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Gabinomicon
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joined Apr 10, 2023

Like father like son. We've seen hints of the dad's influence on the rest of the family, at least the men in the family, in disrespecting and disregarding Hanayo. Glad that guy's dead lol.

Gabinomicon
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joined Apr 10, 2023

I'm very uncomfortable with saying "she doesn't know what's best for her, I know better" about a character whose flaws are the result of trauma and maladaption from having all control of her life taken away. Even if on some objective level you could point out problems, it's important for someone like Io to start making choices for herself, regardless of how well she makes them. You can see her improving and changing more than anyone over the course of the manga so far as she ndulges in expressing freedom outside the prying eyes of her manager, and then begins reflecting on things and growing more comfortable with making choices and more capable of making a judgement, trusting her judgement, and acting on it. I don't think pre-Masa Io would have fought off Hase's rape attempt, sadly.

Gabinomicon
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joined Apr 10, 2023

I would say she is better than the manager in some ways. The manager is mostly only concerned about Io's ability to be professionally useful, while we have been shown Misa thinking of Io's emotional well being at various points. Not exactly a high bar, but the manager/Hase and Io's mom both fail to meet it.

We did get Io directly comparing her to the manager last chapter, so I think the similarities between them are intentional. Misa has been committing crimes since the beginning (eg, thinking Io being drunk and almost passed out is 'her chance' even before the hotel assault). Io likes it partially because she was raised to have a poor sense of boundaries. Essentially we're getting a series about two people who are in a very bad place emotionally and are experiencing closeness in the only way they know how, with it likely to get worse in many ways from here.

A comparison that, notably, was about finding Misa better than Hase. Regardless of anyone's subjective opinions, Io right now definitely sees them as different and sees Misa as far better, and it's her opinion that matters most wrt if a lover is "good for her".
Misa and Io have both crossed major lines with each other, lines that would be understandable if treated as "unforgivable" by the characters. But they've thus far forgiven each other for these crossed lines, due to the attention and care they give to each other that makes it clear they don't want to violate or hurt each other. They make mistakes, they notice the negative response, they apologize and strive to treat the other better. I think that's pretty sweet, personally. :)

Gabinomicon
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joined Apr 10, 2023

That's such a lazy attempt to trigger the libs. "if a woman wears pants she's like a man" is a brand of sexism so old that it died out before it could even be broadcast as an opinion over the radio, let alone seriously argued on the internet lmao. Even your grandfather's grandfather didn't earnestly believe that shit and yet you expect us to believe you're serious instead of trying to troll without putting in a single iota of effort? foh

Gabinomicon
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joined Apr 10, 2023

The thing about Koto's early fashion that sticks out to me is how she changes it. For the first volume, she's dressed constantly in simple dresses that hide her figure, thus making her look a bit younger (this is what I meant by childish). Starting with chapter 5, as Koto and Aya travel to Tokyo together, Koto basically starts dressing like Erika. Long skirts or pants that make her look tall, with tucked in shirts that emphasize her figure.

last edited at Dec 27, 2024 2:42AM

Gabinomicon
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joined Apr 10, 2023

While technically "21 year old Aya" is dressed immaturely when we first see her since she's wearing her middle school uniform lol, that was indeed a typo and I was talking about Koto, who's wearing a childish baggy dress. I really don't think I need to justify saying Erika by contrast is trying hard with her appearance, given she is literally a public figure known for looking good. When Aya found out about Erika's modeling she called her "Erika-sama" lmao.

last edited at Dec 26, 2024 4:15PM

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joined Apr 10, 2023

I feel like Lin Luxi should come out to her classmates at this point as a lesbian puppy play sub who likes being collared and treated rough, then they wouldn’t worry so much about her.

Depending on the culture, it's not a good idea for women to be too open about their sex life. Reputation is very important when it comes to status and career opportunities

Pretty sure you're responding to a joke lol

Gabinomicon
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joined Apr 10, 2023

Aya is unfortunately good at playing her cards close to her chest. We haven't seen any sign yet of either Erika or Koto noticing certain major things like Aya being relieved her grandfather is dead, and seemingly how bad things were when she was 14 to feel relief rather than grief hearing that news. It's possible Aya had a whole Laura Palmer style double life going on back then lol.

