Why characters like Fuuko are always depicted so assholish in these stories, reveling in it all, I am not sure. Makes me think she probably does not truly care about Yuni, but it's not like we have ever gotten a real good look inside her head.

Actually!

Just wait a bit.

Brrrr... The most terrifying comment here
Now I'm ready for the beginning of psycho-sociopathic horror and turning Fuuko into a zombie and completely emotionless hot looking doll without essence of life
Which was everything I did not want from this manga

You are probably right that this was the best outcome for everyone involved though Since the chaotic element was introduced into the "equation" as you say, it was all going to go to shit one way or another anyway. Why characters like Fuuko are always depicted so assholish in these stories, reveling in it all, I am not sure. Makes me think she probably does not truly care about Yuni, but it's not like we have ever gotten a real good look inside her head.

I was observing Fuuko very carefully, exactly looking for those "signals", is she sincere or not to Yuni, and I did not find any. Except a little evil smile, but it's given to Nanase catching her kissing Yuni

People call her a stalker, but I found that she was following Yuni at least 3 or 4 months before she discovered her real ID (it's info about anniversary)
So, I suspected she fell in love with an unknown girl who is venting and having troubles with a girlfriend. And as an opportunist, Fuuko decided to "help". She takes her chance being fed up with falling for straight girls.

People call her a blackmailer. Really? She never used anything against Yuni, and there are a few very compromising pics, including all posts on her venting account

Sexual harassment? Manipulation? In Osaka, when Yuni licked her wounded ear, Fuuko moved from her saying "We can't..."
it was YUNI who initiated sex

Every time when she speaks about Yuni, or to Yuni, she looks adorable and very sincere. I would be very disappointed if author suddenly turns to some unknown dark side of Fuuko. She is the most noble villain in my life and I almost wish that she is real...
Actually, I wish all those girls are real, but Fuuko, she is so special as she is now. I really like such passionate and brave characters with flaws that make them feel very real.

I think, if there's possibility that Fuuko does not truly care about Yuni, it would be very unreal according to the story until now, when story is in a state of finalization
She had so many chances to destroy everything, literally annihilate both Yuni and Nanase 10 000 times
I think she really cares about Yuni, from everything I see until now.

It sounds like you're ignoring Fuuko's bad personality because you don't want it to true. She's clearly written to be a villain, even if she has some sympathetic aspects to her.

The blackmail here is very clear and fits the literal definition. Fuuko snapped a picture of them kissing and used the threat of revealing it to coerce Yuni into being by her side. Later, she even says, "Do you want it to spread? That you're cheating on your girlfriend with me." Blackmail isn't the act of revealing the compromising information. It's the demand of something in exchange for not doing so.

I'm not going to cite an example for each point, but Fuuko's dark and possessive personality isn't exactly a secret. This very chapter, she goes out of her way to destroy the remaining relationship between Yuni and Nanase after Yuni explicitly tells her not to if she cares about her. She certainly didn't respect Yuni enough to follow her wishes.

I'm all for rooting for Fuuko even if I don't like her, but please let's not pretend she is a saint lol.

Hahaaha, I admit I really enjoyed your remarks, especially the last one

About blackmail, if you allow me to ask, what kind of blackmailer is Fuuko, asking from Yuni to pierce her ear?
Is it truly a kind of blackmail you would expect while having so much valuable info which can literally destroy both involved characters, not just their relationship? How much "dark" Fuuko really is, according to all her actions?

About intention to destroy relationship of Nanase and Yuni, didn't she try on the train station to tell Yuni that she saw Nanase? (chapter 16), and Yuni is not listening to her, completely absorbed in her own thoughts and messages on the phone.
Look, there's no gain for Fuuko to destroy that relationship. She would lose Yuni completly. Only thing she can do is to bring everything out, in the open, and see what will happen after. She has no control over decisions and choices of two other involved sides (Yuni and Nanase)

My analyze of characters until now, is, that she has some of Yuni's affection, but Yuni now feels affection for both, for Nanase and for Fuuko, and that's why I call her "poly in development"
I don't think Fuuko and Nanase share similar affections toward each other, so anything is possible

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You are probably right that this was the best outcome for everyone involved though Since the chaotic element was introduced into the "equation" as you say, it was all going to go to shit one way or another anyway. Why characters like Fuuko are always depicted so assholish in these stories, reveling in it all, I am not sure. Makes me think she probably does not truly care about Yuni, but it's not like we have ever gotten a real good look inside her head.

