Disturbing. I couldn't get past page 12. shivers

RAGE- Wait no, I actually like this pairing. Even if they're both totally OOC here.

Agreed. :3 I prefer KyoYui, but this was hOt.

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There's a difference between something being a comedy and something having humor and charm to it.

Well, isn't this good that you're explaining it now more clearly.

When I say Saburouta's art is not distinctive I mean I forget what it looks like the moment I'm not actually looking at it.

Guess someone needs to register for a free lumosity account now.

It's very technically accomplished but completely unmemorable, at least to me.

Actually, I can relate. The moment I stop reading Citrus, I forget what yuzu looks like. I'm left with floating pig tails. Lol.

Also, I guess I should stress this again - after all, I have been very critical these last couple of pages - I do actually like Citrus. It's cute.

Cool. I bet everyone's happy that you like it. Keep at it.

I don't really like being too negative and critical about Yuri. I'm such a hypocrite when it comes to this stuff.

Aren't we all hypocrites.

@ Secretnamorifan11 : saburouta isn't a bad artist, but after seing the end of "the flower and the star" and of "notes of the garden..." i really cannot help but see some gap,

I never said that you thought of Saburouta as a bad artist. I'm pretty much sure that the manga "The Flower And The Star" IS still Ongoing. Also, I really like "Notes From* The Garden of Lilies". It's one of my favorites along side Kase-san. Anyways, I just want to clarify that I never once said that I liked the story of Citrus (I even stated thatit was nonsensical, lol) I said, I loved the art, and I quote:

Saburouta's art is like a piece of paradise. (PO)

if we spend too much compliments for citrus, what we have to say about those other masterpieces?

I doubt even if we "shower" Citrus w/ compliments, there's 0.000001% that Saburo uta will alter anything about it.

about the art, i found it boring, too clean w/o any distinctive or interesting traits, but this is only my poor opinion.

Yeah, the art is boring because it's so clean (should be like a rough drawing, eh? I'm joking). There's no distinctive feature, eh? So having different hair styles doesn't count as "distinctive"? If there was none, I bet they'd all look the same. I wouldn't mind it if all the characters looked like Mei-chan. Lol. Can you imagine? :)

only one thing: i didn't like the premise too of citrus, because i don't like incest or pseudoincest very much

Then I guess, you should read the tags first before you read it, no?

but the important part is what you say about the lack of humor and charm

Isn't that surprising. There's no "comedy" tag, afterall. If you wan funny yuri, then citrus isn't for you.

The only thing I like about saburouta's work is his art. I'm a sucker for good art.

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Yup, that it. If you want me to say you "won" then I'll say it. No problem with that. If I assumed wrongly, then I assumed wrongly.

Gee, thanks. Do I get like a cookie or something? :3

But, it just seems you can't handle the truth of being disagreed upon either. You just said that people who can't disprove you should "be quiet", so I suppose they can just keep their opinions to themselves, too, eh?

I quote myself for the last time: for the slowpokes.

If you know of any manga similar to Citrus, feel free to recommend it. If not, then "be quiet".

I didn't say that, "if you disagree with anything that I have said, be quiet."
Now read that again.

Oh, but I'm still assuming so feel free to invalidate my opinion, too.

I see your assumption of no significance so, no. I don't feel my "invalidation" to be needed. However, you can please yourself by "invalidating" yourself, if you like. Lol.

EDIT: Call it whatever you want, we were disagreeing, so I would probably call it a dispute. But, yeah, whatever floats your boat.

I don't have a boat. Lol.

EDIT: know what the statement "whatever floats your boat" mean. Just wanted to clarify, because ~some~ people might think I don't know and use it against me. Not that I mind since this is the internet.

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I also didn't say that the person's statement wasn't a criticism. My point is, you gave only one meaning of criticism and I just felt like expanding on it. lol

So you just expanded it, for the sake of expanding? Is it because you can't disprove of what I said that's why you just ramble on things that isn't even significant at the topic on hand? Oh please. Hahaha.

