This series really is very good.

Sometimes you can't help but burn it all down.

LOL - at the man boobs bit and her expression. 'Those aren't boobs. If were to count those as boobs then literally everything would be boobs!'

Luckily I didn't wake anyone up with laughing so much.

It was a bit sweet too, till she went and spoiled it with her cluelessness.

I was about to make a comment on just how epic that look of incredulous shock and disgust on Chiaki's face was, but it appears you beat me to it. Some of the facial expressions in this series really are golden..

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I am so digging the fake air-headedness omfg. They're both so fucking gay and I am obsessed with them both. I can already feel this manga crawling its way to my top 10

Even just two chapters in this one has really grown on me. It definitely has something special going for it.

So when will they go full gay for the sake of the manga?

You know exactly the new direction their next manga is going to take at the prompting of editor-san asking them to shake things up.

"What if we make our next romance one shot a yuri story?"

Edit: For those complaining about the whole miscommunication thing being cliche there is a reason for said cliche which is this is something we see very commonly in real life relationships, particularly lgbt ones. I can't even count how many times I have suffered through similar miscommunications sometimes for years, and sadly unlike in the mangas where the two parties manage to work it out, in the real world it quite often completely derails what could have been a fun relationship before it even starts.

I remember one particularly painful instance where there was this beautiful girl who was into me and I had no idea until she had moved away and one of my dumb ass friends finally decided to tell me she was bi and she wanted to get together with me. I am still a bit bitter about it like a decade and a half later. Also, for all you people out there with thick headed friends who don't seem to realize somebody is into them, fucking tell them! They will thank you for it. Don't just assume they know what's going on.

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I think that the woman has two reasons for doing this:
1. She knows that the guy she want's him to target is also a "closet" cross dresser, and she thinks that this will make him be more open about that
2. She want's Gin to become more comfortable and confident about cross dressing in the public.

She could definitely go about it in a better way, but at least that could explain her actions.

Yeah, but its a bit like insisting a shy person you know should start kicking puppies to learn how to be more assertive. The end doesn't justify the means.

Writing realistic characters is just good writing. If you can provide a link to something pro LGBT Nakatani has said, then you can have a stronger argument.

How about that time she wrote a Yuri manga? On a more serious note, she has an interview were she mentioned including male characters specifically to emphasize how the feelings between the girls are real.

Beyond that writing a story IS making a statement. Every decision an author makes in their story says something about how they think. Sayaka's subplot to me says that Nakatani thinks love between two girls is just as valid as love between a girl and a boy.

I view that as grounded writing. If the manga feels as real as possible: the impact is greater.

While writing does indicate something about the author, that doesn't change anything about the intent of the work. If she wanted to make a statement then the characters orientations would be more prevalent. Yuu and Touko could have gotten together and then deal with coming out instead of having the main focus be Touko's problems, the sensei having some sort of problem with her job because she has a girlfriend.

If in all her interviews she has never said 'I wrote this to better represent LGBT people' and the manga isn't saying much about LGBT people outside of what directly applies to the characters, then she's not trying to make a statement. In fact, thinking about it, you said 'Every decision an author makes in their story says something about how they think'. It has nothing to do with what she's trying to convey.

It wouldn't even be too hard for Nakatani to have turned this into LGBT commentary. Just having Yuu look up something like: 'is there something wrong with me if I've never fallen in love?' and finding a website about being asexual/aromantic would be enough to make me think it's a statement.

Give it up. You lost this argument pages ago.

Some people on dynasty are really sensitive and overreacting too much.

And some people think the forums are only for uncritically praising everything.

I thought the forums were for kicking people who complain where it hurts most. That's ok, to each their own I suppose. =)

But seriously I do find it a little bit funny that there are apparently like a bunch of sub categories and flavors of under age girls each with their own label.

These are scientific terms, hebephelia, pedophilia, ephebophilia are, originally, pure categorisation of attraction to different range of age/development.

Edit: I still can't believe after months not reading comments I still find things like : "this is morally wroooong". At some point, you'd thought those who don't like it would stop reading those kind of stories and those who keep reading won't care about those comments anyway... But I guess one needs to vent like I'm doing right now, so...

I never said or even implied it was morally wrong. I am after all reading this manga. I just find it amusing that people bother to sub-categorize and label the difference between various stages of under age girls. I had a crazy argument with some moron on another forum who was trying to kink shame lolicons over and over again in an Uzamaid thread while in the thread right next to it he was going on about how sexy the fan service of the middle school kids in Gridman was.

