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I am more of the same opinion as Serenata, she seems to me less anxiety-ridden, and more like she wants to have it easy. There is some anxiety, indicated by the dream in chapter one, but it does not seem to be a prevalent factor. She is more preoccupied with wanting to play games, to say nothing about the fact she openly admits (to herself) she is glad she is not the one who has to go to work.
So, the whole society around Neeko tries to make her feel bad about being unable to find a job. And she does! But, actually, she probably shouldn't.
I have not noticed people, even her immediate family, give her a particularly hard time over it. In fact, she seems single-mindedly obsessed (without anyone rubbing her nose into it) how other people are moving forwards with their lives since high school, in various ways, and her sole reaction seems like a mixture of anger, irritation, and/or contempt directed towards them over this.
I also do not think this work is supposed to be an accurate representation of what is like to be a NEET, but eh, we shall see. Is only two chapters now.
And maybe that's the final message of Neeko : being a NEET is okay. You can play Video Games at home, or slave away as some random office lady, the net result for humanity will be the same. But in the latter case, you'll be a lot less happy
That is a horrible final message. Net result for humanity is always the same when we talk about individuals from what is essentially the lower end of society, the working classes. You can say that for literally anything and everything. It is not about the whole of humanity, it is about the people in the immediate vicinity. Since we do not live in the Star Trek universe, someone will have to work in order to provide for a NEET. Unless we are talking about rich families, in which case it really does not matter, being a NEET basically means leeching off of someone, and that someone does not have the luxury of not working (because they have to provide for themselves, possibly other family members as well, and the NEET).
That is not to say there are no cases of anxiety-ridden people, those who are genuinely in such a predicament because they have actual psychological problems, and in these cases, specialists and therapy should be made more readily available (and harmful stances, such as in Japan, where psychological issues are treated as a sort of taboo, should be combated), but still, saying "being a NEET is okay" is not terribly helpful either, in my opinion.
I can think of only two scenarios in which being a NEET is not problematic. One, if you are rich. Two, if you are from the working class, but have someone who is genuinely willing to work in order to provide for you, and sincerely does not hold it against you, and actually does not expect, or even want, for you to find a job (and let us be realistic here, does this sound like a typical human mindset?).
Here's the raw
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Bloody hell, awesome! Both of them are so adorable, I literally went "kyaaaa" on that scene!
And yeesss I did
https://twitter.com/SereneAndSilent/status/926572444038631424
Also awesome! Very nice muscles there~~
Edit: Took a look at your other artworks, and bloody hell, I recognise those Re-Class and Airfield Hime images! I came across them on Danbooru! Huge fan of the Abyssals, and Re-chan is especially adorbs, so I often peruse those sections. Awesome work!
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Oh my God we have raws.... ooooooohh it's soooooooo niiiiiiiiiiiice, I'm dreaming
Where do we have them?!! By the by, ever finished the pointy-eared lady?
Apparently, the title on the official book cover is "Secret crush on my sister" - which would be less ominous than the current translated title.
Judging by the alternate title given on the website, the general sense seems to be something about Uta's feelings not able to reach Kaoru. If you think about it, the term secret also implies something along those lines but looks a bit more hopeful than the other two. I'm curious to have one of the translator's input on the translation (if you have the time <3).
Page 1 of this thread, it has already been brought up.
Regarding the Doylist argument, it is still possible this aspect was just something they neglected to address, or, alternatively, they toned up the violence in "Force". I have only gone through "Force" once, years ago, and I have not revisited it since, so my knowledge is shaky, at best, but I do not remember anyone being killed on-screen. I agree it is not a fun argument, though, and it is not something I am much interested in pursuing, to be honest. I brought it up mostly to bring attention to the fact many aspects of any given show that arise debate amongst the fans could simply be something the creators did not even think about. That being said, I am merely mentioning this, I am not interested in actually taking this stance.
My original argument was that most attack spells of the Mid school are non-lethal, even if taken without a Barrier Jacket.
Only way to know is if we see those attacks used against someone without a Barrier Jacket, which, as of yet, has not happened. These attacks could be completely non-lethal, but they could also be lethal, just not on a protected target. I am personally of the latter opinion, but at this point, it is not much more than a personal view that makes sense to me. After all, if this was actually answered by the show, we would not be having this discussion.
