I think by womanizer she means that she goes all in and seduces a girl and then when the infatuation wears off she just stops caring, maybe.
I mean Kasane has totally friendzoned the ex, for example. I wonder why exactly they broke up though...

From my memory, the issue wasn't that Kasane womanized. She was distant from people, even though she got close to them. She didn't seem to care that much romantically. For example, once they broke up, Kasane immediately adjusted and was fine being friends (check the previous chapter). The friend broke up because she realized they didn't feel the same, though they used the same words. They discussed this "distance issue" in an earlier chapter (8).

Part of the friend's current realization (and what she "tested" in the last chapter) is that Kasane finally seems to care for someone truly and understands her feelings. "Love" really means "love," this time. Before her feelings were superficial, but she meant well and didn't seem to realize it. She was the overly bubbly, touchy girl. She wasn't just dating around or anything. She just never loved her friend (or anyone) in the way she loves Meguru.

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In the first place, Mitsuki was never really interested in, or looking for, a record deal. It's just something that dropped in her lap without warning and people around her hyped up. Especially Aya, who wants to get Mitsuki's music "out there".

Exactly. She never said she wanted to go to this party in the first place. Aya just assumed and made decisions for her. That's what she's angry about. That and Aya lying about her real feelings and intentions. She's definitely going to the prom. A bouquet of roses makes no sense as a gift to a random music get together where she doesn't know anyone.

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As opposed to the one on every street corner in yuri manga. . . .

This feels like the premise for a comedy oneshot.

"But senpai... we can't! Girls can't love girls!"

(protagonist opens window, immediately sees signs for six different lesbian brothels)

More like they'd find an app/webpage or find someone on social media to connect with, like Makino. But that would be a hilarious panel reveal lol

We looked into this before, and there seem to be at least two in Tokyo, with 'lesbian' or 'yuri' right in the names.

The establishment I saw earlier had a whole series of chains across Tokyo. All lesbian only. The number surprised me but didn't at the same time.

SrNevik, I see you're making the risky internet searches so the rest of us don't have to.

Haha. They're actually really public. It's not really risky.

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Never stopping to think, “Wait, does Japan even have dedicated lesbian brothels/escort services? Does anywhere?”

There are similar services in Japan. Unless you mean specifically lesbian, then yeah that I can't say for sure. I do know there are individual workers who only take female clients not that dissimilar to what Mashiro does. I'm sure there are establishments for that purpose too. A quick search found a few but I'm not going too deep into vetting them. Agree with everything else, though I don't think Mashiro's part of the story is that extraordinary.

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Riri best. Riri or bust. Riri -- bust.

Riri saikyou. Riri to kyonyuu. Riri — kyonyuu. :D

(It’s just funny to me that that joke kinda works in Japanese too)

Seriously, though, Riri is definitely the breast option… I mean! Tit’s clear that she is the sweetest girl…. Er, Mei would be a real boob if she didn’t milk that opportunity as much as possible while she juggsles her harem. … Uhh… randombabbling

You seem to have something on your mind but I can't quite put my finger on what...

It's much more likely that nudity and/or showing underwear (we didn't see which, she could have been demonstrating with a gesture) to another woman is simply not a big deal to her due to her experience as a sex worker, especially when she is in a nonsexual context of giving advice to another worker now.

My impression as well, especially given how happy she was to see Makino enter the apartment. I'd add importantly that the Kouhai is not just a random woman.

She's a friend trying to join Mashiro's profession, essentially a coworker asking for work advice from a mentor. That doesn't mean Mashiro would flash any old random woman. Possibly something she was comfortable doing with other friends in the industry in similar casual teaching situations. Just different experiences that they should talk about.

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What Mashiro did was misunderstand what boundaries Makino wanted from her, that's a pretty fucking far cry from Makino saying "you'd fuck anyone without resistance or caring".

To piggyback: Mashiro welcomed Makino happily while casually explaining how she was helping the Kouhai before Makino's outburst, showing she didn’t think there was a problem or a secret to hide. She was explaining herself, like the other commenter wanted.

They didn't have a constructive and clear discussion a few chapters ago and that's been the lingering issue. It opened the door to the miscommunication that's happened.

Now they actually need to fully talk, rather than Makino dominating the conversation and unilaterally ending it like she did last time when Mashiro barely got a word in, despite her own reservations.

