Just in case, there's no difference for currency who you fight. You always get 6/3 for win and 3/1 for a lose.

OrangePekoe posted:

However, there may be cause - I don't know presently - to pair Wholesome with a tag you wouldn't do the same with.

Wholesome BDSM stares

shadesofgreymoon posted:

No Wholesome for you two either anymore. You both also now get Feet instead.

It's fine. I'll just hid myself in my Floof

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BugDevil posted:

Funny coming from you of all people. Hypocrites will always be hypocrites, alas.

Good to know.

You missed the point Nevri. This is not about BDSM.

That's exactly why I wrote "And I think that can apply to any fetish." I simply talked about BDSM, because that's what I have the most knowledge about and what is the most often misunderstood.

It was merely an example of something that does not fit under the wholesome tag, whether it's happy, nice, good or whatever else you believe it to be. There is no version of BDSM that fits under this tag.

And I was explaining why I disagree with your opinion.

You may be offended by my overstated phrasing, but it does not mean I am ignorant.

The fact you think I called you ignorant, because I'm offended and not because I just give you explanation why you're ignorant, is honestly all the proof I need to know you have no clue what you're talking about. Also you can't offend me, because I got exactly what I expected from you.

What a joke. You sure love putting words into people's mouths. Ew.

Funny coming from you of all people.

If everything can be wholesome, then it sure is hard to define.

I only implied it, but the point was that they said that wholesome only apply to stuff that focus more about feelings than naughty bits, which excludes fetishes by default. My point was that it's misunderstanding fetishes, by assuming they can't be about feelings. I wasn't saying all fetishes deserve a wholesome tag, but that you can depict them in a way that focuses more on feelings than sex, even if they're fetishes. So you missed my point.

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BugDevil posted:

For example there is nothing wholesome about BDSM to me, even if both parties are completely comfortable with the arrangement. And no... aftercare is not wholesome. it's just the bare minimum recompensation after something close to voluntary abuse.

Wow, and you just proved you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. It was a while since I read something so ignorant and grossly misunderstanding something, I'll just pretend I didn't see it.

Anjelika posted:

I also believe extreme perversion and sexual content, even if no negative feelings are involved cannot be considered wholesome.

I agree, and I think most people would. That's the "innocent, pure" part of my definition. I can certainly imagine people debating the exact line (maybe some people think anything sexual at all can't be wholesome, while I personally hold the opinion that some stuff with a focus on the feelings of love and not the naughty bits is still wholesome), but I doubt there are that many people who are calling extreme fetish material wholesome.

Well first of all BDSM is a spectrum so just labeling entire thing as "extreme" is a little. Not to mention everyone has different line when something becomes "extreme". Secondly, it implies that BDSM doesn't involve expression of love. Sure I can understand why some people could not understand it (it's not for everyone for a reason), but to blindly saying there can't be BDSM play that focuses more on feelings is just plain ignorant. Something many people don't know or forget about is that entire premise of BDSM is based on unquestionable trust for your partner, that they won't take advantage of you when you allow them taking control over you. The act itself might seem to other people as very vulgar, but the feelings behind it are very pure and deep. So to simply dismiss it as something that can never be wholesome in nature is incredibly ignorant. And I think that can apply to any fetish. Ultimately it's all about strong bond those people are sharing that they're willing to act on their biggest fantasies without feeling ashamed or embarrassed about them.

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Anjelika posted:

I don't know where you're seeing people that have a completely opposite meaning of "wholesome". It's a word with a pretty clearcut meaning

Well, my first exposure to this word (term?) was from this discussion and it was used by purist to talk about "true" yuri manga that had no controversial elements and were a proper, good portray of lesbians in media, so my initial impression of it was very negative. I never saw people using it that way again and after that the meaning of "that work gives me warm fuzzies and make me go awww" was the only one I saw, so maybe it's just my bad luck that the first time I saw it being used was by purist minority.

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I just wanted to point that saying "if this story had more pages, it would be even greater" is a huge assumption. Sometimes limitations are exactly the reason something is great and given more space and freedom can ruin projects.

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Also it assumes that given those 40/30 pages, author of Lily Marble would actually put them to good use and not try to fill them with whatever they want losing focus and making story worse.

Veya posted:

it is shiny and rainbow!

Valid point x3

Veya posted:

remember everyone, only go for 1.8x multipliers, 1.7x is acceptable but any lower than that is a no-no.

Nah. For past 2 mirrors I was tryharding and in last one I won all my matches and only lost once like twice and still only got A++. In order to get A+++ or S, you must aim to get the best multipliers to get the highest score possible from all the matches. And rank S gives you nothing outside of satisfaction and bragging rights anyway. This time I don't give a fuck and just go for easy matches so I'll earn as much currency as possible and I only want to grab tickets and cores anyway.

