Yeah, the ending was utter trash and seems to be a pattern with yuri stories on Lezhin. Couple breaks up at the end after figuring out how much they love each other but meet up and get back together 2 to 10 years down the line. Quite sick of it.

Anyone else get more and more pissed off at the father each chapter for dropping all the responsibility in Mei's lap?

No, since she chose to take the responsibility entirely on her own despite the attempted retcon.

You're welcome to come up with more plausible in-universe reasons for the phenomenom to still be kicking around than good old dynastic alliance-building.
I'll wait.

Good old dynastic alliance building isnt even still a thing in modern Japan, let alone in the future after the near apocalypse. Besides, the point is that I shouldnt have to fill in the bubbles myself.

You said it yourself - "business reasons." AKA what I've been repeating ad nauseum about strategic alliances, power and wealth.

And like I have said over and over again, they would have to be very specific story based business reasons why a rich girl can only marry this one specific other rich girl. Its all about the specific reasoning, not some reader assumption made to fill in a plothole.

You seem to have some rather odd, if not downright naive, ideas about how powerful upper-class clans have universally operated everywhere and still do in many parts, and why.

The irony is palpable. You seem to have some fantastical idea how upper-class clans operate, it seems you have been reading too much shoujo manga stuffed with unrealistic situations that it has become your default.

That could be it, but then again, he could just be glad his socially awkward daughter has a friend, and also understands that his daughter is, well, socially awkward. He was also over the top happy when he first found out Koyuki's club would get a new member, without knowing almost anything about Amano back then. Even without the whole blatant gayness, it is obvious Honami does not make friends easily, and for that matter I do not think she even has any beyond Amano. Gay or no gay, of course he would be supportive.

You forget that other people already asked Koyuki out to the festival. The manga starts out making it a point that Koyuki is pretty popular. A lot of Koyukis reluctance comes from not wanting to offend the people she already turned down. If it was about supporting just friendship why doesnt dad encourage Koyuki to hang out with the people who asked her out instead of forcing her to ask someone else?

Nothing happens, Yuzu continues to cry over the same shit as last chapter. Yuzus mom holds title as second worse parent in the series. At least it was a full chapter this time.

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Its a rarity to see an accepting parent in a yuri manga, its even rarer to see a supporting one who tries to get their gay daughter a date.

Either that or making her as a villain, since she's assaulting another girl.

By the same standards the girl she is assaulting is already a villain. Its just deserts at that point.

Regardless, would people even be happy with that? Wouldn't that be like, really sudden? Like some kind of consolation prize instead of development a couple properly.

Would be just as well developed as any of the other couples.

Given how the two of them talk about the whole thing, they're totally resigned to being betrothed to people other than the one they love. That's arranged marriage right in the face of it, and it's somewhat difficult to see why their families would brother with the whole thing if there weren't practical (ie. economic and strategic) reasons to. And from Sayuri's comment, plus the presumably solidly middle-class Kohane's bewilderment, we know that's something particular to and not uncommon for wealthy upper-class families.
Ie. political marriages between powerful clans.

So to sum it up literally nothing in those pages gives any actual hint for the particular reasons for their marriages. If you have to make huge assumptions then there really is no point to this.

You're forgetting that the marriage itself forms a certain bond between the two families. This was often the primary purpose of historical political marriages, the whole inheritance shebang often being somewhat secondary or causing problems further down the road (due to inconveniently inherited claims) - or in some contexts all but irrelevant depending on how the relevant laws and customs happened to work.
It's alliance building by the admittedly somewhat primitive but relatively effective expedient of binding the families together by means of marriage and, eventually, children. (Actual track record of those ties has been... patchy to say at least, but practical substitutes have been few and far between.)

And you forget that this story takes place in the future and even in modern Japan using marriages to combine families is seen as archaic. Modern day arranged marriages are almost entirely done for purely business reasons or if the the participants are getting too old to waste time dating to find a suitable partner. Now this takes place in the far future, I doubt that they regressed into inforcing feudal traditions. Even if it was about combing two families, why do these two families absolutely require a combination that they are willing to sell their daughters for? Its these important details that I need or else Im just going to roll my eyes every time the subject is brought up.

The fact that it is now proven that they can swap with only their one specific partner kind of contradicts all this. Their ability can only be used with their soul mate and thats pretty damn romantic.

It might simply mean they can't body-hop. A -> B -> C isn't possible. Doesn't mean that A -> C isn't as possible as A -> B.