Somehow in his mind it was perfectly ok if the drawing of the underage girl is of a middle schooler rather than an elementary schooler. The other thing that made his endless complaints even more ridiculous was the fact that Uzamaid has no real under age fan service in it, just a creepy pedophile maid character.

Anyway, to make a long story short I have nothing against harmless drawings of underage girls. I just find this whole idea that there is a huge difference between a drawing of a 12 and 14 year old kinda funny.

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Aren't lolis just any under age girl? I guess I'm not up to speed on the finer points of the various flavors of sexualised under aged girls.

Also most of and over age girls, as well as any girl without a specified age and boys with insufficient muscle. As well as anyone who wears black with lace.
The important part of determining if a character is a loli is whether they were drawn in "anime style"

This taxonomic method can be applied to most other fields as well, for instance any device which plays videogames is a Nintendo, and every elongated vehicle is a limousine.

Silly me, I thought "loli" was just a shortened form of "Lolita." The more you know...

But seriously I do find it a little bit funny that there are apparently like a bunch of sub categories and flavors of under age girls each with their own label.

I'm doubtful about the lolicon tag. Is it because Ayano is attracted to other teens?

I was under the impression that "lolis" where somehow (real or fake) pre-teens.

Aren't lolis just any under age girl? I guess I'm not up to speed on the finer points of the various flavors of sexualised under aged girls.

"hey i know you where almost raped but im going to black mail you for no real reason, ok?"

Yeah, everything about this is incredibly messed up.

why does the girl want gin to make the dance guy fall in love with him?
(and why choose that guy in particular?)

Yeah, that's just strait up creepy and an extremely uncool thing to do to somebody on multiple levels. Firstly, even if the MC was a girl, asking her to basically target some poor guy she does not know or care about and manipulate him emotionally into falling in love with her is just a strait up sociopathic thing to do in and of itself.

Secondly, assuming the guy is strait she is asking the MC to not only manipulate the poor guy like some sort of sociopath but to also deceive him into believing that he is a woman as well which is as a general rule of thumb something that will very seriously upset most heterosexual males once they figure it out. Most guys will strait up flip there shit if they find out they have been intentionally led on by some other guy who is pretending to be a girl.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with cross dressing, but blatantly using it as a tool to intentionally manipulate and mess with other people is seriously uncool.

As I read more chapters I'm still reading Shino as very much gay. I still don't think it's really a romance, and honestly the two of them having a romance would probably be pretty unhealthy, they more need to be a family. But Shino still reads as such a baby gay. It's never something that's up to the level of like full-on coded subtext, but it's also a pretty consistent theme with her.

• Her playing that gal-game from her male otaku friend
• Also just how easy she gets along with her male friends and the total lack of any sexual tension with them
• That rather Freudian, "Ahh, I want a wife!" line, which Nozomi corrected to "You mean a husband."
• How she totally seemed like she was checking out the basketball kouhai, and was uncomfortable at her sexiness.
• Her whole, "lol fuck no I don't want to wear a yukata" attitude, where she only gives in because Nozomi is looking all sexy begging her to
• More awkwardness when Nozomi is like, "We should go on a date!!" and then later Shiho's massive awkward embarrassment that she fell asleep with Nozomi holding hands.
• Shino knows about that cute female idol that her brother liked, whereas Nozomi's only heard of her.
• Her feelings of jealousy when Nozomi's with a guy at the festival, which is definitely partly about her brother, but also not 100% because of that.
• And then, like, that whole bathing together thing, come on.

Like Nozomi doesn't come across as very gay to me, except maybe a degree of romantic friendship. Her flirty lines feel much more like just kind of standard flirty Asian female friendship stuff. But Shino has all these moments where like, at the very least if you read her as gay they certainly never do anything to challenge that reading. Way more than trying to find any textual support of her being straight.

Basically I'm happy with them just being family, but I'm definitely hoping that basketball kouhai shows up again.

edit: chapter 31 and hello basketball kouhai!

I've had a very similar read on their situation. Shino appears to at least be bisexual, more likely fully lesbian. She has very consistently shown small signs that she has a more than strictly platonic interest in girls, particularly Nozomi, and has given few if any hints that she has this same sort of interest in guys. Nozomi on the other hand gives off much more complex and mixed signals.

I think Nozomi probably isn't a lesbian but rather has ended up using Shino as an emotional and psuedo romantic stand in for her dead husband. There are certainly signs that she sometimes sees Shino in a demi-romantic light as a result of this, but she does not give off any signals that she is outright sexually attracted to Shino or other women.

