*sighs* Let's just ignore the troll and hope the thread gets sanitized soon.

I haven't even been trolling, but thanks for misinterpreting my entire message there.

You never met one to know how they operate yet you dislike how they operate. Brilliant.

I know how they operate through other sources, such as this great internet we're on.

And yet you are doing exactly the same thing.

How so? I haven't insulted anyone except for a second in the first post when I mentioned education. I've specifically refrained from attacking any people here.

EDIT: though I will admit to showing a dislike of liberals, but that goes for conservatives as well.

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So....you're just here to shoot off your mouth about trans people and complain that they're not being sufficiently nice to you?

The "I'm just one of the only people willing to call anyone who is out on it" bit did make me laugh though. Thanks for that.

Why is it that everyone is replying within the same few minutes?

Well that they're not being nice to anyone who disagrees with them. As I said before, I am neutral because I've never known a transgender personally and I dislike the way both sides operate. Which also means that they haven't had a chance to mistreat me yet either.

EDIT: And for the one guy who said my stuff was off topic, I haven't read this manga. I've only looked at the comments. I didn't read it because regardless of gender, I don't like to read about people who have dicks, to be blunt. I just wanted to see how many people were getting into it over the same old topic on the discussion thread. So I don't really care whether I'm off topic or not since I never intended to be wholly so in the first place.

In other words, you just wanted to piss people off and shit on the thread. What a nice person.

Ding ding ding! We have a loser. I wanted to remind people that not having the same view as another is not an excuse to be an asshole to them.

So you're neutral because you don't actually care about the facts of the matter. You just want to grandstand about how LGBT people are just as bad as the people trying to strip them of basic human rights because sometimes they get angry about being the subject of constant belittlement and harassment and don't have the patience to deal with your snide nonsense in a patient or polite manner. The fact of the matter is you're wrong. The existence of transgenderism is medical fact and you're being intellectually dishonest in pretending the politeness or lack thereof of the people stating that fact is at all relevant to whether or not they are right.

I wasn't talking about whether it was right or not, but way to take my words out of context. I was talking about how humans should treat other humans well regardless of whether they disagree with one another. Regardless of who's right or who's wrong.

The funny thing is that almost all the people who replied to me basically proved at least one of my points. It happened with the first guy, it happened with the trans who got all bothered despite how I said nothing to or against them specifically, and then the people that got into it later and mentioned me were basically trying to discredit me for a reason that looked like they didn't want to hear it.

And for the record: yes I do have a neutral position. Not because I'm trying to look superior, though. I have a neutral position because I dislike the way both sides operate. The people who deny transgender typically do so for reasons that are scarcely valid, and the people who argue against anti-trans are so insulting that the only reason they get away with it is because nobody feels like they have the right to tell them off for being assholes.

Well, news flash. You can be an asshole whether you're gay, straight, bi, ace, transgender, or anything else. I'm just one of the only people willing to call anyone who is out on it. I don't care whether you say you've been wronged by the people you're insulting. That's not an excuse to stoop to or below their level, frankly.

EDIT: And for the one guy who said my stuff was off topic, I haven't read this manga. I've only looked at the comments. I didn't read it because regardless of gender, I don't like to read about people who have dicks, to be blunt. I just wanted to see how many people were getting into it over the same old topic on the discussion thread. So I don't really care whether I'm off topic or not since I never intended to be wholly so in the first place.

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Those people are vastly outnumbered for a reason though. Fields of science aren't immune to errors or people who are supposed to be experts in their field yet are still flat out wrong. There's more and more evidence as time goes on that those who are against the current methods of handling transgenderism are simply wrong. There's enough currently that there's no reason at all to believe them or even consider what they have to say on the subject. (Unless they have something that hasn't been repeated a thousand times already though they're still unlikely to have anything to say that's going to prove that the current methods of handling it are wrong.)

Actually, the majority of people who argue against anti-trans stuff are not necessarily trans themselves, though some of them naturally are. What they are, however, is liberal, and liberals in general (not all of them) preach about tolerance in addition to being supremely intolerant of those who disagree with them.

I think you might have partly misread what I was saying. Note that I specified online as I have little personal experience discussing transgenderism with people offline outside my own friends and family. (So I can't speak for offline.) I also specified that it was that way but it's changing. In my experience it's really only been the last year or so that people who aren't transgender have really defended transgender people at all in most places.

