pride" trashspews, go fuck yourself and your essentialism.

These things (junkfood enthusiasm and emo cutters) are related in so far that they have averse consequences on your life and you can easily avoid them. It's your lifestyle choice unlike a sexuality or something you were born with. So please, go away with your false equivalencies and appeals to outrage culture. You can't turn this on me.

The way (some) people here manage to jump headfirst into stuffy Victorian moralism without even noticing never ceases to amaze, disappoint and amuse me in equal measure.

Morals were never a factor as far as I'm concerned. Aside from manipulating and hurting people of course, like Miyuki does.

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And you, Nene, never fail to pretend the Japanese audience is somehow relevant to discussions here or even better, that you have any idea what it actually thinks.

While I obviously agree with the core point, White Rose's summaries are about as useful as a can opener made of wax.

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Now that is a power move!

"Promiscuity: an unhinged way of life."
Did I accidentally walk into the incelforums or what. Being manipulative is one thing, but nothing about being proud that you're fine with multiple partners is "unhinged" so long as you're not a toxic ass about it.

Sleeping around always ends badly. Always. It's just a statistical inevitability. Whether its a sexual disease, a bad partner who does something violent or whatever else you can think of. Announcing it to everyone and getting a reputation for it ruins your social life in the long run too.

It's a lifestyle choice and of course you can live comfortably with it, but it is still rather unhinged. Like only eating junkfood or cutting yourself (emo kids are also proud to show that off). I won't stop anyone who is into it, but nobody will look at that and say "Wow, they should be proud of that".

It's certainly nothing to be proud of, especially when she exploits people.

Quoth yourself,

Those two things are really not connected.

Except that is not applicable. I'm specifically saying that she is an exploitative slut.
And that nobody will be proud of it either way. It's just an unhinged way of life. Some people prefer it.

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Miyuki is a slut. nothing more, nothing less. No need to argue with me here.

Are you actually trying to play the slut-shaming card in the current year.

It's certainly nothing to be proud of, especially when she exploits people.

Nakatani has stated she won't be doing another yuru series in the future

F

From what I've heard, for Nakatani, the "non-yuri stories" category also includes the " stories that include yuri, but yuri isn't the main focus of those stories" category.

This is pretty common in general. A lot of writers and artists in Japan seem to think of Yuri as a specific romance-centric genre, not just anything that happens to have girls that like girls in it.

Well suppose someone says you only write battle manga, but you actually write slice-of-life stories with occaional battles in it. I guess it's somewhat like that. It's just an element of a bigger narrative, while saying "I write yuri" basically means you focus on the yuri.

Wait a minute... how can someone listen to "Garasu no Hanazono" and not ship Eli and Nozomi?

Because a song is a song.

I think Nevri is right, this is just a result of too much actual yuri bait torture. People can't enjoy nuanced romance in yuri anymore.

I think this is the result of certain people being unable to accept the fact that some readers call something “yuri” when they don’t.

Their only acceptable answer is “You’re right,” but the only answer on offer is “Who the f*ck cares?”

Whether you wanna tag it yuri or subtext or whatever doesn't even matter.
Facts are facts. Their relationship is undeniable. As far as I'm concerned you could even label it Yaoi, whatever, but don't lie about what is actually factually there in the text.

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PS: So where do the normies come in? Doesn't look like you can actually support that claim.

It caters to the same group that likes Yuru Yuri, Kobayashi-san or even Nanoha. Like I said, I don't like that kind of narration, coz for me it's just bs and waste of time. I was fallowing this manga from start and dropped it after volume 3, because of that.

Kobayashi-san is outright Yuri with Kanna and Saikawa, Nanoha is as close as conceivably possible without actually crossing the line, but NONE of those are actually like Futaribeya. That is what I'm talking about, you are blatantly misreading this story.

Do Nanoha and Fate ever kiss on screen? Do they tell each other they love each other?
Does Kobayashi ever directly say "I love you" ot Tooru? Does she completely accept when Tooru says they are lovers?
No, those shows, while extremely heavy on the yuri subtext, are actually subtext. And even then Dragon Maid is nowhere near bait.
But Futaribeya is just unambiguous straightforward yuri. I just gave you examples which you cannot refute in my last post. The actual reason you people say this stuff is because Kasumi isn't proactive enough for you. You just can't stand it when one person is not openly affectionate all the time.

