^Amen

Cute.
pd: Marnie looks great with her hair down.

"friendship"

@Norainhere
Is the team Yell, not the team skull.

Shamiko finally fulfilled her desire to match with Momo. Good for her. I Hope Ito see this picture and when she recover make canon the simple white T-shirt

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God. Everything foooooooolmnn draws is super sweet X3.

Assertive Yuzu? Shy Mei? I also ask for alternate reality tag!... wait a minute... forget it.

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Surprise motherf * * ker!

Wow. I did not expect to see this image here. I requested it before, but it was never accepted... or my request was accected with a delay?

Well, it doesn't matter. What can I say? Everything done by Beize is great and I love the vibes of a loyal knight / servant protecting her queen / master in this picture.
@elevown
I think exactly the same as you about Momo's armor. Although I don't know why you don't like the crown (it's not a hat), I think it's pretty. In addition, every queen needs a crown XD.
Speaking more of Shamiko's outfit. I like how it contrasts with her KK mode by being less revealing, thus adapting more to Shamiko's tastes. And the cape (which is not very noticeable in this image) is a good way (along with the crown) to reaffirm her position as master of the shadows. The crystals (which are not noticeable in this image) that resemble those in the space of her mind where she meets Lillith are also a nice touch.

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Talking about Win and loss at the same time XD.

^ I prefer to end the discussion now if that is the alternative. I apologize if my behavior caused a problem or was inappropriate.

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You sort of misunderstand Shamiko's mindset here. It has nothing to do with how much she trusts Lilith. She has corrected Lilith countless times and seen her being wrong, so it's not the first time by a long shot.
The actual reason Shamiko will go for denial is that she inherently does not want to acknowledge those feelings. She sees Momo so far above her that she cannot possibly believe she loves her. You may have noticed that every time someone compliments Shamiko she is utterly shocked and doesn't know how to deal with it. Shamiko has lived at home and been sick for most of her life. She is socially inept and seems to have a slight inferiority complex due to her past. All her boasting and bragging definitely is just hot air and she knows it. Whenever Momo is actually nice to her she suspects something or is disturbed by it.
So inevitably Shamiko does not believe she will receive affection unless it is spelled out to her. She is pretty dumb after all and makes mistakes all the time (like when she thought Momo was gonna crush Seiko instead of questioning her).

I agree with most of the things you say here, but I disagree in certain parts.

She has corrected Lilith countless times and seen her being wrong, so it's not the first time by a long shot

There is a big difference between those occasions and the scenario raised by me that you are not taking into account. At those other times, as you say Lillith was wrong, but at that time in volume 3, Lillith was right. What she said was true, she could prove it to Shamiko and beyond that, her statement would make Momo's memories , whose meaning Shamiko don't could understand initially, suddenly made sense to her. All that accumulation of factors would force her to face the truth, no matter how dense she is.

The actual reason Shamiko will go for denial is that she inherently does not want to acknowledge those feelings.

It's not that she doesn't want to acknowledge her crush, she's just not aware of it. I know there were many occasions in the past when Shamiko refused to be honest about how she really felt, but that was because she was too embarrassed to tell the truth, not because she wanted deny to herself that what she felt was the truth (like with the purchase of the phone).

She sees Momo so far above her that she cannot possibly believe she loves her.

At what moment was something said or implied in the manga that indicates that Shamiko sees Momo as someone "far away from her"? If you told me he sees her as someone stronger or someone more capable, Ok. But someone far away in the sense that they can't be seen as equals, I don't think so. If this were the case, Shamiko would not consider Momo her rival and don't challenge her with victory in mind as a real possibility. Shamiko has not shown any discomfort caused by feeling away from Momo. The only problem she has shown regarding her relationship with Momo is not knowing more about Momo and her past.

You may have noticed that every time someone compliments Shamiko she is utterly shocked and doesn't know how to deal with it. Shamiko has lived at home and been sick for most of her life. She is socially inept and seems to have a slight inferiority complex due to her past. All her boasting and bragging definitely is just hot air and she knows it. Whenever Momo is actually nice to her she suspects something or is disturbed by it.
So inevitably Shamiko does not believe she will receive affection unless it is spelled out to her. She is pretty dumb after all and makes mistakes all the time (like when she thought Momo was gonna crush Seiko instead of questioning her).

I agree with the analysis you did about Shamiko almost completely, but stating "So inevitably Shamiko does not believe she will receive affection unless it is spelled out to her" seems like an exaggeration to me. She never has expressed some belief that she is someone unworthy of receiving affection or that people need a reason to love her.

