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Melon posted:

What I don't really get though is that traditional roleplay housewife and money earner. I think it's sooooo outdated, but not in Japan, huh? Or maybe it's a joke.

Lol. It is a outdated joke. Machi even commented on it.

schuyguy posted:

目に見えてる
They'll see right through me
change to
I can already see it

Idk if you are part of the group, but in first "目に見える" is a expression that means "clear; distinct; apparent​", so "目に見えてる" would be something like "It'll be obvious" and I believe that is why they translated it as "They'll see right through me" since they assumed she is referring to her parents.

Oh, I thought she was saying "it's already obvious how this will turn out". I assumed that the she would've used 目に見える for something that will be obvious.

And no, I'm not a member of the group. Personally, if I make errors I'd be happier that someone point them out to me, so if I notice errors I do the same.

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Errors on page 5

目に見えてる
They'll see right through me
change to
I can already see it

先手打って全く世間に 自慢できないような相手と 結婚してそれを親に 事後報告してやりたい
Why can't they be happy with me just marrying someone who doesn't meet their expectations!
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It makes me want to just find someone they can't brag about, and only let them know after I'm married!

Page 10

めでたく 両親の見合い攻勢を 撃退したわけだけど
I've turned my parents ideas about marriage upside down.
change to
I successfully pushed back my parents' marriage offensive, but...

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I thought Shouko-Chan was in love with sato , so why did she kiss Asahi? Or am I just interpreting it wrongly since I view it from a romantic side? I’m just confused .-.

Shouko is straight. Her main connection with Satou was that they'd go out after work to pick up guys (and based on Satou's record, presumably they were successful more often than not). I mean, that's not conclusive, she could be bi, or be repressing her true feelings, but she's stated on more than one occasion that she's looking for her Prince Charming. Either way, her love for Satou was always presented as the love of a close bond of friendship. Satou was the only person who knew Shouko's true self, so Shouko felt a deep connection to her. Maybe there was something more, but if so it was hidden.

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Summer Fuse discussion 27 Apr 05:25
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I like this story, but the bit at the end seriously detracts from my enjoyment. The first time she asks the clerk, I can sorta understand her friends' reaction even if it seems ill thought out and inconsiderate (personally, if a friend of mine randomly tried to ask a store clerk out without warning me, I'd probably go outside to wait for them instead of freaking out on the spot).

But then at the festival, when it seems like she's being rejected, the guy telling her like, "Hey, forget about that bitch, there are plenty of people who'd be happy to date you" maybe would be excusable as awkwardly trying to comfort her, but saying "Hey forget about women, there are plenty of men you can date" just seems like rubbing salt in the wound. But the store clerk's reaction is even weirder! Jumping in at that point and saying "get yer hands off her you rat bastard" is pretty fucking odd in this situation. Maybe if she said, "hey man, stop being an asshole to your friend here" it'd make sense, but instead she's yelling at him for touching his friend and acting possessive over a girl she's barely even spoken to. That's just creepy, and it's weird that it's played off as her being cool.

Actually, the more I think about it the more annoyed I get. She's being just as judgmental of the girls' relationship with her friend as the guy is of the girl's attraction to the store clerk. I think, "How do you know what their friendship is like? Why do you think it's inappropriate for friends to touch each other like that? How is that any of your business?"

Clearly the guy is the asshole in this situation, but her response is just strange.

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Satou cut ties with Shouko, not the other way around. And its not like Shouko knows that. Betrayal is still possible.

Uh... Shouko definitely does know that Satou doesn't think of her as a friend, since Satou told her right here.

In any case, I just think it would be incredibly unreasonable to question that a kid trolling the streets night and day searching for a girl and putting up missing posters would be making the whole thing up. Also, she looks exactly him. They're obviously related.

Sure there are a bunch of weirdos in this world, but it seems like only Satou has met so many of them. Shouko has clearly had a normal life, and any normal person in this situation with the evidence she's seen would jump to the (correct) assumption that Satou had kidnapped that girl. Having arrived at that conclusion, sending a picture as soon as possible to the poor brother letting him know his sister is alive is just the right thing to do.

Sending that picture turned out to be the smart decision too, since she ended up getting fucking murdered by Satou. If she hadn't sent that picture, Asahi would never have found out who Shio was with or even that she was alive.

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Is the brother really a brother ? I don’t know why I’m so confused by his gender when they have been calling him (him) and he doesn’t seem to correct if he wasn’t but somehow because of his clothing and the way he looks it makes me think he could be hiding his gender ? Maybe I’m just overthinking it lmao

To be honest, since he was introduced I assumed he was male but wasn't sure because no one ever referred to him by a gendered pronoun, using "ano ko" "omae" or just calling him by name. This can happen in Japanese, where the use of gendered pronouns is relatively uncommon. I was forced to choose a gender since English grammar requires the use of gendered pronouns, or incredibly awkward gymnastics to avoid them (plus I was fairly confident he was male, since his style of speaking is masculine and he refers to himself as "ore").

