9toenails
Thiaguinho-sama

^ 's reply is basically my reply to you ^^

like i said in my previous posts, they were both at fault. i honestly think they are both equally guilty here, though depends on which side you sympathize with more, you may find the other side to be more at fault.

GraciousLlama

nice find there! the meaning you found earlier is also pretty fitting considering Sumin and Sungji's blooming relationship.

Martian

"it's never too late to make amends".

i like that meaning. it is very fitting for both Sumin and Seju actually. and yeah i hope we get some insight into the meaning of her tattoos from Team Gaji themselves.

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Thiaguinho-sama

thanks a bunch, my friend!

i do agree that from all the sites i've been to so far, Dynasty seems to have the most serious discussions about this manhwa. the WDTFS thread on /u/ is basically a Sumin x Sungji / anti-Seju hate thread, and the most popular Facebook group has a lot of blind Seju fans. this site has the most level-headed individuals of the fandom, at least in the West.

GraciousLlama

that is a plausible thing. though i really want to know if Team Gaji had confirmed anything about her tattoo on their ask.fm. that'd be reliable official info.

Faylicia

there are a lot of Seju hate online, though probably not much on Dynasty. i've never really seen any Sungji hate though. it's mostly Seju and sometimes Sumin hate. doesn't make sense to hate Sungji anyways. she objectively did nothing wrong after all.

Thiaguinho-sama

yep. i think it's best that they leave it like that since like i said, it doesn't really need any further explanation.

please do give me the Rosalina tag on pixiv. i know she's called Rosetta over there but of course i don't know how it's written in Japanese.

also i think it's not the colour but rather the type of flower. however i'm not too good with flower names and meanings so there's not much i can say about her tattoos.

well i don't know if anyone did but the whole situation is pretty self-explanatory if one just sits back and look at it objectively. it's just a result of getting unreasonably blamed for your lover's parents' death + having your relationship on the verge of collapsing with your lover (note: the only person in your life who truly loves you) severely depressed and not allowing + no sex for about 1 month + alcohol + maybe some resentment towards your lover.

Seju is obviously no saint but i swear she gets so much crap from the fandom it's ridiculous. it's already established that she is a significant main character. deal with it people. all the "no more Seju POV", "oh man Seju appears in this chapter so it automatically sucks", "too much Seju this chapter so i won't translate it", etc. is honestly just as cancerous as all the "Seju is an innocent misunderstood angel!!!" crap.

i think all 3 characters are equally important ultimately but it just doesn't seem that way to some as of now because of either bias or that the story and characters aren't fully fleshed out yet.

and yes Thiaguinho-sama, i'd love to know the source.

Team Gaji confirmed on ask.fm that she did indeed sleep with the bartender and it was consensual. i know Seju seems masochistic but i'm sure she's not THAT much of a masochist lol.

Faylicia

i don't find Sungji boring though she is a rather tamed character compared to the two ajjummas. the other two are pretty much drama fuel. i'm sure as the story goes on we will see more of her character though, which i'm glad because i'm interested in all of the characters in this manhwa.

please no more Seju POV -.-

that'd have happened had Team Gaji stuck with their original idea for the story. WDTFS was initially going to be a drama-free manhwa about the relationship between a black-haired woman and her blondie (aka a Korean version of Their Story) but they came up with Seju while designing Sumin, which i'm glad because it makes the manhwa more special.

also why do Sungji/Sumin fans say this a lot? it's kinda annoying ngl. we have 3 main characters here and like it or not, their presence/significance in the story will be mostly equal

Thiaguinho-sama

http://imgur.com/wXTElkJ

unfortunately i don't have the name of the artist, and this is not the source of the original.

do you happen to be a Rosalina fan like me? :D

Thiaguinho-sama

yeah they probably should elaborate further on the cheating thing because it is no doubt one of the most controversial topics in the fandom so far, but i doubt they will. i personally don't really think they need to explain it because i feel that we've been given enough characterization and detail to the story that can explain it. it's just a thing that happened once and there was no emotions involved. Seju must've been upset/sexually frustrated and the alcohol gave her a big push to make that mistake.

and tbh the only reason why i kinda support the OT3 ending is because i want everyone to be happy plus it's hard to deny that it'd be hot as hell . it isn't a very realistic expectation though, i'm aware. it'd be pretty awesome if Team Gaji manage to pull it off convincingly though.

Thiaguinho-sama

some people really go overboard with their Seju hate and refuse to open up their mind to different perspectives. i've seen many call her "slut", "witch", and the like in many discussion pages on the Internet. a lot of yuri fans are very much into the "gold star" lesbian thing and since Seju slept with a man, she's automatically irredeemable in their eyes.