Now, considering TSAB is big on the policing aspect, it stands to reason their mages would tone it down when going against regular criminals, who should account for the majority of their usual adversaries, and are probably not high-grade mages. As I said, this actually makes a lot of sense. In this particular aspect, I do believe most spells used are indeed non-lethal, but I also think Bureau personnel would have a shoot-to-kill option, if the need arises, merely on account of the fact other magical systems (and even Midchildan, on occasion, according to the examples we already provided) have the capability to inflict bodily harm, and even outright kill. It just seems like a bad policy to not have the option to match your enemies, should circumstances become dire enough, and it would place TSAB at a disadvantage I find hard to explain, given they managed to become so big.
especially considering that most of their engagements must happen in densely populated urban areas and we know that even on the Mid, most people don't have magical talents and cannot summon Barrier Jackets
That is another problem, as well. The sheer destructive power. Again has me wondering if the creator thought this one through. Such an attack can lay a building low (these spells doing material damage is pretty much indisputable), thus carrying the risk of: A) killing the target by proxy, through fall, flying debris, or burying them beneath the rubble (the Barrier Jackets indeed protect from kinetic damage, from what we have seen in the show, but what if the mana sustaining the armour got depleted in the final punch?); B) killing other, unprotected people in or around the structure, again by proxy. And the thing is, these attacks are used in combat, when decisions are made in split seconds, and rely on insufficient data. How would a mage know there are no possible collateral casualties in the vicinity, or indeed if the protection of whomever they are firing upon will last long enough to protect them from potential secondary damage? And since these massive attacks seem to be needed to overpower strong opponents, how would TSAB contain such an opponent in a densely populated urban area?
Considering this potential to inflict fatalities, I find it hard to believe the attacks themselves are non-lethal. Now, this is not an actual argument, I know. A spell could very well be non-lethal, and still inflict massive material damage, but I just find that hard to believe, as a concept someone in that universe had come up with at some point. It is like designing a bomb that could lay a fort low, but spare the garrison. It sounds great, but since one could not guarantee the crew would not sustain massive casualties through secondary damage, I see little point in this. Especially since it drains the energy from the caster, just seems wasteful.
Do note, I am not saying "all Mid attacks are lethal", I am arguing that the high-grade ones, like the Starlight Breaker, probably are, if fired on unprotected targets. One further reason is something that ties in with what you said before.
It is possible you are indeed correct, that they are designed to overwhelm the magical defences, and concentrate on the nervous system of the opponent, but evidently, that requires a lot of power being discharged (when facing a well-protected enemy), and I think most of it is used for bringing the defences down (since in real life, the nervous system itself can be brought down quite easily, without the need for overwhelming levels of energy). An undefended target would get the full weight of the attack solely on their nervous system, and considering the amount of energy we are talking here, I doubt it would be non-lethal. Let us take the example of Vice's sister again. It is entirely possible the injury she sustained was inflicted to her eye's nervous system. It would keep with the idea of the nervous system being the intended target. If we also speculate that Vice was probably aiming to knock out the criminal (which would keep with TSAB's apparent policy of avoiding killing their opponents), this means that a relatively low-level attack, used on a target without protection, resulted in lasting physical damage.
Now, the attack itself was evidently not lethal, even against an unarmoured person, but if a relatively weak attack like that can do this, imagine what a Starlight Breaker could, under same circumstances.
As for the military argument, that is why I phrased it as "having military capabilities", rather than "being an outright military". I also said they are "trained to use non-lethal settings, which would keep with the peacekeeping, policing aspect". Basically, between TSAB being a full-on military (which obviously it is not), and it being just a peacekeeping police force (which I find unlikely), I am taking the middle approach. Most of their staff is probably involved, and trained in, the usual policing duties. However, they likely do have the capability of militarising (and probably dedicated staff and resources to see this through) if the need arises. I am not saying there is a current external threat present in the show, I said "reasonable possibility of an external threat". The universe is a pretty big place, and can not be treated as a single planet, where all the players are known, visible, and within immediate reach. One role of the military you overlooked is defence, to prevent others imposing their policies onto you.
We have not seen any of the administrated worlds possessing their own military, or even police forces. If they did, that would lead to constant clashes over jurisdiction with the Bureau, and make the whole system unfeasible (what if the local politicians or populace want their own forces to take care of certain things, only way this is not a constant issue is if they have no such forces, and instead rely on the Bureau). It stands to reason they look to the TSAB for not only policing the area, but military defence as well.
Now, this all ties in with my opinion of the high-grade Mid spells being lethal, because otherwise, TSAB's best personnel, its high level mages, would be a rather unreliable asset in a large scale crisis (such as a war, even a localised one), and I doubt anyone would deliberately design an entire magical system around this concept.
As for Orusea, it is not an administrated world. There could be any number of political reasons TSAB does not want to get involved. If they did, it is quite possible their fleet alone would be enough to settle the conflict (however, this is just my opinion, largely unsubstantiated, it would depend on the level of Orusean military, on which we know nothing).
If you would like to know what the Mid would look like if TSAB actually was a military with someone to fight, I can recommend reading the Nanoha BetrayerS doujin. Or not, if you don't want to witness the Nanoha canon and ideals completely perverted and defiled.