As an aside, something else I recently noticed wrt maturity: 21yo Erika is very deliberately trying to be mature, but only where other people can see her. She puts a lot of effort into her fashion and appearance, takes her job seriously, is respected as reliable by her friends, but then we see her apartment and she's put no effort into cleaning her living space, hasn't bothered learning to cook for herself, etc.
Meanwhile 21 year old Koto when we first see her is dressed very immaturely, with clothing that hides the curves of her body, and is very bad at handling any emotional challenge, from freezing up when Aya first appears in front of her to repeatedly no-showing to avoid talking to Aya. But as soon as that fucking weird moment with the script happens, she's suddenly trying her best to be the adult with her fashion and with her treatment of Aya.

last edited at Dec 26, 2024 4:09PM

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joined Apr 10, 2023

God this chapter was so funny. "likes to be bitten and treated like a dog" is such a fucking funny phrase for Tongtong to come up with for that search

Gabinomicon
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joined Apr 10, 2023

That cover sadly suffers a bit on trying to be eye-catching to a presumed audience (not men, I'm talking about people aimlessly browsing in a bookstore). The scene and their expressions would make much more sense facing each other

Gabinomicon
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Also I'm thinking something really mean right now but I'm not gonna say it :) acting Erika coded fr

Me too. It’s hard to hold off on such a fat pitch hanging in the middle of the strike zone, but today is the day of goodwill to all, so I’ll let it go.

Some might even say two pitches in one :3

Gabinomicon
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joined Apr 10, 2023

@genevieve:
Some people really want to insist that translation is a science (while substituting the scientific method with "what I say goes") when it's an art lol. Interpreting is always necessary and if you want to be the person doing the interpretation, do the translation yourself. Call it a perk of the person who actually does the thing for us all instead of just being a heckler in the crowd lol.

Also I'm thinking something really mean right now but I'm not gonna say it :) acting Erika coded fr

last edited at Dec 25, 2024 8:28AM

Gabinomicon
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How do you know that they haven't? Hell, he might even be Japanese for you know, a lot of translators are ESL and/or immigrants. You're making the assumption that your interpretation must be correct and anyone who doesn't see it must be ignorant or less knowledgeable than you, even though you can't even explain what your reasoning is. Instead of demanding other people do things you assume they haven't done, you should work on your ability to put into words your reasoning for how you're interpreting those words. Maybe a Japanese person could help you lol

last edited at Dec 25, 2024 1:44AM

Gabinomicon
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Talking about chapter 13, l just found " …琴から連絡来てたんだ " should be Aya's talking.

It's not that obvious to me.

琴 から: Indicates the source, meaning "from Koto"
連絡 (れんらく, renraku): Means "contact" or "communication" (e.g., a message, call, or email).
来てた: The past tense of "来る" (kuru, "to come"), indicating that the contact/message "came" or was received.
んだ : gives a nuance of explanation or realization.

We see the hands of Aya, but it could be Erika talking. It doesn't change the rest of the conversation, or the story, but apart the hands I don't see in the line itself who could be talking. I went with Erika because it seemed Aya was answering on the next panel. In any case, Erika provided the information that Koto called.

It couldn't be.
The whole situation is like:
Erika provided the information that Koto called, which we don't see it directly in the manga.
Aya:…right, Koto had called you.
(…琴から連絡来てたんだ)
Aya:Well, there's no surprised.
(まあ、そうだよね)

I know it wouldn't chang any plot of story, but still. It should be Aya's talking. Unfortunately, l don't know how to explain it to you that it couldn't be Erika. Have you happened to have a Japanese friend to ask?

You're talking to someone who's translated this manga and a ton of others lol. I'm not saying Kirin is perfect or anything but I'd imagine their Japanese is good enough that this "trust me bro I'm right" shit isn't gonna go well. What stuff have you translated?

Gabinomicon
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joined Apr 10, 2023

Then why she still feels guilt after Aya came back. It just doesn't make sense.