I was observing Fuuko very carefully, exactly looking for those "signals", is she sincere or not to Yuni, and I did not find any. Except a little evil smile, but it's given to Nanase catching her kissing Yuni

People call her a stalker, but I found that she was following Yuni at least 3 or 4 months before she discovered her real ID (it's info about anniversary)
So, I suspected she fell in love with an unknown girl who is venting and having troubles with a girlfriend. And as an opportunist, Fuuko decided to "help". She takes her chance being fed up with falling for straight girls.

People call her a blackmailer. Really? She never used anything against Yuni, and there are a few very compromising pics, including all posts on her venting account

Sexual harassment? Manipulation? In Osaka, when Yuni licked her wounded ear, Fuuko moved from her saying "We can't..."
it was YUNI who initiated sex

Every time when she speaks about Yuni, or to Yuni, she looks adorable and very sincere. I would be very disappointed if author suddenly turns to some unknown dark side of Fuuko. She is the most noble villain in my life and I almost wish that she is real...
Actually, I wish all those girls are real, but Fuuko, she is so special as she is now. I really like such passionate and brave characters with flaws that make them feel very real.

I think, if there's possibility that Fuuko does not truly care about Yuni, it would be very unreal according to the story until now, when story is in a state of finalization
She had so many chances to destroy everything, literally annihilate both Yuni and Nanase 10 000 times
I think she really cares about Yuni, from everything I see until now.

Do you think that is more morally acceptable to break up with a girl and change her with other chick you like, while still having a clear consciousness because "you did not cheat on her"? How you did not cheat if you start to FEEL something to someone else?

I mean, yes? People tend to hold breaking up more morally acceptable than cheating, how is this a revelation to you?

It's because if you are in relationship with someone, you can commit an emotional betrayal to your partner replacing them with other person. It can hurt more than cheating physically.

Emotional betrayal can be more serious than physical attraction to someone else, even cheating.

Breaking up is not always good solution. And can't justify leaving someone for someone else.
Like here in manga, between Yuni and Nanase
There is still enough love between them not to break up.
Breaking up with Nanase and leaving her for someone else would cause more damage to Nanase than this situation when Fuuko announces cheating. Now all of them have a choice.

If Yuni broke up with Nanase, it would not be breaking up WITH her, but breaking NANASE, leaving her without any choice. Nanase would be an outcast, left without any dignity, just thrown out like a filth.
This is between three people and must be solved between 3 of them.
Here, equation is not TWO, but THREE.

And we actually have the most healthy situation for resolving current situation thanks to Yuni keeping Nanase in cuck position. (Ha ha, what an irony!)
I don't even see that Yuni cheated on her emotionally, she just prolonged everything until it's mature enough for final solution.

As for Nanase, she's naive and it's not surprising she ended up in the role of the cuck. She totally overlooked the needs of her girlfriend in favor of "what will people think" and "Club is my life". Yuni is needy and Nanase neglected her. It comes as no surprise she got cheated on. I don't justify the cheating, I just explain it. Yuni has huge affection, or even sexual, needs and is weak. Nanase just can't bring that to the table.

not making excuse yet making excuses that cames at no suprised Yuni cheated…….WTF?? I’m sorry what part of this story is “a suprise” as if it’s the natural order of things for an neglected partner to CHOSE TO CHEAT insted of fixing the issue in A FEW MIN!!! or GIVE a second chance and once that failed you can break up! how in hell ALL OF THIS is Yuni briliant awnser?? DOING this much to HIDE the cheating instead of fixing it? BREAKING up take less time that Yuni making an sorry excuse to be with her misstress

Maybe author does not want them to break up. If she is leading us to polyamory possible ending, start with a cheating is more reasonable than breaking up without any drama. Especially now when it is open

Do you think that is more morally acceptable to break up with a girl and change her with other chick you like, while still having a clear consciousness because "you did not cheat on her"? How you did not cheat if you start to FEEL something to someone else?
Personally I don't see "healthier" or higher moral in it
than in cheating-cheating.

