The best kind of date.

^amen

^Cute until Nature's Yandere switch gets flipped lol

Sara about to be eaten alive.

^I think it's fun that people have been shipping them even before the new quest, so there's some fanart of them that's a few weeks old. Maybe you've seen this already but in the chance you haven't it's super cute https://twitter.com/kinneticto/status/1437019987097444352?s=20

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Where's the post milkshake sex?

I always appreciate this ship, it's a bit underrated imo.

Love seeing more of bunny and cat.

Time and Chaos getting along cutely I see.

Well that's a spicy chapter.

^^I'm largely out of the loop with the Haato/Haachama lore, but the way you describe it sounds a lot like Norman Bates.

^Haha well it's entirely fair to think that, but no. People I know tend to think my way of thinking is a bit unusual, I suppose I find life in general surreal.

Edit: I'm going to hit the hay, have a wonderful night everyone, it was fun chatting. Time to fly through the cosmos of dreams. As the Nursery Rhyme goes, "Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream, Merrily merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream".

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Ultimately it's kind of interesting to be having this conversation in a way. Since we're all strangers that could be anywhere in the world, we know really nothing about each other. A few thoughts and opinions of each other. Everything we're saying and thinking might not even be conveyed properly, it's difficult to fully get our thoughts across and communicate, how people perceive what we say might be different than how we intend it, and all of this text conversation lacks tone. So I mean this whole conversation we strangers are all having about streamers with character personas on line, is in it's self comically surreal. I just hope nobody feels bad about anything I've said, I have no ill will towards anyone here even if I share different views. I hope everyone is able to enjoy the things like they like. We're just a bunch of people on a strange ball floating in space, all trying to live our lives the best we can haha

@Buscoito You're perfectly fine, and I don't think you were enjoying them in the wrong way. Apologies if I came across as saying that, I didn't mean to sound rude either. I think they ARE to a degree themselves and the character. Who they are on stream and how they blend into their character is a side of them, we're not going to see all the sides of them or know who they are outside of streaming. Which I think is fine personally, and just knowing this has made it so I'm aware that there's these sides to them that we'll never see and it means my immersion is intact. I get what I expect with the streams and the streamer, hopefully this makes sense.

Welp things took a turn here I see. I don't know why people are having such a crisis of faith with this situation. Basically expect Vtubers to have some genuineness to their friendships, their personality in their characters, however you shouldn't expect anything from things like ships. I've been around Takamori since day one and it was super obvious to me that it was something Kiara did for fun but not out of any seriousness.

Also everyone has different sides to them, different masks they wear for different people. Don't expect to truly know everything about anyone, and especially don't expect that from entertainers you don't personally know. Remember that at the end of the day they have a life outside of their streaming and are a person outside of the character they put on for streaming. This can be said for streamers who just use a camera as well.

I've been separating the streamer from the person they are outside of streaming since day one, and so I'm not having any crisis of faith here. I'm not at all understanding how this situation ruins Vtubers for people and the immersion of the character.

Edit 2: I removed "but alas maybe people needed the reality check", because it's not my intent to be rude and I realize the wording is harsher than I meant. So I'll instead say, maybe people needed to realize there's more to the streamer outside of their streaming persona. Their character is just one of many sides of who they are. Hopefully this reflects my thoughts a bit better, and doesn't sound rude.

Edit: I would say I understand some of where Buscoito is coming from. Vtubers are a mix of a person and a character, more than a TV/Movie character and actor most of the time anyhow. I would say I agree with some of what Random is saying but disagree with other aspects, like if you seriously think Vtubers are scripted that's legitimately wild.

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Well it'll be Yuri when we get to the Nyotaimori chapter of course. (Just joking around, I don't know if there actually is one.)

Well that was dark >.>

The whole thing with Talulah is still weird to me for a few reasons, but spoilers and all that. I'll just focus on the cute art instead I think.

^Hmm that's strange, but in fairness I think Dodas is making fun of people that were all for the ship and are now are acting like they never liked it to begin with.

I just woke up and I'm happy to see that the conversation here is levelheaded. I'm surprised the mods haven't said anything about it being off topic, so I guess it's fine?

@Vankomycin Oh I remember that, it was really bizarre.

@Serenata Yeah it's weird how there seems to be people that bounce fandom to fandom and just bring the worst to them every time.

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@DY4Y Ah some dark humor I suppose then, apologies for misunderstanding lol

^Oh yeah I know you didn't say it was the first, sorry if I implied that as it wasn't my intent. More so I'm saying that people have a serious problem with separating fiction and reality in general, and so it's less of a Vtuber thing and more just people bring that into any kind of entertainment unfortunately.

I'm not sure what you mean by "this" place, Dynasty? I've seen a lot of people arguing on here before about things that stem from not separating reality and fiction. Such as people saying an author needs therapy because they wrote a disturbing piece of fiction. So on and so fourth. I see people not separating fiction and reality with pretty much all entertainment I'm involved in.

Anyhow though, it's very late so I'm going to get some sleep. We might want to consider continuing this conversation in a forum post. We're probably getting to the off topic point where the mods are going to bonk us soon heh

@Random, the Vtuber rabbit hole is just the latest thing people get weird with separating reality/fiction. It's unfortunately nothing new. People were doing shit like not only shipping TV/Movie characters together but ALSO the actors playing them, long long before Vtubers became popular. If you ever need a really creepy example of this, look into the Arrow fandom, where people were harassing Stephen Amell's wife because they shipped him with the actress of Felicity from the show. If I remember right people were photoshopping the face of Felicity's actress over the face of Stephen Amell's wife in pictures. Really fucking bizarre things like that.

You also have cases where VAs will be harassed on social media and verbally abused because people dislike their CHARACTER in whatever game, anime, so fourth.

There's MANY, MANY, really shitty cases where people aren't separating reality and fiction properly. People doing this with Vtubers is unfortunately only the newest drop in the ocean.
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Edit: Also I don't know what Thebingolas is on about. Kiara said on Twitter something along the lines of she likes seeing whatever ship art people draw, people are fine to draw any ship art they want with her. The biggest problem I believe is that people in chat (and probably others places) were being extremely annoying about the shipping, and taking it waaay too far. There's fun parts to shipping and fanart is fine, but shipping communities tend to get REALLY shitty really quickly. I remember months ago Ame got understandably pissed because people were flooding her Q & A with questions about her being Gura's "girlfriend". When she wants to be recognized as her own person. Again fanart and shipping can be fine, just don't go shoving it in their faces and being completely obsessed with it.

Edit 2: Another random example of people disturbing the peace with shipping? There was a good amount of people when Promare came to theaters in the states who were pissed off, because Yaoi shippers kept screaming about the Lio and Galo ship the whole time and ruining the experience of the movie. I remember my friend telling me about a Yaoi-fan friend of his, who when entering a book store screamed at the top of her lungs "Where's the gay shit at?!". Regardless of Hetero/Yaoi/Yuri people need to learn to tone it down.

Edit 3: I want to say the random shade Thebingolas threw at Marine was entirely unnecessary. It's fine to not like Marine, but she's a harder worker and talented entertainer.

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^Ripped apart and eaten alive with love ;)

Also no worries, it's a fun one, hope you enjoy it!

She's in a love triangle with herself lol

I feel like something similar has happened with Super Heroes and their secret identities lmao