Sumin is far from a perfect angel honestly. this might be a controversial thing to say but honestly a one-night stand is much less twisted of a thing compared to calling your ex in the middle of the night and make them listen to you and another person having sex to take revenge. that is honestly f_cked up....

i do agree that i don't see Team Gaji turning Seju into a baddie. they did say they have a soft spot for her after all. it's probably just her yandere tendencies that makes her seem.... potentially wicked, which is one of the things that make her so interesting to me. i like ambiguous characters that aren't hyped up by the author(s) just because they're ~mysterious~

i'm actually very concerned about Sungji and Sumin's relationship right now. tbh i feel that Sumin has not completely moved on yet and is just trying to run away from her feelings. we see how she reacted when she encountered the red-hair woman in front of Sungji and how she had flashbacks of being with Seju. her crying during sex with Sungji, while cute and might just be because she was happy, could also be indicative of something else, namely her feeling guilty/confused about her feelings regarding Sungji and Seju.

also like you, i feel that Seju won't be reunited with Sumin romantically in the end. if she does, however, it requires extremely good writing and frankly i don't think Team Gaji is capable of pulling something like that off. not saying they're bad writers but i don't think they're THAT good either. well if Sumin will indeed end up with Sungji i just hope she will hide nothing from her and actually become a better person to everyone.

btw the one-night stand was implied to have been done out of spite (sort of? or at least she was aware of what she was doing) because of the security ajjusshi thing. he wouldn't have let the bartender inside if Seju didn't say it was okay to do so. and i assume she lied Sumin about it because of guilt since Sumin is pretty much the only one in her life who truly loves her.

people tend to forget that Sumin didn't start making mistakes after Seju's cheating incident. she already passive-agressively blamed Seju for the death of her parents which is most likely the main thing that irked Seju so much she went out and made that move (the one night stand) out of spite, of course combined with all the other stuff that was going on at that time (Sumin disregarding their relationship, refusal to let anyone in to help her overcome her depression, the ring, etc.)

i'm not saying it was Sumin's fault Seju slept with the bartender but the origin of all this drama is much more complicated than it seems. some Seju fans tend to be a bit too soft of Seju and her mistakes/yandere tendencies while Sumin/Sungji fans are focused purely on the fact that "Seju cheated!!!" without considering everything else and demonize her.

personally i'm not on anyone's side and is still unsure of the endgame pairing that i ship. i feel that Sumin and Seju are both too problematic right now and Sungji just seems too unaware and naive. i do find Seju the most interesting character mostly because she's the big driving force of the plot, despite her lack of presence in the story. Sumin is a complex character that can be very divisive depends on whose POV who agree with more, and Sungji is a very adorable but rather naive young woman that really has little idea what she's getting herself into and imo, rather unfleshed out as a character.

i hope Team Gaji won't make Seju the series's villain and will give Sungji more complexity. also they should develop Sumin in a way that makes her a better person (since this is supposedly a healing story) not just to Sungji because she is still an extremely flawed person at the moment. lastly this is just me but i feel that if they're going to make Sumin x Sungji the endgame couple, i want them to not make Seju fall for Nami. i want her to be a driving force for Seju's development without being the romantic interest because i don't believe Seju needs romantic love to be healed. on the other hand if they plan to make Seju and Sumin reunite or go the OT3 route i hope it will be well-written.

wow that is an extremely long post. excuse me guys;;

queerturtle
http://dynasty-scans.com/forum/topics/6809-what-does-the-fox-say-discussion
!!!!! " Step 5: Put in the necessary information. As you can see, you can put in the bullshit information. Just make sure your age is above 19 if you‘re one of the youngsters. " ???

i did everything and clicked the 19+ switch on but it takes me to that instead of the age verification/fill in info page like the instructions in this thread. you don't have to quote the instructions again for me.

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when i try to verify my age on Lezhin by clicking the 19 on/off switch i get redirected to this http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg608/squishyturtle265/Screen%20Shot%202015-07-17%20at%2020.44.38_zpstmmiokoz.png

please help!

based on how masculine-looking Maya was in that photo and her body physique rn, plus the fact that Hidesuke didn't recognize her at first, i think she is a trans woman.

also i feel like the author is normalizing that, which can be a good thing. the people in this story seem very open-minded so i think it wouldn't be too much of a stretch if they don't really react to that fact.

i really enjoy reading this manga! it's a lot different from the usual yuri mangas :)

and guys Maya wasn't a tomboy or anything like that. she is a trans woman.