What they are, however, is liberal, and liberals in general (not all of them) preach about tolerance in addition to being supremely intolerant of those who disagree with them.

I can't really disagree there, a lot of people who identify as liberal definitely are quite intolerant, but that doesn't really seem very relevant to the conversation to me.

There's evidence that goes both ways, it's just that the people who argue against it are discredited simply for not having the popular opinion. Like what you just did, actually - that was a wonderful example to prove my point, so thanks for making it.

I heard your specification, but my statement referred to both online and IRL people I've interacted with. Typically, the people who argue against anti-trans are almost all liberals, whether they're trans themselves or not. Note that due to aligning views, transgenders typically are liberal themselves, which adds to both our points.

Whether liberals are intolerant or not was the entire point of my first post, actually. The guy I replied to was obviously one by the way he was both defending and attacking simultaneously (and therefore showing both his "tolerance" and intolerance very plainly), and when I said "your type of people have to watch out for this", I was referring to liberals. Though I'll admit the implication would have been hard to catch if you weren't looking for it from the start.

But it's late for me (about 3:30 am), and I need sleep. I'd love to continue this discussion as long as it strays away from attacks to person, but the later I stay up, the harder it'll be for me to be functional tomorrow/later today. Peace for now. May this not devolve into a flame war in my absence.

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Transgenderism has nothing to do with biology or anatomy and everything to do with psychology. So those scientists could hold those opinions but they'd be entirely wrong and their training is irrelevant to the subject since transgenderism does not pertain to their field.

While it's becoming more common that it's not the case as people actually get educated on the subject, online at least you're going to find that a majority of people who are arguing against anti-trans stuff (even if those sentiments are out of simple ignorance) are typically transgender people in the first place. So having someone deny what they know to be true, even if they don't mean anything by it, is obviously not going to get a very polite response most of the time. (This is an issue exacerbated by the swarms of legitimate assholes and trolls who like to pop up in conversations like that too, though that bit is at least less of a problem here of all places.)

We preach so much about tolerance of all types of people, yet in doing so, we become remarkably intolerant of people who don't agree with our viewpoint.

I can agree with this bit though it's not really relevant in this case.

Another significant antagonist to both transgenders and gays are religious people, though I didn't mention this due to it not being part of the point I was trying to make. And I know plenty of religious people who are well-versed in psychology due to practicing it themselves, and they would wholeheartedly disagree with you on that. But since I don't reflect their opinions myself, I'll stop that in its tracks for the moment.

Actually, the majority of people who argue against anti-trans stuff are not necessarily trans themselves, though some of them naturally are. What they are, however, is liberal, and liberals in general (not all of them) preach about tolerance in addition to being supremely intolerant of those who disagree with them. Note that I am a centrist because I think both sides are riddled with wrongness and hypocrisy, so I'm prone to saying disrespectful things about both of them because they typically don't seem to understand the concept of how life is not black and white like their thinking is.

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are people really suggesting this be tagged as yaoi? tf? i'm getting pretty heated rn but i'm going to lay off calling anyone in particular out and just say: that line of thinking is a) transmisogynist and b) fucked up. if you don't understand why, educate your damn self, and grow up.

anyway this is really cute and i can wait to see more!

Saying it like that makes it pretty hard for people who don't agree with you to be able to defend themselves without sounding like the bad guy, even though they usually just have different opinions from you. A lot of the people who disagree with the concept of transgender are going to be science majors or people who are already scientists (especially those who focus on human biology/anatomy), which makes them more educated than you appear to be. Note that I base this solely on your grammar in the post, not because of the things you were saying.

We preach so much about tolerance of all types of people, yet in doing so, we become remarkably intolerant of people who don't agree with our viewpoint. Your type of person especially has to watch out for that.

Just because you disagree with someone doesn't give you the right to insult or badmouth them. Just keep that in mind, it'll get you a lot farther than falsely named "universal tolerance" will. No one can be expected to be tolerant of everything in the first place, and respecting where people have personal limits is just common decency.

EDIT: Since I just know that people are going to assume I'm one of the people that disagree, I'll mention that I have a neutral position, mainly because I've never personally known any transgenders enough to form an opinion of the concept. But I prefer it when people don't resort to petty insults over something as commonplace as a disagreement, so I felt the need to say something. I would have said the same thing to a person who reacted this way to people who are against gays, even though I love yuri (I mean, what is most of this site hosting?) and can tolerate yaoi if it's written well.