But finally, on this page Mitsuboshi finally called him "otoko no ko", so he's a boy, or at least everyone thinks he's a boy. This was relief to me, since it'd be rather embarrassing to have to add a note saying "Hey guys, so about that kid who I've been referring to as 'he' this whole time... well it's a she". But I was saved when my assumption proved correct. Asahi is definitely a boy, or presents as a boy.

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I'm hoping Shouko isn't dead, the wound at least didn't seem too deep, so I'm hoping perhaps Satou just did enough to knock her out. Or maybe destroy her voicebox, so she couldn't talk. I feel like I'm hoping too much, but I just want her to not be dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3at_Ev2kOoI

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She is trying to help someone who told her a story without any proof by snapping a picture real quick, texting him and then lying to her "dear friend". She was real quick to backstab Satou and then lie to her face about it. She isnt trying to help Satou, she clearly saw Shio happy and healthy and yet didnt even confront Satou about taking in a lost child before assuming the absolute worse. Was she right? Yeah, but she didnt know that.

Why would anyone believe that Asahi was lying? He's spent months wandering the streets putting up flyers about a missing girl. What could possibly possess someone to do that, except for the obvious reason that she's his missing sister, just like he says. When Shouko saw Shio living with Satou, taking a picture and sending it to Asahi is a perfectly reasonable response. It's his missing sister that he's been looking for for months, letting the guy know she's alive is just the right thing to do.

Plus, even if it were all some giant misunderstanding, or if Asahi were lying, and Satou's relationship with Shio were perfectly innocent, then Satou would have nothing to hide, and lose nothing from Shouko sending a picture to Asahi. The only case in which Satou would suffer from her doing that would be if she had actually kidnapped the girl.

Also, why do you think Shouko lied to Satou? Judging by all the dialogue on page 186, Shouko directly and honestly confronted Satou about kidnapping Shio, and told her to return her to her family. That's the opposite of lying.

I would agree with you in that this might be a betrayal from Satou's perspective, but I don't think even that would be true. Satou cut off all ties with Shouko. Satou might have seen Shouko's reaction to meeting her aunt as a betrayal, but after that she treated her like a stranger. You cannot be betrayed by someone who owes you no loyalty.

After these events, she's lost any grey area she had on the outside world and its people, now she knows she can't hesitate anymore.

And she dirted her hands and brought this person who turned out to be filth inside her little guilded cage, her castle, while Shio was in the next room and very able to hear the sound of what was going on. I guess we have to see if that's something that "belies her love" or not.

Yeah, I think she'll take an even harder line from now on. She murdered her last link to any sense of connection to any person other than Shio.

She might see having allowed Shouko to intrude as a personal failure that breaks her vow to Shio, but I don't think murdering Shouko in front of Shio will bother her conscience much, since that particular qualm hasn't stopped her before. She doesn't seem to keen on Shio finding out she's a murderer, but that seems more of pragmatic compunction than a moral one.

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That rule's technically in the books. But don't count on most Sharia governments or Muslim societies to enforce it.

Well, it did sound a bit too funny to be true. But I like that it exists, if only on paper.

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Don't forget traditional Islam. If a man fails to satisfy one of his wives and favors the others over her, then she's allowed to divorce him.

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Wait, ch 24 is supposed to before ch 23, right? Then how did he get the picture?

Most of the chapter is a flashback, and then it jumps forward to after Shouko is dead.

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And Satou still thinks she can justify it to herself because her friend freaked out when she saw her aunt. Or maybe she's just saying that, we know she'd have to kill her either way.

This might be important to understanding Satou's psyche. Back when Satou brought Shouko to her aunt, I think she was of two minds. On the one hand, she saw it as a convenient way of getting a potential obstacle (Shouko) to leave her alone and stop asking questions. She knew she could either scare Shouko away or use reaction as a way to guilt her into withdrawing.

But I think also that part of her genuinely hoped that Shouko wouldn't withdraw, and would remain her friend, unlike all of the other people who had rejected her in the past. So even though Satou set up Shouko and manipulated her, she probably was also genuinely hurt at the perceived betrayal, no matter how unreasonable that is.

I do wonder, if Shouko had passed Satou's "test" earlier, would she have hesitated about killing her here?

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Everything went to shit, until now Sato was a sadist but hadnt diertied her hands (except the previos owners of their 'castle')

Not sure if Satou is a sadist. She doesn't go out of her way to be cruel, and she doesn't torment people for pleasure. Usually she seems very upset after interacting with the people she hurts (though admittedly, not out of any concern for their well-being, or regret for hurting them). She just does what she thinks necessary to preserve her love, regardless of any negative consequences for anyone else. I agree that with this she's definitely crossed a major boundary.

Without knowing how she acquired Shio, it's hard to judge her for kidnapping her—at this point, for all we know Shio was abandoned by her mother, or had run away, or she was abused, and Satou saved her. Likewise, her murder of the artist is maybe justifiable. After all, he was in the process of strangling Shio to death when she killed him. Every other case where she's manipulated or injured someone (like cutting those thugs' eyes out in chapter 7) is similar, where one could argue that maybe they deserved it, or she was acting in self-defense.

But her killing Shouko is absolutely immoral.

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Not entirely sure, but I think the shameful thing she was considering was not just hugging Nanoha but also keeping the club as a private sex room for just the two of them.

