You'd be able to see the big toe from this angle normally.
Anyway, this image evokes a certain Suffocating scene. Such a great chapter.

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Honestly the thing that annoys me the most nowadays is the favoritism mods show towards certain members. I think I lost count for how many times certain people have gotten away with breaking rule 1 while others are insta-banned for doing the same thing.

Yup. That's the extreme bias. Whether it be favoritism or topics, nothing is equal here. I've seen so many cases of people insulting each other, writing literal hate speech or being absolute pricks, but with absolutely no repercussions.
I have a feeling that a big factor is also how much of an uproar it causes. If someone just writes an inane comment full of hate speech and nobody reacts, mods tend to care less. The moment a single person complains they suddenly jump at it like a blood hound. It seems to be more of a "nuisance" based system rather than actually enforcing the rules.

Of course mods have better things to do than just comb through all threads for offenders, no need to berate them for that. But it does make the harsh punishment for far milder offenses (if any at all) seem disproportionate and unfair.

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Nothing new under the sun here, honestly. The banhammer's handling has always be, as far as I can remember, swift and remorseless: some accounts survive, some don't. That being said, still being able to post after a whopping total of almost 4400 comments on barely a year and half is a sign mods here aren't that unrelenting - not as much as we sometimes like to portray them, at least.

The shadow of the banhammer is never far, however, so post carefully and avoid subversive comments and neverending debates about your favorite yuri. Less risk for people congratulating each other under sweet, angst-less doujin!

Haha, well most of my comments are the short and inoffensive kind, so the 4k is not too crazy. When I was more active and not so appalled by certain individuals here I did get in a lot of longer discussions too, but my greatest offense tends to be going off-topic. Maybe that's why this account still exists.

Ah, the good old echo chamber. What would we do without it? All praise all day keeps all happy, as they say.

What happened ?

Heck if I know honestly. Some mod must be very sensitive. I won't point fingers, because I can't prove who it was. Only assume due to what post it was.

There are other more obvious cases not too long ago too, but like I said, I'm beyond ranting about it now. For the ridiculous stuff that doesn't involve bans you can go back a few pages in this thread too if ya want. There is a good example there.

Given how few people have said they use the IRC in the most recent Dynasy survey, I doubt it. Not that I'd know for sure, tho, given that I don't use the IRC.

Well if I had to choose between Discord and a basic IRC I'd 110% choose Discord too. That's a no-brainer.

Yeah I figured I'd have to go to the Discord for that, but I really don't want to. Though I figure that a lot of mod missile strikes are coordinated from there, so it would at least be interesting to see the process.

I will not comment on anything else, but regarding this, you would not see any process if you went there. Staff discussions are not conducted in the main chat.

Ah sorry, I was more thinking along the lines of "Hey mods, that person bothers me, please ban them". The coordination with members as it were.

Can always try IRC too. I hear it's a real hoppin' place these days.

Yeah, but is it also boppin' though?

BugDevil posted:

Not like you can contact mods directly, so I can't even ask what the heck they are thinking.

You can.

Yeah I figured I'd have to go to the Discord for that, but I really don't want to. Though I figure that a lot of mod missile strikes are coordinated from there, so it would at least be interesting to see the process.

If I actually went there I'd just get kicked anyway, knowing these mods.

You think the mods here are acting like gods. My, are you lucky that you have never developed a taste for Polandball... Several of my favourite series of comics over at the Polandball subreddit got axed because the mods decided that those comics weren't appropriate, despite not breaking any of the rules.
Even years later, I'm still salty about that.

I know power abuse is common among mods everywhere, but usually they at least pretend to do it for the sake of keeping the rules. In the end mods are just fallible and petty humans like all of us. I'm not sure whether I prefer the hellhole that is 4chan and Youtube comments sections over biased authority though.

Why do so many mods around here have a god complex? Banning people for absolutely nothing? This is getting ridiculous. I would have written a rant, but I don't even have the energy to waste on that.

Not like you can contact mods directly, so I can't even ask what the heck they are thinking. These forums are so mismanaged and full of bias. If I wanted to see people abuse their power I'd go to HongKong. sigh

This is a crackship. It doesn't happen or work. I played the VNs and watched the movies. None of them remotely imply this. I hope that clears things up.
I could go deeper in the references(like how this is from Hollow/Ataraxia), but apparently some people still don't know the source material, so it would be spoilers.