A miscommunication and slight difference in outlook is less bad than calling your loving GF "easy," because of her previous work. The implications of that common thought process are more damaging. I'm glad the author is calling that out, using Mashiro's good character to do so like always.

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Aah, finally!
Just re-read LN vol 6+ recently, and am so glad at how well this was adapted.
Noice!

At which volume of the LN this moment occurs? I'm curious at how much I have to catch up if I pick up the LN.

Vol 6 is the visit to the grandparents and Gon, the festival, the confession, and ends with this manga chapter.
According to the author Vol8 is the canon ending. So everything after that is omake.

It's been a while since I've read the lns, but vol08 would be the Canon ending if the author couldn't finish the story for one reason or another right? Since he's been able to keep going with new volumes, these are all Canon too right?

It's the canon ending regardless and everything else is like extra chapters of a long strip comic/manga, etc. All canon still. Expands on stuff or fills in gaps in time, etc.

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The raw ones came out about two weeks ago, right? is it going to be published?

It's already been done. I'm sure it'll be uploaded here in a bit.

Poor Kouhai haha. She's so innocent. That wasn't the best choice of words and carries some hurtful implications. I'm glad Makino recognizes how those words could reflect her trust and assumptions about Mashiro's past work.

Mashiro clearly didn't see helping Kouhai as a big deal, judging by her explanation and casual greeting of Makino. She has her boundaries and isn't a cheater, but they aren't on the same page there and need to talk things through.

I repeat again that they didn't have a good discussion a few chapters ago and that needs to remedied, to prevent future miscommunication. They'll figure it out, like always. They're both good people and madly in love.

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Feels kinda iffy to post spoilers from the very end of the novels even with the black bars, like y'all are talking about stuff that won't hit this manga for like five years probably.

Yeah, that's fair. I'll edit it a bit. Still feel the need to respond to the poster above since their post is misleading but I'll make mine more vague. Good call. If they delete theirs, I'll delete mine once I'm off work later.

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Poor Lilly is clearly completely misreading the situation. :D

Yup, the poor girl still hasn't noticed that Rae is exclusively claireromantic and clairesexual. :-(

Rae explicitly calls herself a lesbian, even if she is in love with Claire they've made a real clear point to say that's not the start and end of her sexuality, that's also why they told the story of her first love before getting isekai'd. Lily does theoretically have a chance, but it would require Rae and Claire breaking up in some definitive way and that's unlikely... probably.

She's really got no chance, breakup or not. I also think the previous poster knows she's lesbian but Rae has been just as clear that she only wants Claire and doesn't even consider anyone else, so the Clairesexual is probably a joke. That's a whole (hilarious but serious) chunk of her personality.

Lily does stand a chance in one chapter near the end of the whole story in LN, when Clarie's existence and all of the memory about her are wiped, though after Rae's memory recovered Lily is again sidelined

That wasn't a chance though, actually the opposite.
That whole thing was more cruel to Lily than anything else in the series. There's never a chance for her at any point. Great moment for Claire and Rae though!

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The Art is so nice, I don’t like reading manhua but this one is good. Just finished raw chapters

How many? Is it complete?

oh jeez, why are you everywhere lmao
not complete yet and it has 43 chapters so far.

Thanks!

The Art is so nice, I don’t like reading manhua but this one is good. Just finished raw chapters

How many? Is it complete?

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I don't like the idea that Mitsuki doesn't need to ask Aya because it's an understanding between them. To some extent that's been the case so far, but it leads to situations like Joe's and Kanna's.

Yeah, I agree. That was what my final paragraph was about here:

There's an argument for taking someone for granted but these two aren't a couple and we don't even know Mitsuki's romantic feelings, so it's all very muddled.

That's part of the issue though. Too much of their relationship is left to assumptions and silent understanding between themselves and to the reader. It's long been time to be more direct between themselves and narratively.

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To be fair, we don't know that the family gathering is a lie. It might be a lie, but it kind of doesn't matter since if she wanted to go to prom Aya would skip it even if it were true.

As for the rest, I think we're coming up against a disagreement here because Mitsuki never asked Aya about her intentions. She didn't ask if Aya wanted to go, just if she was going. Aya said she wasn't going, not that she didn't want to go.

I agree that Aya is fudging the truth here a bit with implications, but I also can't say I'm super into how Mitsuki just assumes Aya will be her date without asking her or expressing herself. She doesn't say, "Too bad about your family gathering, I'd rather have gone to prom with you than this music event", she just keeps it to her self. And then this chapter she just straight up says "You didn't want to go with me?" as if she had asked Aya and was rejected.