Leaving someone who loves you (and if you still love them) is very complicated or impossible situation. And that's why Yuni did not break up with Nanase, taking Fuuko as her side chick
This current situation shows Yuni as (potential) polyamory person on her journey to discover it. And probably Fuuko too, since she accepted to be the second GF and she brought it all into open.
Sometimes poly discovery starts as a cheating (especially in this situation when girls are in their first relationship and inexperienced, still learning about themselves), but now when it is open, we will see how Nanase will accept it and what is going to happen

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Yuni is such a pushover and a bundle of contradictions. I find her super cute!

She's selfish, deluded, and wants to believe she's making her own decisions, but actually she totally let herself get caught in a storm she has no control of. She wanted it all and she might end up with nothing. I can't bring myself to hate her because she's a blob of weak willed cuteness and I find this endearing.

Fuuko probably likes her because of that too. Fuuko is the villain, but she's a magnificent villain, always in control, she wears her masks beautifully and when she makes a move, she's ruthless. It's only when she was in her family, with the woman she had loved, that her mask cracked.

As for Nanase, she's naive and it's not surprising she ended up in the role of the cuck. She totally overlooked the needs of her girlfriend in favor of "what will people think" and "Club is my life". Yuni is needy and Nanase neglected her. It comes as no surprise she got cheated on. I don't justify the cheating, I just explain it. Yuni has huge affection, or even sexual, needs and is weak. Nanase just can't bring that to the table.

All in all, this train is going full steam ahead toward a crash.

Yes, yes, yes, beautifully written.
I completely agree with you with this positive insight at all of those 3 characters. It's great telling some facts without judgment, defending their youth and inexperience.
I can see in them all what you said, and I feel it too, even my previous focus was mostly on some flaws (in Nanase especially)
I took that position defending Fuuko because people a priori judged her, also judged Yuni, accusing them as trash, without cause.

But, your comment is a reminder that all of them are just three girls, cute in their own way, and we should not forget it and be harsh.
Thanks

^ ^
I don't see this manga as simple cheating or justifying cheating
It's very tasteful NTR with possible development to polyamory OR splitting in two matching couples. Or something else, we will see

Maybe Nanase is not crying because (quoting) "...Fuuko that take pleaire in dangeling her being the misstress in front of Nannase"

Maybe she cries finally connecting the dots and understanding her own failure as a girlfriend.

Why would she have trust issues if she understands that she is responsible as much as Yuni (if not even more responsible than Yuni) for NTR situation in their relationship?

Also, I don't see Fuuko as "garbage", as you insult her
As I said, she is facing a pain from the beginning, but both Nanase and Yuni are trying to escape any kind of pain in their slimy way
(an example: After first kiss, Yuni slapped Fuuko. And Fuuko posted a pic: "My bae just got me a piercing" and she is showing her almost bare chest and her ear. Like, she is showing her pierced heart by getting a slap from the girl she likes, not just her pierced ear)

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Between Nanase and Yuni, I can't decide who is a slimier character
Both of them don't want to face the truth, want to hide everything and put all aside
Nanase does not want to accept what she saw with her own eyes, and about Yuni we know already what we know
Both of them spoiled and sheltered selfish girls, wanting to escape the pain while digging deeper and deeper...

Fuuko, on the other side, shows complete superiority above both of them, bringing all at open
I would not call her manipulative. She is definitely an opportunist

there is the scene in ch. 16 when she is trying to talk to Yuni ("Hey! I saw her") but it's covered by Yuni's thoughts.