I mean.. you dropped the damn thing at Volume 3. You don't even know what their relationship is like now. It's just ridiculous.

I think Nevri is right, this is just a result of too much actual yuri bait torture. People can't enjoy nuanced romance in yuri anymore.

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First time hearing about Denshi Birtz being an yuri online magazine, but whatever. As I said I don't like the narration of thier story. Every close scene is treated like a joke or not serious behaviour. Sakurako can be serious but Kasumi is not (e. g. that 'aishteru' moment).

Sorry, I mixed it up. The TAG on the story on that online magazine is YURI.
This is a comedic 4koma manga, of course most scenes won't be treated overly seriously. Their relationship is a lighthearted one. That doesn't mean it's not real.
Are you kidding me? Even if you for some reason think that the "I love you" barrage was just lipservice (which is just ignoring everything about Kasumi's character) the first two panels are unambiguous. She says "Is there really a need for me to say it?" Anyone with a modicum of common sense would understand that to mean "Of course i love you, but why do I have to say it?"

Kasumi has shown several times that she loves Sakurako. Do you think her kiss was just a joke too? Do you believe that Kasumi, who always objects when she really hates something, would not speak up against Sakurako saying they are lovers or will go to a honeymoon?

This is such a blatant misreading of the intention and the dynamics... It hurts my head that so many people still could possibly think like that.

PS: So where do the normies come in? Doesn't look like you can actually support that claim.

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I kinda agree about horrible narration of the Kasumi and Sakurako's story. It's neverending tease (I like to call it a bait) for readers who like yuri. It's playing it safe, to not cross the line, coz this manga is popular with normies who like reading about girls close friendship who hug, kiss, grab boobs, etc. but never goes beyond that, because then it's rezu.

What the actual hell?
This is a yuri manga published in a yuri online magazine with explicit yuri relationships in it (even if you were dense enough to not understand Kasumi and Sakurako's somehow). Nothing about this is supposed to appeal to "normies" who don't like yuri. That's just... so many levels of ignorant it hurts.

They crossed every possible line except having sex. What exactly do you NEED? It's not a tease or bait just because they don't fulfill some arbitrary requirement you people need to comprehend that they are in love, dating and going to be married in the future.

^This isn't the Fate series. Around here mana gets transfered in the oldfashioned way. Violently taking the BLOOD of your magical victims!....or marriage.

This is all giving me a serious sense of deja vu. Especially Nevri's response.

That comment very much reeks of bait.

Must be easier to call my post bait rather than explain why one couple is in an open relationship that explicitly has sex while the main "couple"s most romantic moment is a kiss on the cheek.

If you want explanations, don't act like an ignorant thug who thinks they know it all.
Every. Single. Forced. Point. You. Make. Was explained dozens upon dozens of times in this thread. You can go back a few dozen pages and read through aaall of these tedious points. Believe me, they were exhausted beyond belief.

My only guess for why someone would still say that nonsense is either actual legit disability level blindness... or trolling.

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Miyuki is a slut. nothing more, nothing less. No need to argue with me here.

is she bi?

Those two things are really not connected.

Do we really still use interracial like it means that? Oof.
For a second I thought the request was about like monster girls.

100% delivered, title not clickbait.

Cat tongue can hospitalize people now...

Why are you even giving that buffoon any attention? That comment very much reeks of bait. Like, every single point is specifically something annoying people said in the past and were corrected on dozens of times. It's just too much ignorance in one post to be real.

Let's not feed the troll everyone.

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I think that Risako and Reiichi had an "affair" ever since high-school. As in, they were and still are sex-friends.

Why Reiichi would cave in and go out and even marry Kaoru (even though I don't think he ever loved her) is still unexplained, but I'm starting to feel that he did it at the instigation of Risako, or at least with her blessing.

I think it's fairly obviously motivated by guilt. If Risako gave her blessing it only implies she actually cares about Kaoru.

Kaoru says in the last chapter that risako is the best liar she knows and therefore she has already suspected her and seen her work.

The reason she says that is directly tied to the high-school flashback, Risako lied about not dating Reiichi back then, but Kaoru found out anyway and was devastated.
It makes you wonder why she would hide it, if not to spare Kaoru. Risako can't be so stupid that she thought Kaoru wouldn't find out. Unless she really just didn't want the hassle of dealing with that whole situation.