"Whenever Momo is actually nice to her she suspects something or is disturbed by it"

First. Shamiko gets angry when Momo is kind to her because she thinks Momo is underestimated her. People with a complex of inferiodity (and I say this by experience) have a very delicate ego. It's like a paradox, they don't think they have a lot of value as person, but they still don't want to recognize that self-imposed "truth." Therefore, they adopt arrogant or proud behavior patterns in an attempt to create an illusion of "being someone big" to help themselves to confront the idea of ​​"being someone small" (I don't know if I am explaining it well). That's why they get angry when they are underestimated, they take it as a confirmation that they have no value and that act destroys their mask of "superiority". That is what happens with Shamiko.

Second. Shamiko doubts when Momo is good to her because she still considers Momo her rival, and thinks Momo sees her as the same way. Also, remember all the times that Momo manipulated her (https://mangadex.org/chapter/698530/7) or made fun of her (https://mangadex.org/chapter/716474/15) at the beginning of MM. Is reasonable that Shamiko doubt Momo's intentions in the present when you look how she behaved in the past, especially when Momo is never opened with Shamiko about her fellings.

None of those Shamiko behaviors are driven by any belief that she cannot be loved.

It won't be Anri.

I wouldn't discard it so fast. Jokes aside, I will not say that she will definitely be the one to do something, I will not even say that there is evidence to suggest it, but it does not seem impossible to me. Thanks to her Momo and Shamiko were able to meet formally. She also is aware of their feelings, and it was thanks to her that both had a date in an elegant restaurant in the most recent chapters. (I'm not treating this as a evidence, I just mention it to point out that, in some way, Anri has already become involved in the progress of Shamiko and Momo's relationship, and that she could do it again in the future)

The point is that if Momo was very direct and didn't backtrack after a confession, even Shamiko cannot deny it. At the very least Momo's feelings. Her own are still something she'd have to discover, but unlike everything else, this is an unshakable trigger.

Wait. when you said something "from Momo's own mouth" did you mean a confession? Sorry. As you didn't specified, I thought you were referring to anything say by Momo in general (even something indirect) but if you were referring to a confession or something as direct as one, I agree with you. In fact I wrote this part "until she has been completly cornered and she don't have more options than to face her own feelings (although I admit that it is easier that she be cornered by something said or done by Momo)." keeping in mind something like that.

I mentioned it because it was connected to the topic... Thought that was fairly obvious.

Honestly... I don't see the connection. We are discussing the possibility that some character other than Momo make Shamiko aware about her feelings, right? (Although, I think we have lost a bit the topic) I do not understand how that relates to the possible effects it would have on the relationship of Shamiko and Momo that Momo became the vassal of Shamiko. (I have my opinions about it, but it is a talk I don't want to have). And beyond that... I don't understand the purpose of mentioning it. It does not deny any of my statements, it does not corroborate any statement of yours that has been denied by me ... I simply do not understand what is the usefulness of bringing it to the table. (Well, I guess if we could understand the visions of the world that the other possesses we would not have these conversations to begin XD).

WOW. Only the two of us can convert something as Simple as "Subject1: I think Momo has to act and do something extreme for Shamiko to realize her feelings because she is the only one who can make her realize" "Subject2: I don't think that necessarily have to be her, there are another characters that can cause an extreme event that makes Shamiko realize it" In a long debate with comments of more than 6000 letters XD... How is that we always get things to end like this?

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^"If Lilith had said it there Shamiko would have plausible deniability ("She just misinterpreted" "Ancestor is just trying to cheer me up" etc.)."
I never deny that it was a possibility. "This event COULD trigger a chain reaction that would end with Shamiko realizing her crush" (maybe I should have use "might" instead of "could" to make it more clear?). However, that Shamiko could have doubted of Lillith does not change the fact that she could also have believed in her (remember how much she admires and respects her, to the extent that she always listens and does what Lillth tells her), both scenarios are feasibles. However, as Lillith was never able to tell Shamiko, we can only theorize what would have happened, not assure it. I Mentioned this scene just to give an example of a scenario where Shamiko could have realized about her crush for something done by other character than Momo, in order to prove my point "I am not saying that Momo don't can be the one that causes the triggering event, but it could also be any other character close enought to Shamiko.". And I insist. Anri, I am watching you

"If it doesn't come from Momo's own mouth there is always a way to twist it around."
Even if it came from Momo's mouth, Shamiko could still give it a crooked twist, you know?, She is a proud tsundere after all. She will always find an excuse or a twist until she has been completly cornered and she don't have more options than to face her own feelings (although I admit that it is easier that she be cornered by something said or done by Momo).

"Which is why I believe something extreme has to happen (not necessarily dramatic or bad) where Shamiko finds herself cornered because of her overflowing feelings. Something that might force her to give up on her" enemies "excuse for good."
I 100% agree with you on this.

"Honestly I'm not sure whether it would be better if Momo became her dependant first"
Only by curiosity, why did you bring is topic to the table? Something I said before made you think I was mentioning it indirectly? or, You Just wanted to mention it?