It shows that she did not have plans to manipulate, she is just taking her chances in everything she's doing, turning all in her benefits.
And I still claim she is doing it with such nobility, from the beginning.
Wonderful non-fluffy character, she looks like a villain "homewrecker" yet she is the only one who makes choices, RIGHT choices.
And she is the only one who is facing the pain, also from the beginning

I am really enjoying this manga to the point that I don't care about translations until it does not makes sense.
For now current translation does not interfere with my understanding of the story and character developments, so I'm taking anything as it is now. If someone can translate it better and continue upload here I will read it too and be grateful.

last edited at Mar 25, 2023 2:38AM

After reading more comments and after translator's input, I think, probably probably the afterword is lacking something in translation, and it confuses readers (no hard feelings to translator, I'm thankful and I don't have any problems personally. And I can "catch" the feelings of characters somehow)

What could possibly be misinterpreted in afterword is a detail about not starting dating.
But page 11, middle pic shows clearly that they are going out like any other couple, even watching movies together. It was just not verbally addressed. They developed some physical closeness, and it's just like very slow burn.

Another thing, I think "they did not start dating" is a little bit a sarcastic remark from the author (according to mentioned page 11, middle pic). Because author said after it, that Konno is a type who is testing waters and she checks everything before "signing the contract". It means, as in her professional life, she is the same in her emotional life
That's why I said she is not a player, but a little bit playful (a very subtle level of teasing) and she have her reasons for it (I gave 2 reasons in my previous comments).

Woman 42 yo would not spend 6 month connecting with someone on very personal level if she is not seriously interested. It's just very very slow burn. At the end, Konno-san is going to "take care" about Kise-san, and it's obviously an allusion to where they are going and what they will do.

Also, I observed expressions of both characters, and both of them look pretty honest to each other. They are beautiful. And matching couple.

I did not care much about afterword, my observations and comments are based on manga itself. I think intention of the author was not to mention EXPLICITELY some things, just like Konno-san said:

"Did you think I did not notice how you feel?... Enough talk. I want you to show me how you feel through actions"

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Insecure younger woman was oblivious to make a move to next level.
I suppose elder woman did not push her because of age gap (she would look like a "predator" who seduced someone younger than her)

Probably correct setting for those two characters. To me seems very real.
And I think they actually were dating for 6 months, testing waters before a kiss

so they were like dating but not saying it outloud??? if so then the author afterword makes more sense >.> well hope so

Probably not saying it out loud is some professional codex
They were professionally involved, working together on some project, and that's another reason why elder woman hesitated to give a proper encouragement to younger woman

Anyway I think it's fair that younger woman must make the first open move (like she does with a kiss)

last edited at Mar 4, 2023 9:21AM

Insecure younger woman was oblivious to make a move to next level.
I suppose elder woman did not push her because of age gap (she would look like a "predator" who seduced someone younger than her)

Probably correct setting for those two characters. To me seems very real.
And I think they actually were dating for 6 months, testing waters before a kiss

last edited at Mar 4, 2023 5:59AM

First, I apologize for my comparison for one of my earlier comments
- how we are not different from characters in this manga (comparing us readers to Asahina, and other translators (actually translations of manga) to Nanase and Fuuko)

It was nothing personal against anyone, especially translator(s) here, just an example in life, and how discussion here inspired me to comment.

English is not my first language and sometimes I'm clumsy to express myself properly as completely self-thought by reading books.
So, forgive my clumsiness if you can or want. I just need for myself and my own consciousness to make it clear to others that my intentions were not malicious.

Second, about the comment above:

Nanases just asked her to come, the normal thing to do would be to talk about it that she can't go because of financial reasons. She's still a minor, there's nothing humiliating about admitting it.

I don't see it's that simple. Imagine Yuni tells her "Hey, Nanase, I don't have a money and I am the minor to travel alone"
Do you think anyone 16-17 years old will admit it to their peer??? (not just to peer, but to gf who is not showing her respect)
It would be a total humiliation.
And Nanase did not ask her, she just assumed and put her in the spot.
I'm still standing it's inconsiderate and wrong approach (maybe word cruel was not completely right to use, but I certainly can say it's pretty arrogant attitude). I also have an impression, with that attitude Nanase would actually start to despise Yuni
Somehow your arguments are not enough to make me change my POV

You think all the backstabbing and cheating is ok because she's just 17 and doesnt know how to cope with a girlfriend that is neglecting her?