I quite liked the "BetrayerS", but the approach I am going here is closer to a fanfic series called "Shadowverse". Basically, the TSAB has a department, the eponymous Shadows, who do the Bureau's dirty work (covert operations of all sorts, assassinations, etc.). While not exactly a military approach, it has two elements that can tie in to all of this, and which I quite like. One is the fact TSAB recognises some threats need to be dealt with less heroically (and decidedly un-police-like), shall we say. The other is that Mid magic can be used with lethal purposes. It actually goes into the mindset of the usual TSAB mage (Nanoha), who is specifically trained to avoid shoot-first-and-shot-to-kill, and who, as a result, loathes the Shadows, and considers them no better than murderers. Can be found here.
No, he was presented as a man who forgot his first wedding anniversary.
Lol, and that contradicts the statement you were replying to in what way, exactly?
It's not normal by Japanese standards. It's the first major thing he does in the manga so from the beginning it was establishing he wasn't very committed to the marriage.
It is covered under "neglectful of his wife". Besides, I glossed over it, to be honest, because I am really bad with dates, any dates, in real life, so whenever I come across something like this, I like to give the character the benefit of the doubt.
No, he was presented as a man who forgot his first wedding anniversary.
Lol, and that contradicts the statement you were replying to in what way, exactly?
An emotionally idiotic character, a shitty character, and a clueless husband being cheated on. And it is the shitty one that gets the cake and eats it too. Provided the cheating is not discovered, of course.
I thoroughly dislike the two mains, but I do like the story.
The guy himself he probly knows fully what's going on and simply dosent care there are people like that everywhere
I would imagine people knowing they are cheated on, and not caring about it are something of a rarity. Regardless, there is nothing in this (short) story that would suggest your interpretation is in any way correct.
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Koveras
Good points. However, what makes me think Midchildan magic could very well be lethal is Vice's example. While it is true it only affected his sister's eye, point remains it still had a physical impact of some kind. And since TSAB is big on the whole non-lethal approach, the reason the damage was not more extensive might have been because Vice was probably aiming to knock out the criminal, not outright kill him.
the Barrier Jackets (and the Numbers' counterparts) cover the entire body in a uniform layer of protection (a broad conjecture), or the magical attacks used by Mid mages only cause pain and fatigue without actual physical damage to most tissues (hypersensitive ones like retinas not included)
I am personally more inclined to the former interpretation, especially since many female Barrier Jackets have exposed arms, legs, or midriffs (in a mildly stripperiffic take on what should essentially be a battle armour). One thing that stands out, in my opinion, is the amount of clothing would seem to indicate the level of protection, as Fate's Sonic Form demonstrates, but the clothing itself seems more like a symbolic representation of the barrier, rather than being the armour itself. Otherwise, everyone would be clothed head-to-toe.
One other problem is we never actually see Nanoha, or anyone, for that matter, going full throttle against an opponent who does not have magical protection of one kind or another. Alternatively, we never see them going full force against a protected enemy, but with unprotected collateral casualties in the immediate vicinity. So the non-lethal element is displayed only against opponents who wear magical protection.
Now, one further reason I think Midchildan magic probably has a lethal setting is what you mentioned at the end. Belkan magic clearly has lethal capabilities. On-screen example is Signum killing Zest. One particularly interesting thing about that scene, it seems the magic was what dealt all of the damage. She clearly sliced him quite severely, yet in the end there is no blood or wound of any kind, indicating it was entirely the magical aspect of the weapon that killed him, despite the fact Laevatein is an actual material sword.
Now, while Belkan magic is not the same as Midchildan, it is still magic. I always imagined it made more sense that magic is simply the energy source, while particular styles, Belkan, Midchildan, and such, were basically differences in approach to the usage of that energy. It does not make a lot of sense for the two magical systems in the same universe to operate under completely different parameters.
Also, the fact remains that since the fall of the Belkan Empire, it was Midchilda who rose to prominence, and basically took over the vacant position of the global power. Supools, the planet where Caro and Erio go to after StrikerS, is designated as Administrated world number 61. Even taking into account the possibility that administrated and non-administrated worlds are numbered under the same column, there are at least ten named, canonical administrated planets, and it stands to reason there are more, by the sheer numbers used for designating. Whatever TSAB present itself as, fact is they hold a global reach that goes far beyond mere policing. Realistically, in order to keep these worlds in order, TSAB has to have military capabilities, which is indicated by the fact they use military ranks, military-grade equipment, and have what amounts to a sizeable battle fleet, even if they do not market it as such. I always compared them to Star Trek's Federation in this regard.