Unless this caused by some grand wizard with a book of rules I highly doubt this is the case. This is intended to finally answer the question that has been asked since the very beginning.

well, it wasn't yuri romance to begin with.
swap swap is a story about cute girls doing cute fun things (mostly kissing) togethe,
remember when chitose went berserk kissing everybody, toshino kyouko literally kissed her back lol, it's really fun XD
swap swap isn't serious yuri manga, I like said before, it's just a story about cute girls doing cute kissing things together lol
so don't worry, it won't ruin the series, there won't be any stupid drama

The fact that it is now proven that they can swap with only their one specific partner kind of contradicts all this. Their ability can only be used with their soul mate and thats pretty damn romantic.

cough cough
I'm not sure how you can read those as anything else than it being considered plenty normal for upper-class children to have no doubt strategically and politically useful arranged marriages.

I have no clue what you are trying to get at. Nothing in those pages says anything about why they have arranged marriages. Arranged marriages are not even brought up until the very last line.

Which is kind of the point. This is politics; the very biological sex of the people involved is essentially irrelevant except inasmuch it IRL places restrictions on eligible couplings. One sex being removed from the equation in this setting merely serves to simplify the calculus by removing that stumbling block.

The stumbling block was literally put in place because of the sexes. Daughters couldnt inherit so they would be wed into another house to form an alliance. Families of only daughters were doomed to die unless they got lucky and were able to adopt the second or third son of another house. If daughters can inherit then who gets adopted into which family? Who gets the inheritence? Its a system built around the patriarchy, remove the patriarch and the system fails.

Here we dont even know if these girls are being given to a family or their fiancees are becoming a part of theirs. Are these girls the inheriting members of their families? If so they have plenty of weight to throw around about who they get to marry.

And again, even in modern Japan arranged marriages between children is very uncommon, and the kids are allowed to say no when the day finally comes.

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I think every manga fan can agree that there are some problematic behaviors advocated in the art form.

Taking positive portrayal in fiction to be advocacy is what's problematic. One of the great things about fiction is that it provides a way of indulging in fantasies that ought to remain fantasy. It's one of the best things about manga that this is widely accepted.

The systematic positive portrayal is advocacy. Its not an issue when it comes up every now and then, western media has touched on the same themes. Problem is western media hasnt made it a habit of making these themes common. If all of Steven Kings books ended with children having an orgy then its not out of the question to wonder what Kings private interests are, luckily he can blame the cocaine. Indulging in fantasies is fine, its just wierd how the same specific fantasies keep coming up.

Personally I have no issue, some of my favorite yuri manga is age gap, just saying that it isnt innapropriate to talk about it.

Here the two girls come from well off families and can have a family together, the only reason they cant marry each other is if their families made very specific deals.

Which is specifically implied to be the case so, yeah. Reminder that just because both of their families are rich gits doesn't mean it is in those two families' strategic interests to form dynastic alliances with each other...

No, its not implied at all. They dont give any explanation other than they are rich girls and rich girls are forced into arranged marriages, they dont explain why.

If both girls come from rich families I highly doubt that there is no strategic interest in joining houses. There are very few large businesses that dont have any connections to each other whatsoever, and if they dont then doing so opens them up for expansion into untapped territory or instantly gaining it where they had none before. Even modern day arranged Japanese marriages arent forced on children, they at least get a choice out of a line up of potential partners from a pool. And may I add that they can still say no, families cant legally force their kids to marry. This idea of specific deals made with specific families is out of the ordinary beyond old school lords and ladies.

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Except with one gender removed they dont have to work so hard to get male heirs for their businesses, theyre options for possible marriage partners literally doubles because there is no restriction on gender. In todays world their fiancees dont have the option to leave the girls alone and marry each other, in this mangas world there are a lot less reasons why the girls would be forced to marry one certain person unless if was for a very specific business deal.

All that does is simplify the calculations since you no longer need to match sexes, really. Nothing changes in the underlying dynastic logic.

Yes it does, matching sexes due to women being unable to inherit is a huge part of dynasty building logic. When you see this cliche in other yuri it isnt easy to deal with because the girls cant get married or produce a family, therefore to please their families they are forced to marry men. Here the two girls come from well off families and can have a family together, the only reason they cant marry each other is if their families made very specific deals.

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Sorry, Asagi Ryuu, they all cant be winners.