But after Kaoru's fall down the steps, Risako returns Kaoru's cellphone to Uta while explaining that she was at the scene of the accident. As Risako must have known would happen, Uta immediately told Kaoru that Risako had returned the phone and Kaoru (at that point still suffering from short-term memory loss) realizes that Reiichi and Risako were together.

So did the author simply forget that Kaoru would have every reason to know that Risako and Reiichi were together when she had her accident?

What you are forgetting is the line Kaoru said right after receiving that message from Uta.
"So I was with Risako back then..."
Kaoru pretends that she doesn't remember and instead thought she had been out with Risako. I don't remember any scene where Reiichi or anyone else mentioned that he was actually there during the accident. Kaoru cut him off before he could say it. And afterwards he made a call to someone (which I assume was Risako), so that's how she could have found out that Kaoru doesn't remember any details of the accident, including who was there.

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I bought 'em all and will keep buying 'em.

And there is a big fat Yuri tag on this story. Let's not use the S-word ever again for this story about the gayest woman ever born and her pet-wife.

Ok so you're looking at the scenario that

I'll stop you right there. I'm not thinking of any scenarios here. I only tried to convey why having a baby is not detrimental or farfetched from Reiichi's perspective. You have to stop looking at it from a meta perspective and what you prefer the narrative to do and just look at it objectively.
Whether the story will actually go in that direction or not is hard to predict. But the possibility absolutely exists and is in character for all involved.

Making Risako some kind of antagonist is taking the easy route to be frank. Even monster mom is not much of a real enemy, she is just a really annoying person.

Be careful I only assume

Yep, all of those were assumptions. I don't think there is any evidence to go either way.

Making a baby would not help him at all, on the contrary he will have to be more present, he will have to work harder to earn money to cover the expenses incurred and he will have to take care of the baby too, something that when you know reicchi is hard to imagine... Moreover, being a father it will be even more mentally difficult for him to cheat ,even for risako.

He could comfortably pay for an entire extra person (Uta) and they never seemed to have financial troubles at all, so he won't have to work harder to earn more.
I don't think you understand how this works. Kaoru is a housewife. In these kinds of scenarios the wife takes care of the baby and the husband uses his "I work to bring food to the table" card to avoid having to take care of the baby.

rolls eyes
Again, we dont know if he is cheating or how often he is cheating or if it even cares about Risako that much.

For me it is almost certain that risako knows that reicchi doesn't want a baby that's why she throws it so easily on the phone to kaoru because maybe she wants kaoru to realize that her relationship is based on nothing... a way for a calculating bitch to have a free field without getting her hands dirty...

Uhuh. Except Risako was there when Kaoru's friends brought up babies and Kaoru said she wanted to have one. This is just a callback to that. If it was such an obvious move she would have already pushed Kaoru way more back then and repeatedly after that.

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Frankly we do that supposing but reicchi shows so little enthusiasm for playing husband, that he prefers to play video game rather than go out with her on his day off, that he doesn't even see that his own wife is uncomfortable and that she lies to him, that he regularly sees risako and therefore the inevitable favorite I doubt he is willing to have a baby.
We know that he is a man who avoids any kind of conflict through spin and that it does not stress him any more than that, which shows an incredible nonchalance.
So maybe he'll say yes to get rid of it, but I think it'll make him think, because he knows he's going to go to some kind of "prison" .
In fact, not only did uta serve as an emotional substitute for kaoru but also for his brother to occupy kaoru...

Reicchi plays super friend and not kaoru lover, kisses he keeps them for risako.

He had a good reason. After an exhausting day of helping with the move he is too tired to go on a date.
He does often notice that both Uta or Kaoru are uncomfortable, but whenever he asks they brush him off. Is he letting himself get pushed aside too easily? Sure. But it's not that he is entirely unperceptive.

Prove to me that he sees Risako "regularly". We don't even have evidence for that yet. Pretty much everyone here argues entirely on guesses.

If he is scared of being tied down, it's far too late. This marriage is already a prison. A baby would make Kaoru "happy" and distract her from her bad feelings, so it's actually a good solution for Reiichi.

Funny, because there were several chapters where he kissed Kaoru.

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