Enk

Those indifferent ungrateful people who would jump for every new fluffy thing are truly something! they would never understand the meaning of this story.. and for them to freak out, is just an expected unshocking result.
I am not shaming anyone for their beloved choices.. but a specific way of thinking and the justification sickens me !

I made it clear that I don't mean any one's preference of any ending.. but the consumption mentality is creeping into people's relationships.. even for those whom I know in real life, disposing everything because there comes a new one that doesn't require an effort to fix.
in that mentality, one can't understand what is it for anyone to fight or to hold on into something!

one could still prefere Sungji's ending with Sumin, without throwing the shameful consumption mentality at me. But before I know it, one would come to me with it.

Actually, you can admire Sungji "for not having a consumption mentality and her trying to fix it" rather than defending your choice by the excuse that "Sumin should move on, it is toxic ~whine"

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LustGreed

That too!! And they don't count it as cheating..lol they even blamed Seju for it..I find it exhausting to talk with people like that so I just stopped..lol

excuses hahahah.. but in their logic, Sungji was wrong in being mad at the poor manipulated Sumin.
Enk

Yeah, I'm sorry about because of you're above comments I'm going to pass on further discussion on the matter with you. If your theory does end up being correct then congrats.

I don't know which comment you mean exactly.. so which theory because I have a dozen of both XD

LustGreed

What's more that got me weirded out today-- I had a convo with someone who dislikes Seju so much(probably coz of cheating) but likes NTR(Netsuzou Trap)..something my mind can't comprehend..oh gad..xD

hahahha.. double standards!
Sumin cheated too.. or have they forgotten !!

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Enk

Yeah, I just can't see anything bout Sumin and Seju's relationship being positive or worth saving, the year and years of horrible treatment Seju received from Sumin will never disappear. I truely think any "healing" that could take place will be Seju and Sumin letting go of their past (each other) and realizing there are greener pastures.

at least for them (at least), there is. And that's why they can't truly let go of each other.. not even in the point of ch54,
Sumin: what if I want to go back to you again.

look at Sumin's house, why did she locate her bed in that manner and in the living room.. look at her living room arrangement.. and her panoramic windows, compare it to Seju's house in ch72 and ch8 when they first made love. Why doesn't she leave the house and insisted on buying it!
(btw, those chapters show you two different houses of Seju.. that share the exact arrangement.. and Sumin replicated it)
YUP, holding on to the memories and the things that reminds you of a person that you've never stopped loving.(at least for them)

LustGreed

this story has beauty in it.. that this thing worth saving.. and worth keeping. Not just a mere toxic relationship. The healing part as I see it is toward saving their relationship as they slowly reach the roots of their problems that broke them off in the first place.

Totally..and still, most people think that it's impossible for a SuminxSeju and they'd totally freak out if it happens..xD

arghh.. no wonder divorce and consumption rates are skyrocketing with this type of mentality!

your computer is dying: get a new one!
the new iphone is out: let's get another new contract and throw this 6 months old phone.
your partner is busy: let's find a new one who could worship us instead.

we deserve this and that.. but what about working for the beautiful things we have instead.. NOOOO GOD FORBIDS.. they are TOXIC !!!

Those indifferent ungrateful people who would jump for every new fluffy thing are truly something! they would never understand the meaning of this story.. and for them to freak out, is just an expected unshocking result.

I am not shaming anyone for their beloved choices.. but a specific way of thinking and the justification sickens me !

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roamsl

I would give anything for you to win the bet. hehe
I wish i share your confidence (my palms are sweating haha) but what i only have is hope.

hahah, just a good wish for me to win would be more than enough :D
the confidence comes from how the whole arc's incidents are interconnected .. I can't say that the previous 5 chapters added nothing to Sungji's character specifically. They were there for a reason.. and I am getting more confident with every chapter.

I would like to hint this very panel:

Sumin: I can't. Seju-ah.
http://imgur.com/a/Ybt91

I really hope this has double meaning. I also like sia's comment about living together for Africa. Lol

it does.. Seju's father not only gave Sumin a huge amount of inheritance not included in the will, but her transfered some fortune under Seju's name as we knew from ch63.. http://imgur.com/a/F1HEZ, so the plan he made with Saehyun included protecting Seju by not giving her anything in the WILL itself. http://imgur.com/a/0QT1r
also, Sumin mentioned that she still admired him this chapter.
will all these pieces come together into play again? this is what we will know.

So then, Seju's fate: Sumin or Death?
But then i am also not the author, i hope TG finds a way to keep her alive and happy if its neither.

hahah It's sweet, Seju had everything she could ask for, monetary wise, but all she ever wanted is the one she loved and loved her back by all her heart as Team Gaji said once.

LustGreed

And for Sungji, I don't know. I'm supporting Nora that she's a catalyst for SuminxSeju to be back together.

yup, Sungji will. Her character design was made for that purpose and as the story went by.. how Camile and Dawoon whole chapter (ch61) played along those lines.