There's no obvious reason to presume upper-crust "dynastic strategy" would change a lick merely because one sex got removed from the scene. It's about power and wealth and alliances, not people, and has ever been that way.

Except with one gender removed they dont have to work so hard to get male heirs for their businesses, theyre options for possible marriage partners literally doubles because there is no restriction on gender. In todays world their fiancees dont have the option to leave the girls alone and marry each other, in this mangas world there are a lot less reasons why the girls would be forced to marry one certain person unless if was for a very specific business deal.

What possible result? Her getting pregnant? That would involve some tribbing and I don't think she thought for a second that the garden was the place to do that.

It seemed to be the right place to attack and sexually assault her so there really is no reason why it wouldnt be the place to go further.

And the goal was not to make her appear sympathetic, but broken and, ultimately, pitiable.

And it failed to do that by making her look like an unlikable psychopath who was going to rape someone over some stupid jealousy.

The "rape attempt" was hand waved away, so it means it was not relevant, despite how much you want it to be.

Or it means that its bad writing or that the characters are just really dumb. Hand waving away the elephant in the room doesnt mean its not relevant.

If their families get nothing out of marrying each other then what do the families of their arranged fiances get out of marrying them? Wouldnt it be better for the fiances to marry each other?

I was being literal when I said business deals. It probably has to do with the business each family runs.

And thats why I said that I hoped it gets explained because right now it doesnt make a damn lick of sense. Whatever half a decade deal they have with their fiancees they most likely can get it together. And the fact that the manga says that its so common with the other girls that it isnt some specialized deal and instead just rich girl BS directly transferred from our reality without much thought put into it.

I'm just saying that this isn't the author's intention to talk about sexual assault or rape.

If that were remotely true then why bring up the possible results of if Aoi actually raped her? It was attempted rape used in an "engaging" way to explain reproduction but has the unintended consequences of making Aoi look like a psychopath not worthy of the readers sympathy.

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Arranged marriages are more akin to business deals than romantic events. It has everything to do with the prosperity of the family and nothing at all to do with the individual's own desires. In this case, it's probably a matter of either girl's family not getting anything out of the two marrying each other.

If their families get nothing out of marrying each other then what do the families of their arranged fiances get out of marrying them? Wouldnt it be better for the fiances to marry each other?

Fun fact: there are less pedophilia criminal cases in Japan than many places that actually ban child porn.

You do know that Japan has banned CP, right?

I was not expecting arranged marriage to show up in this manga. Maybe I should've.

I really don't get this. Both girls already come from well off families and they can have a family due to the virus or whatever so why cant they marry each other? Hope this gets explored more because right now it aint making a damn lick of sense.

It seemed more like sexual assault and verbal abuse to me, not rape.

That sounds a lot like "rape" to me.

Fun fact: Child porn was banned in Japan in 2014. They havent fully adjusted to this yet.

fun fact: manga characters aren't actual persons.

"Funny" how people get their panties in a bunch for a character having a sexual encounter, but when said characters are butchered in horror or guro manga, it's somehow acceptable and "just fiction".

Dont know why you are making strawmen. Said nothing about whats wrong with cartoon child porn, only explaining the mentality that produces so many stories like this. And no one here is saying that they would rather have these girls being slaughtered than having sex. If a large portion of yuri was about girls being horribly murdered then it wouldnt be innapropriate to ask why.

Is statutory rape not a thing in Japan? Isn't this girl supposed to be in Middle School?

Fun fact: Child porn was banned in Japan in 2014. They havent fully adjusted to this yet.

"I know you tried to rape me the other day but I just wanted to let you know youre beautiful."

*eye roll*

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Its weird reading a spinoff manga of an unreleased show but its making me hyped for the actual show. Glad to see the Namoris influence wasnt just the art style like some people believed.

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Yuri Queen

This is incredibly stupid and it's time to drop it. You're already on the thinnest ice as it is, so it's wise not to push your luck.

What the fuck am I already on thin ice for?

So its perfectly fine for everyone and their grandmother pushing for a tag correction for Nettaigyo wa Yuki ni Kogareru every single chapter release, but I make one little argument two months ago about correcting this one and Im on thin ice?

Remember when I said that I didnt want to express my controversial opinions here because you have made it a habit to ban people for it and then you told me to grow up? Yeah, good times. Cant say that Im glad to have been right. Ill try not to express any more opinions that trigger you.

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