Because Erika has shitty self esteem and beats herself up for because every thought she has. From the very beginning of the Erika hate in this thread it's been driven by people reading Erika's negative self hating intrusive thoughts and assuming they're factual statements instead of distortions caused by her bad self esteem and depression. Ffs one of the things Erika feels guilty about, completely inappropriately, is her acting and modeling, because she's gotten that seven year "head start" on her former rival that the competition is over. Even though the alternative would be Erika completely shutting down and doing nothing for seven years, an absurd standard to judge yourself against.

Here's a fun experiment: clear your mind, and reread the manga. Every time you get to Erika thinking to herself, skip it instead of reading. Just look at what other characters think and say about her, and her actions and expressions without paying attention to her thoughts. She still comes across as depressed but otherwise just a good friend, always down to help her friends even if she grumbles a bit while doing it. She looks a lot like Natsumi, Akari's girlfriend in Otherside Picnic.

Gabinomicon
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joined Apr 10, 2023

Very confused about the author saying that IRL their Adams apples and thighs would be a problem. I get the stereotype about the former although it's dumb (everyone has one, guys tend to have bigger ones but it's two curves with a lot of crossover in the middle), but I'm especially confused by the thighs. These are skinny 15 year old nerd boys wearing clothes that mostly cover their thighs so what problem could the author be imagining?

Gabinomicon
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joined Apr 10, 2023

I'm not saying Aya would go to Erika's advice because of her crush on Koto. Aya would go to Erika for advice, as we've seen her do multiple times already, because they're friends.

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joined Apr 10, 2023

Komaki noticing Wakaba's warning up to doing physical things with her and still doubling down on being a shit to her. Is it any wonder Wakaba's stance is that Komaki is pretty but too fucked up right now to want to be with?

I don't think Wakaba's issue is primarily with the treatment--she seems to enjoy the treatment, though is a bit ashamed/in denial. The core issue seems to be her believing Komaki doesn't like her. If she knew Komaki likes her, I assume things would be different. Komaki's behavior makes it hard for Wakaba to understand things but that's intentional on her part and part of the "fun," for us.

Also, Komaki didn't really cross the line Wakaba made, which is why Wakaba asks again for Komaki to actually be rough with her if she indeed hates her so much. She seems to feel Komaki is treating her too nicely for someone who is supposed to be doing despicable things. This "gentle" treatment is also further intensifying Wakaba's feelings for Komaki which continues to make her uncomfortable ("chest aching" and all that). She'd rather be treated in a way that actually is terrible, so she'd not have these growing feelings.

Wakaba physically enjoys the treatment, while at the same time considering that treatment as proof that Komaki doesn't actually love her. That's why she keeps talking about what Komaki really loves. Right now they've got a somewhat functional sexual relationship but not a romantic one, in Wakaba's eyes entirely due to Komaki's feelings. She seems to harbor a hope that if she can beat Komaki at something she'll chill and stop being so weird and then maybe romance can happen.

Gabinomicon
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Aya is her financially dependent and underage girlfriend living with her. Making a request like that is pretty creepy at least, which is why Aya left.

I can see Aya gets angry cause she doesn't feel like being treated equal. But considering she disappeared out of the blue seven years ago. Koto's fear and request are not unreasonable.

There is no evidence so far that Erika knowingly caused Aya to disappear. Even if she wrote down a Tanabata wish to that effect, it would reasonably have been emotional venting, not something she would expect to happen. Even if Erika turns out to have caused Aya's disappearance somehow, it is unlikely she is morally responsible for it.

Yeah. So what? Erika still suck as a friend. How many people in real life would go fight their friend for daring to accept their crush's confession?

It's hilarious that people think Erika did something horrible that night at the festival when she's the one who brought it up, with a tone suggestion she feels awkward or embarrassed, not guilty or ashamed.

She's obviously more curious about Aya's disappearance at that moment. And the reason she's not feeling guilty or ashamed is because the conversation they had on Tanabata festival was not the one (unpleasant confrontation) which result in Aya's disappearance.