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If y'all are just going to spend pages of text in spoiler bars, perhaps move it to a fresh thread specifically for spoilers for this series?

Would probably not have to resort to that if the other available chapters were uploaded. Maybe it would be smarter to treat this thread as the Machikado Mazoku thread for the translated manga rather than just the sad amount of uploaded chapters on this site. This thread will be dead forever otherwise.

Well whatever. If Reiba doesn't wanna continue, then I'll naturally stop too.

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By the way, I heard somewhere that there's a special chapter of Arata Iri's other series (the one with the miko club) in which characters from this series appear or something like that. Is that true or did misread something?

The Arata Iriverse is connected as far as I remember. Those crazy mindnumbing stories are all somehow happening at the same time.

makes tea
sips tea from pure white cup
SPITS TEA EVERYWHERE

They finished it in one day?! This is unbelievable! With Chapter 13 being done since years ago, this means all of Comprehensive Tovarish is done!
Only a complete moron like Sera could cause a chain reaction that actually leads to Kanna figuring out her feelings.
I urge everyone to go find chapter 13 on other sites and read it. The ending is super sweet. There are kisses.

PS: Did we ever figure out why the heck it's called "Comprehensive Tovarish" anyway...?

She has corrected Lilith countless times and seen her being wrong, so it's not the first time by a long shot

There is a big difference between those occasions and the scenario raised by me that you are not taking into account. At those other times, as you say Lillith was wrong, but at that time in volume 3, Lillith was right. What she said was true, she could prove it to Shamiko and beyond that, her statement would make Momo's memories , whose meaning Shamiko don't could understand initially, suddenly made sense to her. All that accumulation of factors would force her to face the truth, no matter how dense she is.

There is no difference. Lilith is merely making a guess which she can't support with anything but her own subjective experiences. Nothing Shamiko has seen, including Momo's memories, is nearly definitive enough to not be easily waved off. This is low level denial that barely even requires effort.

The actual reason Shamiko will go for denial is that she inherently does not want to acknowledge those feelings.

It's not that she doesn't want to acknowledge her crush, she's just not aware of it. I know there were many occasions in the past when Shamiko refused to be honest about how she really felt, but that was because she was too embarrassed to tell the truth, not because she wanted deny to herself that what she felt was the truth (like with the purchase of the phone).

No. Shamiko has very often been close to realizing that she likes Momo or at the very least sees her as a close friend, but actively denied it rapidly and come up with an excuse. This behaviour shows that she most definitely doesn't want to acknowledge how she really sees Momo. It may be embarrassment or any other reason, but Shamiko's active denial of things she should have figured out by now is a clear sign she avoids thinking about it on purpose.

She sees Momo so far above her that she cannot possibly believe she loves her.

At what moment was something said or implied in the manga that indicates that Shamiko sees Momo as someone "far away from her"? If you told me he sees her as someone stronger or someone more capable, Ok. But someone far away in the sense that they can't be seen as equals, I don't think so. If this were the case, Shamiko would not consider Momo her rival and don't challenge her with victory in mind as a real possibility. Shamiko has not shown any discomfort caused by feeling away from Momo. The only problem she has shown regarding her relationship with Momo is not knowing more about Momo and her past.

And since when did Shamiko ever seriously think she could win against Momo, let alone be above her? Momo is better than her at almost everything except cooking. Shamiko always treats Momo as a goal that she wants to reach, but is unable to. Her infatuation is also very clearly build on a lot of admiration, like with an idol. Shamiko often thinks Momo is only around her or stays with her because she has a goal connected to her, like Sakura. There is most definitely a subtle display of Shamiko feeling disconnected from Momo as someone who is just above her and doesn't need her. The reason she so desperately wants to be acknowledged by and impress Momo is clearly to gain her attention from below. "Look, I can do this, please notice me" etc.
The entire deal about making Momo her vassal is her desperate attempt to make Momo closer to her, so that they can be on eye-level. The whole stuff about becoming her boss is just hot air for that goal. All those "benefits" she offers Momo for becoming part of her family is basically proof enough that she doesn't actually ever see herself as the actual master, but rather a subordinate.

I agree with the analysis you did about Shamiko almost completely, but stating "So inevitably Shamiko does not believe she will receive affection unless it is spelled out to her" seems like an exaggeration to me. She never has expressed some belief that she is someone unworthy of receiving affection or that people need a reason to love her.