Well the whole point for something to be exclusive is for people who own it to feel special. They pretty much pay for bragging rights. Outside of giving incentive to buying something, people might not buy otherwise, because of its limited status, exclusive stuff doesn't really have any special value for people making it. That's why limited units are sorta best of 2 worlds, because they're exclusive in a sense, but aren't 1 time only deal, so it's not like if you miss your 1 chance to get them, you won't ever have them. So in theory there's no real point to keeping her exclusive, but in practice they'd be pissing off a portion of their customers that buy things specifically, because they're exclusive. Also I have to agree with Sakura Cartelet here that promising NA exclusive content and then adding it to JP anyway, would be terrible PR for them, but then again since when gacha games gave a fuck about players. If FGO is anything to go by, people would actually rather defend them, no matter what kind of shitty practice they'd sink to.

Veya posted:

has a ridiculous amount of pots and yet she keeps hoarding them like some sort of AP-addicted dragon Get on my level...

Hahahah xD My friend who is a serious dragon would approve xP

Sakura Cartelet posted:

Well it looks like the next event will be a skip for me since it's pvp focused and I have little interest in the PVP in this game. The rewards or event shop don't look that good either.

Well ranked Mirrors are literally play 10 matches daily for a week and that's it. I think you get smaller number of event currency for losing, so you could play it without trying and grab whatever you care about the most in shop (tickets are usually the highest priority).

riverFlower

I was shocked when I found out the tercio formations are NA exclusive because they're the best formations in the game in terms of pure stat boost, element flexibility, and not getting three megucas blasted to oblivion at once.

That makes us two. Until I watched video about MR mechanics I had no idea they were exclusive and honestly it only annoyed me more, because in JP the meta is stall. Light/Dark megucas are the strongest, nobody make other teams than 3 of those and light formation with Madokami, Darc and Kokoro/IroYachi is pretty much only thing you'll find in mirrors. Well at the time that video was made anyway. Those formations give elemental megucas the edge they needed to make making formations using them worth it again.

Unrelated, this event has finally forced me to use up AP potions one after one. Well not even actual AP potions, just the 50 AP ones. XD That's probably a good thing cause otherwise I'd have 70 of those being hoarded for no reason.

recently reached 700 50 AP potions and over 100 normal potions and actually started to stop buying them from support shop, because what she gets from events is enough, because she never runs out of them despite spamming them often to farm entire shops Y-Yes.

Sakura Cartelet

Keep in mind JP also has the Union Assault and Tricolor Raid formations which NA does not have so it's not like they don't get any exclusive content on their end either.

I know and I hate it too, especially since formations are like one of the main gameplay mechanics and current options feel incredibly lacking. Double so since those formations look like something I'd actually use a lot. Just because exclusive content existed before it doesn't mean it's a good idea. Honestly I hate current concept of gacha games and I shouldn't really play them. Only reason I do is because I like those franchises and characters, but I'd never play game like that just for gameplay alone with their current models.

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Well she still attends high school, so she can't really be older.

When I was briefly checking reddit after Ashley was announced I found someone mentioning that the reason U.S. broadcasting of anime has mobile game ad at the end, unlike Japanese, was because Aniplex didn't like that NA wasn't as profitable as JP, that's why they were pushing it. I have no clue if they just expected more money or it really is unprofitable or w/e that's even true or not, so take that with the grain of salt.

About exclusive content, I don't like it, because it gives precedence and next time JP could get exclusive meguca and if she happens to be someone I'd like, I'd hate it. Also I didn't mention it but I do know we already got some exclusive content. We have 6 NA exclusive formations that are really strong, so it's not like it'd be first. But again, I'm against idea of exclusivity in the first place. And if they intend to keep Ashley as exclusive, then they really did a poor job on her.

If a JP player wants Ashley they can always join the NA server.

You do realize that's not a solution whatsoever?

I honestly think MR is very forgiving and generous. They got pity system that not many gacha games have. But then some decisions they make really make me question their motives. Like our pacing is a terrible idea and it really feels like just a way to squeeze as much money from people and possible. I even heard people saying that as soon as we'll catch to JP, they'll close it, because "it's not as profitable as JP". Ignoring that gacha games are not popular in west, I wonder why MR doesn't bring as much money? It couldn't be that we get no break between events and nobody, even the biggest whales, can really afford to spend insane amount of money to buy gems to 4 slot new meguca every next week.

Yes. I believe 21 or 22 is the legal age for being a adult. Or at least you need to be that old to drink.

Well, as much as I dislike exclusive stuff, what I hate more is that they released her as a "first exclusive NA meguca", but it's so obvious they won't stick to it and will add her to JP sooner or later. I'd be honestly impressed if they stick to their guns and kept her exclusive, but I can already see all the JP players getting upset about it. But that's the issue. If they're going to add her to JP, then she isn't really NA exclusive so marketing her as such is a plain lie, which honestly pisses me off more. I had similar issue when FGO did similar thing with "exclusive NA event" which was just Scathach banner mixed with new year's guarantee gacha (which pissed a lot of NA players, cos that meant our pool of guarantee 5 stars was smaller) and we did not get new guarantee on new year's. If you're not really going to give us truly exclusive content, then don't market it as such.