If anyone has ever paid their attention, they would notice the day of Tanabata festival is Saturday, the day students don't need to go to school. Then why Aya shows up (chapter 1) with her uniform on and holding her schoolbag? Because she got spirited away a day before the festival. In chapter 17, sb's (aka fucking Erika) flashback, Aya also was wearing uniform while sb's on her PE uniform.

Don't even know the Aya Erika had talked with on Tanabata day is real Aya or the Aya who has time traveled again.

1) we don't know the conversation was Erika yelling at Aya. An equally likely emotional conversation: Aya confessing about her desire to run away/disappear in spite of her relationship with Koto.
2) Japanese schools do have class on Saturday, and especially club activities. They got rid of it around 2000, but then brought it back a decade later. And we know Aya was in a club back then, they all were.

edit: to expand on 1, Koto said Aya promised to take her with if she ever ran away from home, but did Koto ever have or express a desire herself to run away? Was there anything about her life at 14 she disliked, other than the possibility of Aya leaving her behind? If what Koto was saying was "I'll throw away my good life to be a homeless child with you," I can imagine Aya feeling incredibly conflicted and probably guilty over it, and wanting advice. Who would she go to for that advice but Erika? And if Aya said to Erika "That girl you like wants me to take her away and be homeless together but like she only wants it to be with me I think, not because her home life is bad, so I'm really reluctant to do that, what do you think Erika?" how would she respond?

last edited at Dec 23, 2024 12:33PM

Gabinomicon
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This remains just as baffling as ever. Going back to look at the blond girl's thoughts, somehow she's gone from "I'll take anything you give... whoops scared her a bit" to "I can tell this girl I'm in love with loves me back so I'm going to deliberately hurt her to avoid hurting her". What on earth? Like, I'm well familiar with the table stakes of teenagers struggling with comphet brainwashing but this is too much of a leap, especially since they're looking at pictures of a gay couple on a smartphone in the same damn scene. The proof that it's possible for gay women to be happy together is right there staring her in the face and she's still acting like a rich girl in a 1980s Class S story who's never heard of homosexuality except in rumors that equate it with drug abuse.
It's not like it's impossible for a modern Zoomer to still end up going comphet but I think she'd require a couple more steps of internal conflict before arriving at the conclusion given the situation and it's frustrating as hell to skip over all that straight to "Hurt her to avoid hurting her".

last edited at Dec 23, 2024 12:35PM

Gabinomicon
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joined Apr 10, 2023

"It wasn't expensive, I bought it with Mommy's money" is such a funny line for a six year old.

Gabinomicon
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It's hilarious that people think Erika did something horrible that night at the festival when she's the one who brought it up, with a tone suggestion she feels awkward or embarrassed, not guilty or ashamed.
Erika has, very literally, done nothing wrong so far in this manga. We have not seen her do a single harmful act or do or say anything intending a negative outcome for anyone. She's had guilty thoughts over her conflict of interest wrt Koto but those are normal things for a person to think, especially in a love triangle relationship drama. She's very average for the genre in that regard, not one of the antagonists, but also missing a bit too much spice and/or proactivity to be the main character who gets the girl. The fact that in this manga this normally side girl archetype gets be a main and her thinking explored in depth is one of the more interesting things about this manga so far imo.
Aya's got the features of a main character, and that MC archetype being nerfed by putting her at such a big disadvantage that she works to overcome is another really interesting aspect of this manga. :)
Koto's most similar to minor antagonists usually shown as two dimensional and treated as disposable, so her getting taken seriously and expanded on into a more fleshed out believable character is a third interesting feature of this manga lol

last edited at Dec 23, 2024 2:00AM

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joined Apr 10, 2023

Well, RIP I guess. In retrospect Kujou's characterization was probably a mistake, since she didn't get a chance to grow any she just feels like padding to slow down the romance progress while never standing a real chance herself. Good on the author for getting paid for three volumes while only producing enough story and jokes to properly fill a one-shot lol.

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joined Apr 10, 2023

"Dude, how are you outta my window? This is the eighth floor!"

They're in a different location from chapter 3, you can tell because of the bricks.

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joined Apr 10, 2023

Somebody should convince Arai-sensei to move to Bluesky lol