This is not something the character needs to express, as it's rooted deep in the subconscious and is mostly displayed in actions. Ever notice how often Shamiko falls into a state of self-derisiveness and giving in to her weakness? How she berates herself or acts like she will be beat up without retaliation? When something good happens to her, she always is suspicious of it etc. Her deep need to be useful is just another facette of that insecurity.

First. Shamiko gets angry when Momo is kind to her because she thinks Momo is underestimated her. People with a complex of inferiodity (and I say this by experience) have a very delicate ego.

This entire paragraph just straight up supports my side of the argument.

None of those Shamiko behaviors are driven by any belief that she cannot be loved.

Inherently Shamiko shies away from priase and affection from anyone except her immediate family. Not just Momo. She doesn't honestly believe that she is actually any good when people tell her she is. It will be no different with love.

It won't be Anri.

I wouldn't discard it so fast. Jokes aside, I will not say that she will definitely be the one to do something, I will not even say that there is evidence to suggest it, but it does not seem impossible to me. Thanks to her Momo and Shamiko were able to meet formally. She also is aware of their feelings, and it was thanks to her that both had a date in an elegant restaurant in the most recent chapters. (I'm not treating this as a evidence, I just mention it to point out that, in some way, Anri has already become involved in the progress of Shamiko and Momo's relationship, and that she could do it again in the future)

Anri, while perceptive and pushy, cannot substitute for someone involved. Even if she told Shamiko about Momo's feelings or tried to poke Shamiko until she thinks about her own, it would simply not have much effect. I refer back to what I said before. The only surefire way to start to domino chain is for Momo to confess. Everything becomes less potent the farther away you go from that definitive trigger. A third party telling her, or even just nudging her will not work. It has to be a far more drastic method.

I mentioned it because it was connected to the topic... Thought that was fairly obvious.

Honestly... I don't see the connection.
I do not understand how that relates to the possible effects it would have on the relationship of Shamiko and Momo that Momo became the vassal of Shamiko.

Simply put (as I already did in the original comment if you would deign to actually read it completely), if Momo became Shamiko's vassel right now, Shamiko would lose her entire basis for denial. The "rivals & "enemies" aspect of their relationship would completely fade away at a moment's notice.
Then what? This was her number one way of coping with her feelings of denial. Does this not mean Shamiko will be forced to think about her feelings more? Or will she simply flee into the "mistress and vassal" excuse next?
The idea that Shamiko has to realize her feelings before Momo becomes her vassal is important to me, because it will mean that they face their feelings on eye-level. Shamiko herself must shed her "enemies" shield. Realize that she doesn't just want Momo because she would be a great vassal, but because she wants Momo herself to be with her. If Momo became her vassal before that point, it might even be detrimental to the possibility of them confessing to each other.

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"If Lilith had said it there Shamiko would have plausible deniability ("She just misinterpreted" "Ancestor is just trying to cheer me up" etc.)."
I never deny that it was a possibility. "This event COULD trigger a chain reaction that would end with Shamiko realizing her crush" (maybe I should have use "might" instead of "could" to make it more clear?). However, that Shamiko could have doubted of Lillith does not change the fact that she could also have believed in her (remember how much she admires and respects her, to the extent that she always listens and does what Lillth tells her), both scenarios are feasibles. However, as Lillith was never able to tell Shamiko, we can only theorize what would have happened, not assure it. I Mentioned this scene just to give an example of a scenario where Shamiko could have realized about her crush for something done by other character than Momo, in order to prove my point "I am not saying that Momo don't can be the one that causes the triggering event, but it could also be any other character close enought to Shamiko.". And I insist. Anri, I am watching you

You sort of misunderstand Shamiko's mindset here. It has nothing to do with how much she trusts Lilith. She has corrected Lilith countless times and seen her being wrong, so it's not the first time by a long shot.
The actual reason Shamiko will go for denial is that she inherently does not want to acknowledge those feelings. She sees Momo so far above her that she cannot possibly believe she loves her. You may have noticed that every time someone compliments Shamiko she is utterly shocked and doesn't know how to deal with it. Shamiko has lived at home and been sick for most of her life. She is socially inept and seems to have a slight inferiority complex due to her past. All her boasting and bragging definitely is just hot air and she knows it. Whenever Momo is actually nice to her she suspects something or is disturbed by it.
So inevitably Shamiko does not believe she will receive affection unless it is spelled out to her. She is pretty dumb after all and makes mistakes all the time (like when she thought Momo was gonna crush Seiko instead of questioning her).
It won't be Anri.