Yes, I already said in some of my previous comments, it's better for NANASE to receive a blow and learn her lesson if she wants to grow as character. And take responsibility for her actions. She initiated relationship and proved herself incompetent to keep it healthy, so, call it karma

last edited at Mar 1, 2023 7:45PM

When only women are involved all toxic things become noble.

I'm not sure why it's happening, but truly, comparing same thing looking through het prism, and looking through lesbian prism, its not the same "aura".

Does anyone have some idea why?

There are two things at play here.

First is the tendency and trend of hetero porn towards raunch and degradation for their own sakes. It's by no means universal, but the mainstream has had something of a race to the bottom, because when you desperately need to stand out from your competitors to be noticed but have no budget, making the sex dirtier and meaner is an easy solution. This then washes back into media in general, and young people's of heterosexuality.

The other is, sadly, misogyny, both externalized and internalized. "If both parties are women, then this toxic relationship can't really be bad, because women can't really hurt anybody." "The madam has a heart of gold, because, after all, she's a woman." "They're both girls, it can't really be rape." It's the same thing as, "He wasn't really raped, his assailant was a woman." Female sexuality, and female violence, are seen as inherently softer, and thus no threat to either men or other women, because women are soft and pure and can't hurt anybody, not in a real way.

(This is all very cisnormative, but of course that's part of the point. To be anything but a man is to be lesser, and to be a woman is the worst thing, so trans women are at once lesser, traitors, and attacking — trying to fool people that they have that special woman purity — and trans men are pretending to an undeserved greatness, while the nonbinary have broken the social compact and are doing both things wrong.)

To be clear, I like this piece, and I think the depiction here of love between a sex worker and her promoter is very sweet. But you'd never see the same story were the pimp male, and that's not primarily because of misandry.

Actually, I was reading something from this author (not here on Dynasty)
And I was surprised how many people commented that author gives some gender-bender vibe (like turning het manga into yuri, but not this one, what I was reading is not published here under the name of the author)
I was surprised

And then I looked up here to see how people reacted to author in this forum, and I was surprised to find my own comment (quoted above)
My comment was written before my aroused curiosity about reactions of people

Something definitely I picked up and my question (paraphrase) "whether changing polarity is changing moral norms?" reflects it, and I am not the only one who picked up something, but my reactions are not so harsh like some from the other site which I saw

And thanks for the answer on my question. Something really changes, but it's very difficult to point exactly what and explain it, I think.
If you turn het couple into GL or BL, it's just a visual trick. And some people won't be tricked, because they have a feeling who is who. Probably the same way how we can understand trans people

I'm not sure what have happened, I was reading some of my comments and clicked something to erase stupid smile and this one above appeared like post
Sorry people
Also, some of those quotes are not mine
I really don't know exactly what is this
Maybe my unrequited love?

last edited at Feb 23, 2023 12:49AM

Finding Jessica Lambert posted:

Finding Jessica Lambert posted:

Some people feel safe to love someone who won't reciprocate their feelings

Except Uta wanted her feelings to be reciprocated, that's why she was agonizing over them.

It's called a wishful thinking

Rotfl. If Uta was ok with just loving Kaoru, because she knew she won't reciprocate her feelings then she wouldn't be suffering living in the same house as her, interacting with her knowing she's married, eventually confessing to her and after being rejected moving out, despite later saying she wants to live together with her, but she can't while her relationship with Kaoru is the way it is. Entire story would literally not happen and Uta would just keep living with Kaoru and Reiichi, completely content with her life.

And, there is one detail, Uta is blushing at the door. Could they possibly be lovers already, at that time?
Ending depends on reader, I think.

No shit. That's exactly the reason everyone is pissed. Because author left it up to readers.

^
Yeah, I understand that, if she only does compensate dating without cheating, it would be OK telling Nanase

But here we have Nanase putting Asahina in the spot, into very embarrassing and humiliating situation
Nanase does not ask about circumstances, she's just assuming that Yuni will be there, cheering on her.
Nanase is cruel, totally insensitive. She will be surrounded with girls from club, spend night with them, and she asks Asahina to come ALONE and wander around
It's completely selfish and inconsiderate.