I think the poster wasn't talking about the genre. They were probably referring more on the story or the characters, I don't really know for sure. There isn't one manga that is exactly the same as another. So for them, Citrus could be cliché because they feel like they've already read a story similar to Citrus.

Need I repeat for the slowpokes, if you know of any story similar to Citrus, feel free to recommend it. If not, then be quiet.

Besides, where in my post did I say that you were invalidating their opinion by "saying non-factual things"? Because your posts have clearly been disagreeable to their opinion and that is far from being non-factual.

Thank you, you got it! I thought you were a street lamp who needs someone to spell out everything for like a 3-year-old asking for the question why the sky is blue. You said it yourself, that EVERYTHING I said was factual. Others disagreed of my statement even though it was true. Because fools can't handle the truth. Even though you say it as simply as you can with proof to back up your statement.

Ah, I should've actually used a word to describe it, instead of just an "eh". Sorry. Anyway, I'm not saying to keep your opinions to yourself because you are free to share them. What I am saying is that declaring someone's opinion as invalid is like like telling them that their opinion doesn't matter because they don't agree with yours. It's like you're telling them to keep their opinion to themselves because their opinion is invalid.

Well my "statement" (far from being an opinion) "invalidated" theirs because I can argue that it was invalid. They could've argued back that their point was VALID, if they had the proof to back it up.

It is also your opinion that their statement is invalid and it is also my opinion to never declare someone else's as invalid. So, let's just agree to disagree. lol

That was already concluded. But it seems you had to spell it out for some people including yourself. Lol.

Well, I'm sorry if you felt like I was ridiculing you if I didn't agree with everything you were saying.

Not at all. People on the internet really, they assume they know your feelings. Makes me giggle.

@SecretNamorifan11 - basically, theyre telling you to shut up because their opinion isn't the same as yours. Hahah.

Not at all! But if that's what SecretNamorifan11 thinks about my post, then I'm sorry for that as well.

Again, assuming what I feel. Please, enlighten me more.

So, I guess my point is you are entitled to your opinion just as they are entitled to theirs. No one's opinion should be declared "invalid" just because it doesn't agree with someone else's. Your opinion can be disagreed upon, but at least someone is acknowledging that your opinion IS an opinion. And not something that doesn't deserve any acknowledgement.

How does free will.

But again, this is all an opinion. I'm just sharing my thoughts. I think I'm free to disagree and be disagreed upon. Sorry for escalating this, but I just wanted to clarify. ^^

That it?

Edit: I see that you've declared peace, even though there wasn't a dispute to begin with. At least, not in my side. Lol.

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lol, how do you read the art of this manga? are there words present that we can't see?

I think the person was referring to how they read the MANGA of this art. As in, the manga that has this art. I don't think they were referring to reading the ART of this manga.

Again, art is beautiful, but I have few feelings when /reading the manga of this art/

It's subjective, your opinion. but when you give out your opinion regarding a certain subject matter in a negative way (ex; I don't like Citrus because it's cliché.) , it IS called a criticism.

An opinion can be negative or positive. And a criticism isn't always negative. It can be constructive or presented badly in such a way that it discourages more than encourages.

Definition of criticism: the expression of disapproval (I don't like Citrus) of someone or something based on perceived faults (because it's cliché) or mistakes.

I didn't say an opinion cannot be negative or postive. Nor did I say a criticism is ALWAYS negative. I am also aware that there is constructive criticism and that there are critcisms presented badly. So, what's your point? Lol. But in this case his/her opinion was a negative one, a critcism and he/she said that they didn't like the manga because it was cliché. Saying that they didn't like it because it was cliché is a criticism.

You don't have to invalidate anyone else's opinion just because it doesn't agree with yours

I didn't "invalidate" their opinion by saying non-factual things (The things I said weren't subjective, they are factual) like citrus is not a cliché manga because, how many pseudo-incest, yuri mangas have you seen?

We can debate about our different ideas, but telling someone their statement is invalid is a bit...eh.

Well, I gave reasons as to why their statement was invalid. Are you telling me to keep my opinions to myself, and just agree that it was "valid" when it certainly wasn't?