Lol I can't make myself jump to SuminxSungji even if it's kinda clear that it's heading towards that way. I just feel that they won't last (but who am I to judge)

well, it's realistic enough.. just looking at the dynamics between Sumin and Sungji that was exactly how the lawyer Sangmi explained her relationship with Sumin in ch4, then the cheating happened in their 3rd month together.. Sungji still didn't forgive Sumin as she just said in ch88 (I don't need to forgive her) .. she just want to "protect" Sumin from being hurt again. Is that enough foundation for a long lasting relationship? Nope.

I'm too enthralled with SuminxSeju's relationship from the past(I'm the one who can't move on from their once beautiful romance). Seju alone makes me ecstatic that I can't focus to other characters. Lol

this story has beauty in it.. that this thing worth saving.. and worth keeping. Not just a mere toxic relationship. The healing part as I see it is toward saving their relationship as they slowly reach the roots of their problems that broke them off in the first place.

yoonie0104

your comment is conforming to my view and does not defy it XD

roamsl and yoonie

Btw, since alot of readers think SejuxSumin is impossble,

I remember when roamsl asked if it would be shocking if Sumin and Seju ended up together.. back then, I said: it will be shocking if they don't. hehe taking the bet was the consequence of that comment. I still think they will be destined together.

I would like to hint this very panel:
Sumin: I can't. Seju-ah.
http://imgur.com/a/Ybt91

Seju can't live without Sumin and she said so herself. Then her dying in whatever way might be possible.

this part is actually interesting and there was two references to ch26 that Saehyun and Seju mentioned.. THIS IS why Saehyun scarred Sumin, to keep Seju alive through her guilt to Sumin, and for Sumin to take revenge on her for whatever she wanted. Sumin knows why Saehyun scarred her (as it shows in ch76 and ch59 http://imgur.com/a/yPUnp)

yoonie

As for Sungji, it would be a shame if you dont see her own growth as a character in the story xD. And if she only matters only when she ends up with Sumin then she is a bigger fail than when making sejuxsumin and sungji alone xDD

it's sad.. because I think we went on and on on how Sungji truly has grown from her innocent simplistic idealistic self to how she is now.. world is not black and white when she wants and grey whenever she pleases. (see the Dawoon grey reference :P)
anyways, do you know that Sungji was only exposed to sex for one month (manhwa's time).. hahah, she is a fast learner indeed.

(how do I know?, when she went directly to Sumin's house after their first love making in ch44, it coincided with Saehyun arrival 8th of October as written in ch35.. and now they are in mid November)

yoonie

There's still Sungji though, we still have to wait on what she's going to say. She still has her insecuritie and uncertainties. I think whatever she has to say, that will do it. In this chap, I guess it's going Sungji's way?

Sungji is an interesting hidden card xD. She is the one that the author hides her feelings and thoughts till the end.

this is one of my favorite lines said by you.

**yoonie

I doubt Sumin even realized or made a comparision with what she felt and what Seju felt back then xD. As a character's perspective, Sumin didnt even think about it, only us, the readers xD

I guess we have seen some transformation in Sumin's attentiveness to things around her, ch80 when she mentioned noticing Seju's eating habits.. then in ch86 when she knew that Seju would have nightmares even though no one of us expected her to perceive that.. but she did and saw it coming from her personal experience

No, I dont think that for Seju to think what Sumin felt. In Seju's words, she doesnt feel the lost, so basically in that scene, I believe, Seju havent felt the pain of losing the person she loves to death yet so she thought of the moment Sumin is dead, she cant imagine it. She is not sure, she doesnt know because even right now, she doesnt feel it. So now if she lost Sumin for real, how would she feel?

well, how I got it, in ch19 and ch26 Seju doesn't consider anyone to be her family except Sumin, even when she got sick in ch53 and called her name. In that sense, she could not feel the loss of a family member but could relate to by imagining the feeling of losing Sumin (her family).
It does however show us that back then, 10 years ago, all what Seju cared about was Sumin's condition and she worried so much and couldn't really understand how to comfort Sumin who not only pushed her away, but blamed her for the death of her parents. it's a good perspective nonetheless that Seju at least could understand what family could mean to someone.

yoonie

I know I'm weirdo xD. Since the day I made a bet with Nora, I'm even weirder with all the conflicted comments xDDDDD

then you tell me: oh, I am so not like a Libra XD

mmhm.. why did Sumin go anyways if even Seju didn't ask her for it nor did she expect her to come.. let alone meeting her under the snow if Sumin's words wouldn't hold two meanings to them..

hahah.. that Snow flashback in ch2 was Sumin's anyways

what matters now is that Seju is leaving Sumin's house now.. no risk or whatsoever from her brothers as she holds no value to them any longer.