Now, my point is, it just seems unrealistic they could have risen to such a position, if their magical system was inherently non-lethal. Especially since we know, on the example of the Belkan Empire, that this universe is not an idealised, demilitarised paradise. What if another expansionist empire emerges, how would the TSAB defend itself? The sheer size of the administrated space, and the reasonable possibility of an external threat, suggest that TSAB does have proper military capabilities, and I just find it unfeasible they could keep this up if their magical system was designed to be non-lethal. Most likely, they are just trained to use non-lethal settings, which would keep with the peacekeeping, policing aspect they are evidently so big on.
Furthermore, we have to take into account the fact their usual adversaries, the criminals, are not inclined to play under TSAB rules. Since this universe clearly has lethal magical capabilities (Belkan), seems like TSAB mages would be at a disadvantage if they had no option of shoot-to-kill at their disposal. Now, most criminals are not high-grade Belkan mages, and this is what actually further lends credence to we-do-not-kill official approach, since TSAB mages could easily dispose of such targets, but it would tarnish their reputation, much like excessive force allegations can do for real world police forces. However, it also stands to reason they will have the option, should circumstances become dire enough.
But even the high-grade non-lethal attacks (such as Starlight Breaker), as I mentioned above, are never used on unprotected targets, so it is questionable if they indeed are non-lethal by their nature, or are they such only when used against an opponent who has a Barrier Jacket, or an equivalent.
One other explanation is that both sides of the argument are going in too deep, so to say. It is entirely possible the 'no killing' thing was implemented by the staff/author, to lighten the show. Alternatively, this could have been done with no ulterior motive at all, simply as a result of not much thought put into this particular aspect.
Koveras
Alternatively, we could go here. It is an off-topic thread for this Forum, so basically we can discuss anything there. The place is almost completely dead at this point, so all the reason more no one would object.
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The best courtship is beating each other silly with non-lethal weaponry. ^__^
...provided you wear a Barrier Jacket.
Barrier Jackets just protect you from getting slammed against the walls and such. AFAIK the magical attacks themselves don't actually cause any permanent physical damage in Nanohaverse...
Notice the number of walls and bulkheads that gets smashed. Only reason Quattro survived that was because of her Silver Cape, which is cyborg equivalent to a Barrier Jacket.
Edit: Besides, it would be highly unusual to have a military based on non-lethal weaponry. Arc-en-ciel, the ship-carried magical wave motion gun, and basically the ultimate magical weapon TSAB has in its arsenal, is stated to be capable of obliterating everything in a 100 mile radius.
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The best courtship is beating each other silly with non-lethal weaponry. ^__^
...provided you wear a Barrier Jacket.
Good to know that we still have like 30 chapters ahead
34, to be exact. And I spoiled myself to all of them... ;_;
Btw what I much like more in manga over anime is the Yasuna's approach, or I guess their personalities are totally different. In anime she is too afraid to approach Hazumu, even after he turned into a girl, in manga once he turns into a girl, she realized it is like a miracle for her cos now she don't have to worry of it disappearing one day and comes on strong at him at every opportunity. Her being so aggressive was really refreshing compare to typical melodramatic love triangles.
Yep, I agree. Also, in the anime there is that being-sick-and-needing-your-love-interest-to-get-better factor. I mean, Yasuna did not deliberately use it, but the fact she also lost the ability to see female faces in the end, and was devastated, led, amongst other things, to even Tomari admitting Yasuna "needs" Hazumu more. There was none of that in the manga, they both pursued Hazumu as equals.
Also, I swear this is my last off-topic post here. I actually tried searching for Kashimashi thread, to post there, but it does not exist, apparently...
Best afterword ever, lol.
Nevri
Nah, I know that. She did not know she was about to die that very instant, and it is left ambiguous what her intention was when she met them on the rooftop. I wrote that she was unable to decide until it was almost too late, because fate intervened and almost killed her then, not that she deliberately waited until the last second. Hazumu loved both of them, and she was always a lost cause when it came to tough decisions, so she stalled making the final choice for much of the manga. In fact, she stalled until what was supposed to be her last day of life. Alien-kun did miscalculate, but only by a few hours.
As for the anime, yeah, it was over before the final volume of the manga was published, so the staff had to wing it regarding the ending. But, considering that a snippet of the OVA, specifically, the parts where Yasuna breaks up with Hazumu and Hazumu then confesses to Tomari, are included in the last regular episode (12th episode, after the credits), and even the OVA came before the final volume of the manga, means that the anime ending of Hazumu/Tomari actually predates the manga ending. That being said, it was done much better in the manga. In the anime the breakup with Yasuna has little sense, and it somewhat cheapens Hazumu's feelings for Tomari, when Hazumu practically immediately after said breakup confesses to the other girl. I mean, I liked it because I rooted for Tomari (in both versions), but the anime ending felt like something out of left field.
Edit: Also, lol, getting off topic too much.
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