We don't have to agree, but we don't have to ridicule them for not agreeing with us either. :)

If voicing my opinion is wrong (like what you are insinuating as: telling me to not "invalidate" a person's statement even though there are facts to base my statement on) because I ridicule (?) them by saying observable facts, well, aren't you a hypocrite.

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I dislike rape. But I didn't mind it in this manga. It's like a delicious chocolate cake and the rape part is like dark chocolate or something. It gives it variety. Although, I would've preferred it if the senpai was "innocent".

Again, art is beautiful, but I have few feelings when reading the manga of this art

lol, how do you read the art of this manga? are there words present that we can't see?

It's a matter of feelings, not criticism :3

It's subjective, your opinion. but when you give out your opinion regarding a certain subject matter in a negative way (ex; I don't like Citrus because it's cliché.) , it IS called a criticism.

Actually I find this to be a whole lot better than Citrus. (Which is juste another random cliche manga for me. Neither good nor bad).

Again, with the cliché crap. If you can present me another pseudo incest, yuri manga like Citrus, then you have my agreement about it being cliché. If you don't have any manga "like" Citrus then obviously your statement is invalid. Lol.

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since it seems a lot of people concord on this, i want to say that, instead, i didn't like citrus at all, from the first chapter, and now that i see this oneshot, i can say that i really dislike this artist,
i found these works so cliche (art and writing) than i fear it's my fault i didn't understand the purpouse of the author, and i didn't catch the sarcasm

What the.. The only thing I understood from your statement was that you dislike the author's art (who can dislike the art of saburouta? It's like a piece of paradise. Well you say you do obivously, lol) and writing (I beg to differ that saburo uta's writing style is cliché. I'd say it's more nonsensical. Like, why does every h-scene in citrus happen at random events?)

And about the purpose of the author. What do you mean? The purpose of the author is to present an entertaining manga. And citrus (in behalf of everyone's opinion) is really entertaining. On a lighter note, I also didn't catch the sarcasm. Because there was none. Lol.

mei runs off to momokino and loses her virginity.

It's not concrete yet that Mei really had sex with Momokino. If Mei allowed Momokino to violate her, I'd hate this series. I would be like: "f*ck saburo uta! Mei's a sl*t!."

...

Lady Gaga moment...

I don't know why this comment is funny but I GSed. (Giggled softly)

I like the art, the story was ok. It's SOL afterall.

I don't like it but I like it.

Indeed, dope.

Aaaah. Sweet.

^I second that.

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I just wonder what goes on in yuna's head in the process and what is the purpose of the bullying?

I bet she's just like the wasted fucks (pg. 5 or 6) who bullies Sacchiko, thankfully she's into Yuri, if she wasn't I think Sacchiko would die from physical exhaustion or psychological trauma. They do it to feel like they have authority, power. Like Yuna said, they want to please themselves by resorting to violence.

Well "being in a relationship with Remi" isn't saying much, that girl just wants to sleep around

What I was insinuating was, I hope Remi don't get to have Sacchan's first (with a girl) just because she wants to do her. It's pretty obvious that Ruki likes Sacchan. So, I was hoping that Remi doesn't get the satisfaction of doing Sacchan.

To summarise:
• I hope Ruki saves Sacchan before she gets forked by Remi.

I have a lot of mixed feelings for this one. It's a good pessimistic feeling.

This has lots of complicated things going on for a manga. But it's good. Chapter 3 took so long to come out (not that I mind since it's free) so I had to reread chapters 1 and 2 because I forgot what was going on. It was still confusing the second time round (because there were lots of characters introduced in a single chapter), but I think I understand it a little more.

All I can hope for is that: Ruki won't be so slow to realise her feelings for Sacchan. Or else Remi will snatch her first.

They were both tsunderes and you know what that means....no development ;_;

I beg to differ. There WAS a subtle development there. Well, you know what they say. A negative and a negative makes a positive.

Nothing's fair in love. And war. And this doujin.

What's the purpose of the 'Anime' tag?

Thanks @Troid

last edited at Aug 18, 2013 4:06AM

You just gotta love this manga. It's stupidly awesome.