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Touma-kun discussion 21 Apr 00:58
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The fact that a woman feels the need, to get married, to become an adult, is a tragic statement, in it self.

For most people, male and female, getting married is part of becoming an adult. That's been pretty much constant throughout human history. Only recently, and only in a few small parts of a few societies is marriage being seen as unnecessary for large numbers of people.

Even if you don't hold that view (as I don't ) calling it "tragic" is pretty narrow-minded.

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It's super gay

Um.... In that case I find that word extremely childish... I see many 10-13 year olds using that word and it leaves me with... Uh... Kind of mixed feelings.

I don't want to speak for someone else, but it's pretty obvious that "gay" is not being used as a pejorative here, but rather as a description of a series that involves gay characters.

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Touma-kun discussion 19 Apr 07:21
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No matter how silly this story is, I also find it somehow very depressing.

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Liberty discussion 15 Apr 21:41
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Another option is that the author is gunning for the Forgotten Childhood Friend trope: Liz and the MC were childhood friends, except the MC couldn't recognize her again behind the rock star persona, even after Liz has shown her girly private self. She was really upset about the guitar-shaped earrings mainly because they showed that the MC is perceiving her as a distant rock star, rather than remembering her as a friend.

But that wouldn't explain the first time Liz shoves her away, when MC touches her ear while they're making out after the show.

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Liberty discussion 14 Apr 22:22
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If she has an ear issue, my guess is that deafness affected her at some point. Weather she's deaf in one ear, or had a lover that was deaf. Considering she's a singer, that could explain some things.

I had the same train of thought: what if Liz is actually partially deaf, but hides it so it doesn't ruin her career? That could lead to some extreme insecurity regarding everything that has to do with ears and, in turn, to major overreactions, the like of which we've seen twice so far.

(Speaking from personal experience, my significant other is affected by hearing loss, and is very sensitive to having her ears touched -- though not nearly as much as Liz.)

I think that's even more unlikely than my silly comment about her having infected piercings and reacting negatively to earrings because of that.

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It's ending this month, at chapter 18.

Oh. You're right.
from http://n-motoworks.blogspot.jp/2018/03/incident-17.html (spoilers for chapter 17 in link)

As stated in the margin note, next chapter will be the last. It's too bad, but the series is being cut. There's no special reason, it's just that the volumes haven't sold well. Well, I guess it's just my own lack of ability. It's too bad. However, fortunately(?) I've been aware of the possibility that it might get cut since chapter 14, so I had four chapters to wrap up the story. Originally I'd wanted to put in a few more twists and turns, but no matter how long the story continued, this is essentially how it would've ended. And so I think all of you who've read this far will enjoy it to the end. I finally produced a draft for the last chapter just a few days ago. I wrote everything I wanted for the ending, and enjoyed doing it. I hope you read it.

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Too fucking adorable.

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I dunno why, but I'm really getting a kick out of this.

I mean, I can look at it and see that it's trying to be some edgy shonen thing... but I can't help but to get a kick out of it.

I guess this is my popcorn manga for the year.

I feel the same way. I have no idea why it's so fun to read when it so often falls into some ridiculously contrived bullshit, but I still enjoy it nonetheless. Almost every chapter I find myself looking for signs and making some kind of prediction about the direction it would go if it were an actual psychological thriller—a story where the drama and suspense is driven by the inner conflicts of the characters and their tenuous grasp on reality.

But I'm always wrong, because of course it's really just a "psychological" thriller, where insanity is some kind of superpower, and the characters' thoughts and feelings don't matter to the plot at all, except when confronting their inner conflicts lets them go super saiyan.

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I know it's only been 2 chap but..,
if they keep using this,
"the two of us are dating but"
in the beginning of every chap.
Iswear to god.., I definitely would lose my mind!

I don't know why it's bother me so much wtf :P
plz stop xD

I have some bad news for you....

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Liberty discussion 11 Apr 16:48
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But seriously, that reaction wasn’t about the earrings being cute enough—she barely glances at them.

At this point I’m assuming Liz is not simply psycho, but I’m going to need some more concrete support for that theory pretty soon. Or else we can save ourselves a lot of time by just jumping straight to the boiling bunnies and bloody butcher knives.

Agreed. Jokes aside she's gotta have some super intense earring-related relationship trauma going on. And even that isn't enough to explain her behavior, which has been incredibly mercurial, to the point of being pathological. Why start making out with someone just to scream and shove her away when she touches your ears? Ears get touched, you should know that going into making out, it's one of the perils of doing business. And why invite someone over just to yell at her and kick her out? Her persistent overtures clearly indicate she's made up her mind to seduce Honjou (who seems more than willing to be seduced), but her reactions show that she is possessed by some intense emotion that overpowers her ability to reason.

But intense emotion that overpower's one's ability to reason is one of the things I read Momono Moto for, and even if she isn't writing this one herself, it does not disappoint.

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Liberty discussion 11 Apr 15:23
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Well, yeah. But when you receive a terrible gift, you feel guilty about not liking it, even though you appreciate the sentiment. So the downside of buying a terrible gift is that you cause the recipient to feel bad.