Mitsuki is doing the same thing Joe is doing, assuming that things will just go her way without being explicit. Aya is doing the opposite, assuming things will not go her way which makes her not try. Aya has her own problems to deal with, but let's not discount Mitsuki again not expressing herself.

I generally agree with the last paragraph. I would say though that your "best friend" who you do everything with suddenly going to a large event without telling or inviting you would make most people feel some kind of way.

That's also why Mitsuki doesn't need to ask whether Aya would be going with her. It's an understanding between the two of them already, and we know Aya did indeed plan to go with Mitsuki and no one else.

Mitsuki asking if Aya is going to the prom is Mitsuki asking if they're both going. Aya understands that implication. That understanding is why Aya reacts as she does, pretending she can't and never intended to go, so Mitsuki feels no burden. She knows Mitsuki and her are a two-person deal.

There's an argument for taking someone for granted but these two aren't a couple and we don't even know Mitsuki's romantic feelings, so it's all very muddled. That's part of the issue though. Too much of their relationship is left to assumptions and silent understanding between themselves and to the reader. It's long been time to be more direct between themselves and narratively.

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Not sure why people are saying that Aya lied. At the time she told Mitsuki she wasn't going to prom she actually wasn't planning to go. She changed her mind after talking to Kanna.

That's not what happened, though. The relevant chapters are back to back. She finds out about the prom, excitedly says she's going, tries to find Aya, then immediately sees the Kouhai asking about the music event.

Aya then wants to talk about it in the following chapter. Mitsuki says they don't even need to worry about prom because she's not going anyway. She says she has a family Christmas gathering, implying she was never planning to go. We know this is a lie because of the previous chapter. We saw that she did want to to go and was planning to go until the Kouhai issue.

It's not a big deal anyway. She did it to help Aya and didn't want Aya to feel guilty by making it seem like Mitsuki had to change plans--which she did. She deliberately down played the whole thing for Aya's sake, pretending the prom wasn't a big deal. This is why Aya is upset now and will be what they probably talk about soon. The whole lie is the reason this is a contentious point in this chapter.

I think your "Aya"s and "Mitsuki"s are switched.

Are you saying the lie is downplaying that she wanted to go? All I was saying is at the time it came up Aya was genuinely not planning to go. Downplaying that she wanted to go, sure, I guess that's a lie. But whether she would be there or not? That wasn't a lie at the time.

Thanks, I'll update! It felt wrong but I didn't double check. She also lied about having a family gathering. She made it seem like going to the prom was never in the plans because she would always be with her family that day.

That was a lie, as she had been planning to go. Then, she continued to downplay her intentions, etc. Mitsuki will be upset once she finds out Aya was not being truthful about her plans and desire to be at the prom. None of that tension works without understanding that Aya hasn't being upfront and truthful with Mitsuki. There will almost definitely be a scene where Aya finally admits that.

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Not sure why people are saying that Aya lied. At the time she told Mitsuki she wasn't going to prom she actually wasn't planning to go. She changed her mind after talking to Kanna.

That's not what happened, though. The relevant chapters are back to back. She finds out about the prom, excitedly says she's going, tries to find Mistuki, then immediately sees the Kouhai asking about the music event.

Mitsku then wants to talk about it in the following chapter. Aya says they don't even need to worry about prom because she's not going anyway. She says she has a family Christmas gathering, implying she was never planning to go. We know this is a lie because of the previous chapter. We saw that she did want to to go and was planning to go until the Kouhai issue.

It's not a big deal anyway. She did it to help Mitsuki and didn't want Mitsuki to feel guilty by making it seem like Aya had to change plans--which she did. She deliberately down played the whole thing for Mitsuki's sake, pretending the prom wasn't a big deal. This is why Mitsuki is upset now and will be what they probably talk about soon. The lie and the hiding of how she was really feeling, are the reasons for current issue.

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That reaction from Mitsuki kinda sounds to me like she was hoping for, or at least open to, an invitation to prom from Aya. She might even think this means Aya got a different date...

I think we knew that from earlier. Aya was the one to push her to this music event. Mitsuki never got the chance to make a choice before. She even asked Aya about Aya's wanting to go to the prom, but if I remember, Aya lied. I assume Mistuki always wanted to go.