There's no chance that Yuni can tell her about lacking money
without humiliating herself more than gaining money even by prostitution

That's why this manga is so interesting. All morally questionable things are challenged and justified

Question is why Yuni must compensate ANYTHING if she already has a girlfriend? And why she needs a venting account after all?

I am constantly seeing how she's helplessly trying to reach to Nanase, and Nanase is blocking her over and over.
It's not surprising for me if other ways are opening to Yuni, even morally questionable. Her own gf is blocking access, pushing her away constantly.

I am questioning, is this really a cheating? Because her relationship with Nanase is ZERO, nothing.
If they call themselves a girlfriends, is it enough?

For real sexual assault Yuni should be completely repulsed by any other physical contact with assaulter. I think we will see in future chapters whether there was sexual assault or not. And feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

"real" sexual assault doesn't work like that. The victim can feel powerless, be blackmailed, feel pressured, and a fuck ton of other reason can lead them to just accepting fate. "she should be repulsed by physical contact" so if a girl gets wet while being harassed that means she wants that? Just because she didn't fought back doesn't mean she is okay with it, don't forget that fuuko has been blackmiling Yuni since the very beggining with the venting acount and the fact that they're lesbians. Yuni wouldn't want that to be exposed since her girlfriend is not ready yet.

edited cus I got a name wrong

I am speaking STRICTLY about different aspects in MANGA, and it is my right as the reader to observe everything from my own perspectives, even many, in many ways.
Don't cross my borders, because you did cut my first part of the quote to rearrange my words.
I am not speaking about real life sexual assaults and I won't discuss it here. It's all written in my previous comment which you did cut in half.
Now, "Real sexual assault" when you cut my whole quote is actually:

-If Yuni truly was assaulted by Fuuko she would feel physically repulsed by her
(and I don't feel repulsion between them, and it's my personal feeling)

So, pass me by and find some other place and person to rage

And Fuuko adds sexual assault to her general stalking and manipulation! Luckily I'm here for the mess. Glad to see this series back, looking forward to continuing to feel gross in a perversely enjoyable way.

I don't agree about sexual assault.
Look every panel and pictures she's taken, and how Yuni-chan looks
Every time Fuuko is teasing her how she is secretly enjoying those ntr actions. Fuuko is excellently reading Yuni, her needs, her desires, her true emotions. And she would never hurt her (hurting as cause of serious damages), look better at psychology of both characters
You would not believe how compatible are Fuuko and Yuni in every aspect.

So, soul-mates, really. Lol

I don’t necessarily come to manga looking for good people, so this mess is fine with me.

Well, I suppose we all already know moral norms, I'm not here for preaching what is morally acceptable, this is only my personal opinion observing details in manga

For real sexual assault Yuni should be completely repulsed by any other physical contact with assaulter. I think we will see in future chapters whether there was sexual assault or not. And feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

And Fuuko adds sexual assault to her general stalking and manipulation! Luckily I'm here for the mess. Glad to see this series back, looking forward to continuing to feel gross in a perversely enjoyable way.

I don't agree about sexual assault.
Look every panel and pictures she's taken, and how Yuni-chan looks
Every time Fuuko is teasing her how she is secretly enjoying those ntr actions. Fuuko is excellently reading Yuni, her needs, her desires, her true emotions. And she would never hurt her (hurting as cause of serious damages), look better at psychology of both characters
You would not believe how compatible are Fuuko and Yuni in every aspect.

last edited at Feb 2, 2023 7:15PM

Question why people are rooting for Fuuko is very interesting.

She is confident, knows exactly what she wants. She knows when to push when to pool, and how. She is not distasteful in her actions, nor pretender (like Nanase)
She is very measured, intelligent and mature. And has a patience.