"If it doesn't come from Momo's own mouth there is always a way to twist it around."
Even if it came from Momo's mouth, Shamiko could still give it a crooked twist, you know?, She is a proud tsundere after all. She will always find an excuse or a twist until she has been completly cornered and she don't have more options than to face her own feelings (although I admit that it is easier that she be cornered by something said or done by Momo).

Now you're just making it easier for me. The point is that if Momo was very direct and didn't backtrack after a confession, even Shamiko cannot deny it. At the very least Momo's feelings. Her own are still something she'd have to discover, but unlike everything else, this is an unshakable trigger.

"Honestly I'm not sure whether it would be better if Momo became her dependant first"
Only by curiosity, why did you bring is topic to the table? Something I said before made you think I was mentioning it indirectly? or, You Just wanted to mention it?

I mentioned it because it was connected to the topic... Thought that was fairly obvious.

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^Welp, this is getting awfully long. This is Dynasty and the mods here don't like discussion. Some even go so far as to delete off-topic discussion in spam threads just because they dislike it, so this can't end well. Even though it's a major pain in the butt, let's move this to the MachiMazo thread and put it all in spoilers, because this site is still stuck at chapter 15 for some reason.
https://dynasty-scans.com/forum/topics/15884-the-demon-girl-next-door-discussion?page=2

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^Well she won't die from lung cancer, so it's not gonna be an issue.

^https://mangadex.org/chapter/738704/7
If people can go pretend Lico is fine, then Sion is correct too. (Aside from the fact that a good deal of anime characters are called Sion). I looked up Chinese names and Riko/Rico are actual Chinese names, while Lico is not. It is so blatantly obvious what Ito was going for that this is just sad.

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IT'S BACK!!!? After years of being stuck at chapter 8??!

YEEEEEAH! Let's get those last 3 chapters!

@Reiba1925
If Lilith had said it there Shamiko would have plausible deniability ("She just misinterpreted" "Ancestor is just trying to cheer me up" etc.). If it doesn't come from Momo's own mouth there is always a way to twist it around. Which is why I believe something extreme has to happen (not necessarily dramatic or bad) where Shamiko finds herself cornered because of her overflowing feelings. Something that might force her to give up on her "enemies" excuse for good.
Honestly I'm not sure whether it would be better if Momo became her dependant first, because that would take away the enemies excuse, but at the same time the subordinate thing would get in the way. Shamiko should realize her feelings before they make a bond like that, so that she can actually comprehend its meaning.

@KanadeChan
Shamiko's eyes go up to Momo's shoulder, so I think it's entirely possible for her to reach her lips if she stretches a bit on her tip-toes.

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@Random Wanderer
She is called Sion everywhere. The anime subs, the manga translation and even in the official material, same place where people got Lico from. I just pointed out that it's officially "Lico" with a C not a K. I obviously still won't call her that, because I'm not stupid and can see that it was a mistake on Ito's part. Doesn't matter how it sounds, it's straight up not a name, while Riko and Rico both are. So common sense tells us it was just the usual L/R mix-up. lol

"Doesn't include any males" "It's possible to have proper doujins of crack ships" Your criteria are arbitrary and ridiculous then. You just call proper whatever you prefer. There is no arguing with someone who can't be objective. None of the pairings you mentioned has any real foundation in the manga. Not even Momo x Lilith.

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^The main reason Shamiko can't take initiative is that she is a tsundere who doesn't acknowledge her romantic feelings. As you say, Momo is a passive coward, so Shamiko has to be the initiator by default, but if we get to the point where Shamiko admits her feelings Momo must have done something quite extreme anyway.

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@Random Wanderer
I prefer to only have doujins of legit pairings, thanks. You can't ask for "proper" doujins and then suggest crack. lol Though by how Lilith acts around Momo sometimes I wouldn't even be surprised if someone would draw them together...
Also you call Sion "Shion", but call Riko "Liko"... That's wrong by the fan names and even by the official names. I'm not reprimanding you by the way, I'm just impressed how you managed to find your completely own naming conventions somehow.

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Pocky is just a stick. A stick is used to guide the music where it needs to go.
They are facing the music.

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My favorite part is that Shamiko got so flustered she subconsciously activated Crisis Management form lol

Finish the 22 and then get the additional 24 expansion pack.