Now, we'll see if Mistuki just says this to Aya (and vice versa) or if we go the other route in which they both say nothing and act moody instead. Considering the story's history, I'm heavily leaning towards option 2, but hoping for an early Christmas surprise.

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Porn sites are full of incest and people blame Japan for being weird. It's just a common trope.

Yeah but porn is porn. The criticism isn't about porn. Lots of crazy shit is done in porn that I wouldn't want in my average fiction. I'm surprised I have to say that porn isn't a good barometer.

They are right about it being a common trope though. Just look at the romance genre as a whole, there's so many stories about incest, both contemporary and ancient.

Oedipus Rex by Sophocles, Pericles by Shakespeare, Ada by Nabokov, to name a few. The list goes on

It's not a frequent trope. We can certainly list many narratives with incest but that's all relative. There are an endless number of stories.

In my experience, incest is more represented in manga by a wide order compared to the average. You can go years without touching the subject otherwise but in manga and LNs, especially yuri, it's difficult to last two weeks. It's often thrown in as a typical trope seemingly without much thought.

There's also the way incest is handled, narratively. Even in your examples, the issue is treated quite differently than how a not insignificant portion of manga treats the issue. Most stories aren't nearly as thoughtful as "My Sisters Best Friend, My Lover," for example.

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Porn sites are full of incest and people blame Japan for being weird. It's just a common trope.

Yeah but porn is porn. The criticism isn't about porn. Lots of crazy shit is done in porn that I wouldn't want in my average fiction. I'm surprised I have to say that porn isn't a good barometer.

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She's being a good teacher, that's what. Pat her on the back. In all seriousness, they'll now do the talking they should have done before. Still, I like seeing Mashiro as a mentor for someone even in this way.

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The author has kept this arc going for quite a while without the tension break of actually learning what the problem is that's causing this negative reaction/tantrum. I have my guesses, presumably something related to all the bother she made for her adoptive parents and feeling very guilty and not wanting them to go through that with another brat? But Xiaoyang really doesn't seem that bad, whatever trouble he causes can't be worse than what Xiaoen is doing with her tantrums and enbyphobia. It's obviously a very irrational position she's in. Definitely appreciate Xingyuan countering her trying to say some vile shit she probably doesn't mean just to hurt Xiaoyang and chase him away.

I think we do know. Xiaoen was the unwanted child, given up and forgotten/erased from her real parents. Xiaoyang was her replacement as the son, but Xiaoyang wasn't who the parents wanted them to be despite the expectations and possibly a façade. Xiaoyang then tries to be who they want to be outside the family, repeatedly going to Xiaoen who is basically traumatized (for lack of better words, even I think trauma is a bit too much). So whenever Xiaoyang is around, she's reminded every time how people outside Peachtown basically don't want her.

Exactly, yeah. They've all got some issues they're working through and doing so realistically, no matter how uncomfortable. They're all good people at the core though. I like how the author maneuvers everyone's inner psychology and doesn't sugarcoat how one might lash out and struggle against their world and those in it. I'd say trauma is the perfect word. She's clearly not OK, and we don't want to rate trauma. Both siblings have suffered in different ways and handled or mishandled it in different ways.

This is also a specifically trying moment. She just received a phone call from the mom who threw her away and that's likely grudging up a lot of trauma. I don't think Xiaoen knows what to do with this responsibility being shoved on her again by the mother. She's retreating into herself. She cares for her sibling though. Xiaoyang is my favorite character in the series but Xiaoen is a clear second for me. She has a very unique position and watching her work through it, I can't help but empathize. She often feels like the personification of the walls constantly closing in on someone. I really like this series.

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Another chapter showing Sorawo's love (and lust--we didn't miss her accepting how weak she'd be seeing Toriko naked). She's slowly understanding and accepting the feelings that are already there, just in her own way. And there was also ghosts and stuff.

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It’s been a storyline since Kanna showed up way back. Not a new plot line. And Kanna has been projecting onto Aya this whole time. Joe and Kanna have been running parallel with Aya and Mitsuki like a cautionary tale of sorts for the MCs. It’s been blatant the whole time.

Yeah it has. I think people are a bit upset because they've been waiting a while for a big moment for our main two and it seemed right around the corner but now there's a pile of previously understated obstacles threatening to extend things again. That's the vibe I'm getting. Seems more like patience is beginning to run thin.

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