And Ashley is 100% going to be added to JP. I heard 1 very good theory, why they didn't take advantage of having a bilingual voice actress voicing her and instead made her sound like someone doing a poor job of dubbing character from anime and not like, you know, a actual native, is because she's going to voice Ashley's Japanese lines for JP as well, so this way both voice and the way of speech will be the same between NA and JP, but unlike NA she'll actually sounds good in JP. And don't get me wrong. It's not actress fault. I saw her video announcing that she will be voicing Ashley and her English was perfectly fine. In fact I liked her voice, so what they did with it is insulting. Out first "exclusive" NA meguca and they couldn't be even arsed to make her appeal to us first and foremost, but instead they focused more on how to easily add her to JP after that marketing stun is over. And don't be fooled. They don't care about us. Releasing her exactly before Homura's banner is a perfect proof. It was so obviously planned I could literally taste all the cynicism and corporate influence behind that move. Not to mention making her limited instead of unlimited or even 3 star so she's easy to get, on top of making her meta breaking so even people who didn't really plan to roll for her, will think twice before skipping.

On topic of limited girls. Ideally you want to have enough to roll at least 2 copies (and pray for no spooks rate up is a lie) because having 2 passive memorias is the most important gameplay wise. Of course having 4 slots is ideal and you will definitely want to have 4 for girls you care about the most. That's how I try to do it anyway, so I skip a lot of banners and just save my gems, cos I'm not really spending money on it. Especially now that I'm really satisfied with what I currently have.

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Honestly, if not for the NA tempo, it wouldn't be that big of a difference.

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BeanBeanKingdom posted:

I assume the author went with a fish in the title because it represents the aquarium club theme more directly even though the actual metaphor in the series involves a salamander and a frog.

I was thinking that tropical fish also is meant to symbolize aquarium, but honestly, I just like the inherent contradiction of that sentence. The tropical fish, by definition, only lives in hot environment and probably couldn't survive in place that has snow, so it longing for it could pretty much lead to it's death. Yet there's something strong about wanting something, you know you shouldn't or couldn't. It reminds me of Olaf's love (snowman from Frozen) for summer. I think it reflects the frog and salamander dilemma pretty well.

That's imo the issue with groups not translating titles. Cos they can often have special meaning, but people are not aware of it and whenever someone brings it in the thread, the chance everyone will see it is very small. Especially in long threads.

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Actually from what I read it's not first time that meguca was released without Doppel. It happened few times in JP as well. And the reason is exactly that InuCurry is handling all Doppels so they just sometimes don't have time to design them when girl is being added. And missing Dopples were released without banner or anything special like that, so we don't need to necessary wait for next Ashley banner. And the reason i heard she didn't get Doppel is exactly that InuCurry was busy with anime and didn't have time to design it so now that animu is over, I assume we should get her Doppel sooner or later. I do agree that she's definitely not a meguca that needs it asap, cos they already released her in meta breaking state.

@Veya, don't worry, I was flexing in thread earlier so xP I also play pretty much since the start, though I think I started with 1 week delay, but I currently have all my girls at episode lvl 4 or higher and I'm in process of maxing everyone's magia. Soon everyone will be at least at lvl 4.

Sarah of the Night posted:

question:

im new to this site. whats the etiquette here concerning commenting on old chapters? asking since there appears to be one large discussion thread for each manga. do i keep comments about previous chapters that may have released years ago to myself so i dont clog up the thread, or...?

You're free to discuss all chapters that are uploaded on Dynasty. So for example there's a series that has 4 chapters uploaded, but other sites have up to 20 chapters. You can talk about the 4 chapters that are on Dynasty without worry, because when going to discussion thread, you're expected to read what is on Dynasty, but if you want to discuss future 16 chapters that are not yet uploaded, you have to use spoiler mark.

riverFlower posted:

By the way, I saw the title translated as "A Tropical Fish Yearns For Snow" on TV Tropes. Can anybody confirm if this sounds reasonably accurate? I was just surprised because didn't expect "tropical fish" or "snow" to be in the title. Don't seem to be symbols either character has been associated with.

That's the literal translation of the title. I believe someone already mentioned it in the thread and explained it with similar contradiction as frog which despite wanting to be free, started to want to stay with salamander. Or something like that.

B-to480 posted:

+Multiple Tags searcher.

You can. It's just easy to overlook.

Advanced options really shouldn't be hid by default. It would solve half of the issue. Other half being that you need to search for anything in order to access advanced options in the first place.

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So, I watched Fragtime movie and I have to say... it was a huge disappointment. For how short manga is you'd think they would have no issue fitting all the material into movie, yet the movie is only 1 hour short and still manages to cut some stuff out. I dislike changes on principal, but I'm not necessary against them by default, but I have to say, movie really didn't do source material justice. It felt really rushed and girls have no chemistry whatsoever and for some unyurily reason they cut out most of the moments that actually showed their personalities and relationship. But even all that wouldn't be as bad if not for the fact, they changed the 1 scene that I loved in manga the most. The fact that final confrontation was in public with all classmate present was what really made it stand out to me, because that's so rare in yuri manga, also the fact that Murakami's friend actually was a good person and called her on her bs as well. Movie just make it a private scene between them without any audience, which made it much weaker.