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God the scene is just so heart warming.. Sumin again is the one holding the umbrella and commenting on how Seju's cloths are all wet.. again Sumin is wearing a blazer and a shirt with a cravat similar to the one she wore in ch2 flashback..

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Foxy

did Sumin just say to Seju: I want this to be our last snow together.

I believe so. I know we discussed this and you made your point on the timeline but I do believe TG didn't mention "MALIBU" in chap.9 for nothing.

I will hold my horses about this statement.. there will be a long way to go, not less than 3 chapters.

and with Saehyun she tells him clearly: I can't live without Sumin.

I believe this is in reference to the past, mentioned in a nonchalant way.

It is weird that Saehyun didn't stop Seju from talking about her life in this way like he did in ch44.

I was mistaken.. Seju was the only one who didn't inherit anything.. I guess she refused but they didn't know she did.

I think this is preconceived already by the chairman to protect Seju and Sumin as defined in chap. 44, 63. Seju may refused but the assets are still in her name.

correct. (It will come into play at one point or another.. Sumin did mention how she admired the president.. that's why, her words about the last snow DO have 2 meanings)

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Enk

If that's accurate, that seems like a pretty clear sign that Sumin is finally moving on from Seju.

oh, is it ?!..
let's see.

This is very very interesting,
in ch88: Sumin looks back at things that Seju's felt ( the unheard apologies.. and the lack of trust especially this http://imgur.com/a/4SUUR)

in ch89: Seju looks back at things Sumin's felt.. the loss of a family member even though that she didn't understand how it feels.. but she related to it in case she would ever lose Sumin.

interesting

on top of my mind about ch89:

1- this is not the first occasion where we hear gossips among Hello Studio's employees about Sumin and Seju friendship "nature". ch6, ch50.

2- Seju explains in here that she doesn't understand the pain and grieve of losing a family member.. now that she was reminded of Sumin's parents death.. all what she ever worried about was always Sumin and not losing her. (this is again means that Sumin is her only true family)

3- what time is Saehyun referring to?.. when Sumin broke up with Seju in ch26 or when the assassin attacked her in ch76

4- There is a house that Seju's half brothers don't know about.. and now after they all inherited what they wanted, I think Seju might leave Sumin's house and stay there (there will be something about that house.. the Manhwa won't be ending next chapter)

5- I guess btw that Seju was the one who rejected to inherit anything.

6- another reference to the snow and ch2 flashback.. I agree with yoonie there is something about the snow between those two.. and how it is somewhat connected to their believe of fate.

7- I have no idea why Sumin said that she wishes this would be the last snow that they would be together in.. or why she refused to go see the place with Seju.. argh. I am out of ideas about this one.

8- interestingly, Sungji didn't knock the apartment door.. but some other door.. it could be the balcony.. but what is she thinking about.. and why did she stay in the balcony in the first place.

Official Translation of ch88

I got what Seju meant by pleading to Sungji to not forgive Sumin:
http://imgur.com/a/fiuON

this is the original translation..
Seju: "I am capable of saying anything, so it's best that you don't listen"

actually she is about to tell Sungji what she really wants to say with a note to Sungji to not listen to her own words.

this part is interesting, because as Sungji says: I am not letting someone I love get hurt anymore.
Seju cut-offed words said: you are the one who..!
http://imgur.com/a/0dYQv

this is still connected to what Seju said to Sungji in ch27 (ch55 flashback) about the high risk and probability of getting hurt by dating Sumin.

I leave this part for your understanding
http://imgur.com/a/4SUUR

is it realistic that no one inherited anything.. how is that even possible when they are chaebols, we are talking about an economical pillar amongst other few.. where did the money go ! XD

It'd be nice if team gaji released a text document of the chairman's will.

I was mistaken.. Seju was the only one who didn't inherit anything.. I guess she refused but they didn't know she did.

is it realistic that no one inherited anything.. how is that even possible when they are chaebols, we are talking about an economical pillar amongst other few.. where did the money go ! XD

I honestly think SuminxSungji is endgame and Seju would live alone at the end now.

Not sure if I'm happy or sad about this :)

let's hear Sungji's side ..

it's interesting.. Seju talks about how she doesn't know how to grieve.

and with Saehyun she tells him clearly: I can't live without Sumin.

arghh.. something weird is going on!!

did Sumin just say to Seju: I want this to be our last snow together.

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Seju talks about the feeling of losing a family.. and seems that her father left her cottage where her mom stayed at once.. if I understood it correctly, I think her brothers inherited nothing

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awww, come here let me hug you and we could be the greatest Sushi ever made in history.. we will beat the Wasabiiiiies XD
sticky sticky rice-o chan XD

LOL why are you creating unnecessary enemies!? Sushi and wasabi are supposed to go together!

Wasabi hates Sushi-san because she keeps falling in Soy sauce.. Wasabi feels jealous XD