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@Vene

I should have seen this coming. Never mind that KyouYui has like three times the backing that KyouAya does (that wasn't a real figure, I'm just making a point).

That kind of reply is the bane of my existence as an obscure/non-mainstream shipper. Every time I see a good pic of one of my favorite pairings, some commenter has to mess it up by saying that they like a more mainstream pairing more. Come on, who asked you?

Hah, okay. Rant over.

I'm glad I didn't mention anything about chromosomes when I saw that pic. Lesson of the day: don't trust everything you read on the internet, half the time you're either looking at a post by an idiot or a troll.

I also think that the link between mentioning the Y chromosome and the 50% chance that if one's mother is a carrier of the autism gene that one will inherit autism, or the 100% chance that one will inherit the gene if their mother is autistic (providing that it is a simple sexually inherited trait at all, as I do not know for sure) is a bit of a long bow to draw.

Autism is not always genetic (it can be the result of a mutation or miscarriage as well), but it certainly can be. And for the record, autism can be inherited by either parent, not just the mother. I got it from my father, as did both of my half siblings (my sister got high-functioning autism like me, but my brother's was a bit more severe, though still not very inhibiting). Although we were lucky enough to inherit both his autism and his high intelligence, I also know other people who were not so fortunate.

Part of normal human variation, in many cases a fairly neutral thing. Trouble is, we live in a society that has a hard time coping with and accepting such variation.

That refusal to accept is the reason I dislike society as a whole, as well as the reason I dislike meeting new people most of the time. Their general refusal to accept any nonconformity is transcended only by their complete ignorance of anything outside their personal bubble of reality.

Did this used to be 'Missing Y Chromosome'?

Yes, but can we honestly use it in light of this:

That pic makes it sound like having autism is bad, but it isn't always. People with high-functioning autism (Asperger's) are much more likely to develop genius-level intelligence than neurotypical people are. I'm living proof of that, frankly. I was correctly pronouncing huge words like "veterinarian" by age one and a half, I was reading by three, and I tested at above college level in both reading and math by age ten.

I'm not saying having autism is a good thing, but it's certainly not always a bad thing.

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Usually when I see the "lots of sex" tag, there are multiple occasions where they do it. But this time, there was only one occasion, but the entire doujin was just a buildup to the sex, the sex itself, and then the aftereffects that such an event had on the participants. Which is what I typically see in a doujin with the "moderate amounts of sex" tag, just with with more buildup and aftereffects exploring before and after.

Interesting, very interesting indeed... and I'm not that opposed to the pairing, either. It's better than the threesome I usually see with this series... call me old fashioned, but I prefer two-person relationships to polygamy, even if it's yuri.

last edited at Jan 29, 2016 12:13AM

Does anyone know if this has a sequel that's untranslated? Perhaps there is hope yet.

I'm gonna do that dick move I see half the commentators of images that are about obscure pairings do and say this: It's cute but I like other Marisa pairings more. ReiMari and Marisa/Patchouli are both better in my opinion.

There. Now I feel like I've evened the score a little.

Oh my god!! I was rooting for them to do something! Ahhh!! I ship them!! I ship them so hard!!!!

Same here. I now ship them like FedEx.

Is it bad that Kanna/Saikawa has become my new favorite pairing in this series? Because that new ship just outclassed Kobayashi/Tooru by a country mile.

That was... the most WTF YukaReimu doujin I've ever read, even more than the ones with the creepy tag. Nice. Although it really didn't have much YukaReimu in it to begin with... I was kind of disappointed in the lack of actual pairing substance.

I've already suggested this use the guro tag, but that's just me...

Well, I for one don't know what that tag is... do I want to know?

A long time ago, I saw the violence tag on a NicoMaki doujin because Maki's dad slaps her... once.

Then I see the violence tag on this, and on page one, you see someone's ripped out eyeball. A few pages later, Mokou is cut in half and Kaguya is getting burned down to her skeleton...

Is it just me, or is the violence tag somehow more diverse than pretty much every other tag on this site? The degrees of F'd up violence and gore vary way too much compared to pretty much every other tag's variances in their subject matter.