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As always, life would be a lot easier if people just when for a poly. I swear to god

Don't make the mistake of trying it in real life. It never ends well.

But then, they aren't halfs.

By manga logic, each time someone has a Japanese parent and a foreign parent, they have blue/clear eyes, or even blond hair.

It's actually impossible, unless the Japanese parent was mixed too.

Or it's a mutation, but then, no need to have a foreign parent.

If both parents are half Japanese then so are their kids.

I kind of miss this old Mira lol

I wonder how Mira went from writing unorthodox fantasy with lesbians to just drawing porn nowadays?

Money. A mangaka has to eat and I'm sure the strait porn sells way better than niche medieval erotic fantasy stories. Still its kinda sad. Her old stuff had a unique voice.

Gorgeous art style, kinda a bit fast paced though. But still, adorable af.

One shots always are. This would have been great as a short series of maybe 3 or 4 chapters.

I'm kinda obsessed with this, It's genius! So funny and yet, I like the content of it.
MY FRIENDS THINKS THAT I READ HENTAI, BUT IT'S ONLY A INNOCENT GIRL THAT LIKES BOOBS.
No one understands my passion... I feel the protagonist on this... It's not perverted, It's beautiful...

This needs a reversal tag

Agree.

This isn't even close to being real hentai. It's just a light comedic ecchi yuri. It's actually quite adorable. The next time your friends insist this is hentai you should send them a link to some crazy hardcore eye bleach hentai to illustrate the difference.

It is ironic that Hana never felt anything even though she’s groped daily but chi is overly sensitive. wonder if they’ll add a bit of drama and she’ll stop groping her for a while.

I think Chiaki had an epiphany about what she had been doing to Hana all this time and it seriously messed with her head.

Wow...and suddenly A LOT of us readers can actually relate to this. . .

I once had a relationship end on the note of, "I can't get thrown out of the house again."

It wasn't nearly so serious of a relationship as your example, but yeah it's an incredibly familiar story.

Sadly, even in this day an age in some of the more "progressive" countries, this remains all too common a story. It's particularly vicious in tight knit families that have very strong conservative traditions which are drilled in and internalized from a very young age.

I have a life long fried who is both very gay and outwardly rabidly homophobic. He is now in his 40s and has lived his entire life alone without a single romantic partner due trying to live up to the roll that was thrust on him as the only male offspring in a Catholic Latino family. Basically he was supposed to be the one to carry on the family name by starting a family of his own and instead he is this terribly bitter man, consumed by a hatred for that part of himself he cannot change. Worse yet he has externalized that hatred and projected it upon other gay people around him. I have actually gotten into some pretty vicious fights with him over this, but I have never actually outed him. I hope someday he finds peace, but I honestly don't ever see that day coming.

I should add that his parents are good people, just very conservative and traditional. This isn't some example of the parents being rabid bigots and drilling that mentality in to their child, but rather a story of just how hard it can be for some to overcome the ideas they internalized as children as to what is normal and acceptable behavior in this world and how damaging it is to someone who just naturally does not fit within that model of what they were taught was "right."

last edited at Nov 21, 2018 9:13PM

As a general rule of thumb those who have suffered greatly either become kind or cruel as a result of the experience. There isn't much in between. Nobody gets to walk away without scars, but perhaps we get to choose how we carry them.

last edited at Nov 21, 2018 12:22PM

You're either born a top or a bottom.
I'm sorry Iori

As a switch.... I'm slightly offended.

(Sometimes it's fun to get it, sometimes it's fun to give it, after all.)

Yes, switching is best.

Switchs unite. \o/

Yes

Amen (◕ᴗ◕)

To answer somebody's earlier question, you are considered a minor until age 20 in Japan.

Also, I'm all for some more Twin Tails x Ashtray Senpai.

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Someone said a while ago that this series feels like it has "connection issues", since it feels like it's dropping frames (or rather, panels) and I have to agree, especially in the later chapters. The conversations have an awkward flow because of this. The style does work for some of the jokes, but the chapters often power through conversations so fast that even the moments that are probably meant to be taken a little more seriously have no time to breathe. I get that this is an indie pixiv comic but I feel like the author doesn't always know how to work with the short format.

Short format chapters like these are pretty much terrible for anything but gag comedy series. It's very hard to cram dramatic story arcs into such limited space.

last edited at Nov 19, 2018 10:15PM

Twin Tails doesn't even need an ashtray to throw a savage beat down. She can do it old school Bruce Lee style.
"Be like water."

last edited at Nov 19, 2018 7:22PM