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^"But if we get to the point where Shamiko admits her feelings Momo must have done something quite extreme anyway"
It is not necessary what Momo have done something, is just needed something to happen that would make Shamiko aware about her feelings for Momo (but yes, it would have to be something extreme). For example, let's say that Lillith managed to tell Shamiko the true feelings of Momo before she woke up in chapter 39. This event could trigger a chain reaction that would end with Shamiko realizing her crush.
Something like this, WHAT?!, SHE LOVES ME? !!! -> Why? Why did she fall in love with me? -> How do I respond to her feelings? -> How ... how do I feel about it? -> What do I feel for Momo? -> What is love to begin with? -> (receives advice from someone who can guide her) -> I think ... I think I'm also in love with Momo.
Of course, I am not saying that Momo don't can be the one that causes the triggering event, but it could also be any other character close enought to Shamiko. Anri, I am watching you

^You're wrong.

"It is not specified in her profile, but Eirin reveals to Yuyuko in Imperishable Night that she drank the Hourai Elixir, and in the Final A of all teams, Kaguya helps Eirin after she is defeated the first time shouting out that the heroines won't forget what is going to happen, referring to both the Hourai Elixir and Eirin's true power. This confirms that Eirin consumed the elixir, and has become immortal like Kaguya and Mokou"
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Eirin_Yagokoro

"She offers some therapy before making a medicine as she goes on to say she can't work for them directly as she drank the "medicine made with the princess' ability" (better known as the Hourai Elixir), which Yuyuko calls her greatest enemy."
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Imperishable_Night/Story

^This picture is a reference a Chapter of volume 5, The 55 specifically. It's Shamiko's birthday and Momo doesn't know what to give her. While looking for a gift, she meets Lico. She suggests to her do the same as in this picture, but Momo rejects that idea. Partly because she thought Lico was making fun of her and partly because she was too embarrassed to do so

Better late than never.
Don't question it Shamiko, just enjoy.
PD:Why Momo has two pairs of hair clips?

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Yagakimi + 22 types of kisses? YES! PLEASE!

I need more works of this pairing.

Ganbare Momo! Your goat girlfriend has finally decided to take the initiative! Don't back off now!!!

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^ https://dynasty-scans.com/images/13730 :)

Miku: L-Luka?
Luka: Hello? ... Sorry, Miss Hatsune is not at home right now. Speak her girlfriend. Do you want to leave her a message?
Miku: LUKA?!

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It's good to see that Nio still draw Yuu and Touko even though yagakimi is over. Fill the gap in my heart a little :,)

Don't lie to yourself Shamiko. Your tail reveal what you really want.

^
"She used the Whatever Staff to shoot"
Remember that "Whatever Staff" uses Shamikos Mana. https: //s2.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/a/image/1570/94/1570940588194.jpg, https://s2.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/a/image/1570/94/1570941146047.jpg, https://s2.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/a/image/1568/13/1568131084648.jpg
That attack was carried out using only the power of shamiko herself. Also, even if that were not the case, that would not change the fact that Shamiko eliminated the familiar.

"a familiar that is weak enough to be defeated by normal humans without any powers"
And? That the enemy is weak does not change the fact that it was defeated in combat.

"Not sure I can even count it because she used a game breaking weapon"
Really?... Ok, I don't want to be offensive, but that's stupid. To that logic, Thanos never defeated the avengers in this scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP5b3qHG6Hw just because he used the infinity stones. "The guy beat them up, but since he use super broken space magic stones instead of his own strength, I can't say he defeated them" citing yourself "Sounds pretty stupid, right?" It would be different if we were discussing whether it was a fair victory or not, but that is not the case.

"Might as well consider her holding down the dog to retrieve Lilith as a victory then"
(sigh) ... The example I gave was a fight. Tell me how the hell are both scenarios comparable? your comparison makes no sense.

"Magnificent feats"
Okay. Now you are simply imagining things. When I said that defeating sakuras familiar was a great feat? The only thing I said was that defeating it counted as a victory (victory =/= great feat). Never, in any part of my last comment did I mention it was a great feat.
 
I remind you of all this discussion start because I affirm that Shamiko has had some victories. That is all that I am defending right now. And wherever you look at it, the defeat of the familiar is an undeniable victory of Shamiko. Hell, not only does it meet all the requirements you mentioned before (No luck. No help. Done on her own, and that last fact doesn't change just because she used the "Whatever Staff"), even Momo and Shamiko themselves considered that a victory (Shamiko called it her first victory). And nothing you said in your previous comment refutes that it is.

"Can we stop now? This is just not worth it."
If you want to stop, go ahead. I am not forcing you to answer me. I'm answering you because I want to, but if you don't think it's worth it, then just ignore me.

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^Ok. If you need me to mention an occasion when Shamiko defeated someone in combat with her own hands, without someone's help or some intervention of the luck factor is fine. Remember that time when she defeated sakura's familiar. we can agree that that counts as a victory, right? therefore your previous statement "Shamiko never wins on purpose and when she does it's not alone" is still wrong.

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