She said multiple times that she LOVES Asahina.
It means all stared by finding her venting account by accident, sharing same interest in girls.
At first she follows it without knowing who is behind. From a detail that she knows about 3rd month anniversary (I think so, there is a panel with exact month but I'm not sure)
At least 3 months backwards she was developing her genuine feelings for an unknown girl.
She had a lot of time to see how previously happy girl becomes unhappy.
And after finding out who the girl is, she decides to step in, already tired from falling in love with straight girls. Because she knows Asahina is attracted to girls, and she takes her chance.

It's true, Asahina is already taken, but from her venting account Fuuko sees that relationship is not healthy. So her motives to interfere are not despicable, I can say almost noble, even if she looks like homewrecker if you look from another perspective about "ruining one established couple"
But what if that couple is already "ruined"? (actually going nowhere related only to each other)
And she is just accelerating them to face reality, interfering and fighting for the girl she loves. (I really expect that her feelings are true, not lies)

More than enough reasons to root for Fuuko.

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Real cheater here is Nanase, not Asahina.
She is not capable to find right balance between her club activities, her friends, AND her girlfriend.
I have no sorry for her because she deserves everything what is happening behind her back.
She is greedy and selfish, wanting more than she's capable to manage. That's why I already said she in not ready for a girlfriend.
And she must take the blow, she initiated it.

This is not about moral norms, it's about natural forces, action-reaction, call it karma, however you want.

How old are those girls? 16, 17, I'm sure
And those girls are all good girls, not scumbags
Judging their immaturity or inexperience is not wise. Cheating can happen. At any age. Intentionally or unintentionally.
But complexity for cheating here is responsibility of ALL sides involved.
Some may see Nanase as a victim and a saint. Really?

Those girls are learning through experience. And yes, bad experience can give a good result when person achieve emotional and mental maturity and stability. And if reader can learn from manga, it is better than from personal experience. For it, heavy topic are the best, but they are not written for people with triggers.
I'm not sure why people with triggers are discussing topics they hate, like polyamory, ntr, cheating, age gap, etc
Why, oh, why????

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Let's say Nanase is pushing her own girlfriend from herself into the hands of Fuuko. She initiated relationship which she can't control.
Fuuko is there to catch Asahina and save the ruined balance.
It's not a goal to start relationship, but to keep the right balance between ALL sides.

Now we have totally disbalanced giving-receiving situation between Nanase-Asahina. Nanase is taking everything, and gives almost nothing.
Every, I mean EVERY try of Asahina to get something from her, fails.
Even fishing for a compliments, not to mention "a date" with bunch of friends and other mistreatment ("go buy it yourself, I'm eating with my FRIEND")
So, it really is a fault of Nanase (an initiator, a leader), who is like a captain of the sailing ship who is not interested in ship at all, even not showing an interest for the crew.
She is taking everything and gives nothing. Such behavior leads to disaster.
It's the cause for Asahina falling apart (she invested her energy and it does not return to her. She is empty, falling, sinking in nothingness)
The only possible scenario is entrance of Fuuko, to catch Asahina and give her "artificial breathing"

We should not judge characters easily, this is the natural development, totally realistic. Toxicity is already present, it's only a question how we can return to anything healthy again, no matter what happened and what happens in the meantime. Our goal is to survive, grow, and exalt when situation is toxic.
And I truly hope author will give us an excellent lesson.

last edited at Jan 31, 2023 8:46PM

I feel bad for Nanase. It's clear she's bad at managing things in her life

Nanase (I'm speaking strictly about character in manga) is still immature and totally not ready for a girlfriend and relationship. Unconsciously she is even humiliating Asahina and it returns to her as NTR boomerang Asahina-Fuuko relation

I think she needs serious slap of reality for personal growth as a character, or she will not move anywhere, nor improve ever.

I approve everything between Asahina and Fuuko.
Even if it hurts Nanase, it will be good for her development. She is sheltered, spoiled and self-centered, and she needs something shocking to wake her up.
I think she is not deeply connected to Asahina to be hurt really badly.
They are somehow mismatch, in my opinion.
Personally I feel deeper connection and understanding between Asahina and Fuuko, as starting point for real relationship between them.
And I simply love that tsundere-yandere dynamic between them!

I'm very curious to see the way how author will shift all the characters and see further development of situation.

last edited at Jan 31, 2023 5:51PM