I never understand why so many people want poly relationships I don't like those or harems or anything like that they always feel less genuine even if everyone is in love and happy. I guess I'm just a person that loves a normal two person relationship everything else just feels complicated.

Calling monogamy normal to imply polyamory/polygamy being abnormal is probably part of the problem. It's the same kind of narrowmindedness that encourages other bigotry.

But, that aside, polyamory isn't for everyone, and it must not be for you either. However, there's nothing less genuine about a poly relationship than a two person relationship. You'd probably do well to work on not thinking about it like that and that might help you understand why others might want it.

whoa whoa wait... I have NOTHING against it at all if everyone is happy please be happy that's all I want for people. I guess I might have phrased what I said wrong please do not take it that way and if I offended you or anyone else I deeply apologize. My thought was mainly people just thinking "yay lesbian threesome" and not more outside of that.

I also never implied that poly of any kind was abnormal or anything like that when I said a normal two person relationship I legit meant just two people I just don't get where I implied it was abnormal for poly or anything like that.

You might not have done it intentionally, but the way your statement is presented you are implying that polyamory isn't normal, only the two-person relationship is. Additionally, even if you didn't mean it intentionally, by even making a statement about it in such a way "why do people want x thing and not a normal thing" you're further pushing the idea that polyamory is abnormal and people are abnormal for wanting it

I agree that the wording in the initial post was off, but you could read normal as a statistical statement, not a moral one, in which case polyamory isn't normal, in the same way that being 7 feet tall isn't, which is that it's not common.

I feel like pages 33 35 and 37 sorta imply a true love triangle, with Mao liking Yuki who likes Arashi who likes Mao
Maybe.
Atleast that's what I think arashis reaction on page 35 is supposed to imply.

I think this is accurate with the caveat that Arashi doesn't seem likely to pursue Mao even if she does feel attraction. She seems a bit more worldly than the other two and probably wouldn't get involved, I think anyway. Whereas Mao is obviously obsessed, and Yuki just had an awakening.

If this were actually a series I wouldn't be surprised to see Arashi dating someone other than those two.

OK, I'm going to do it. I'm going to start discourse. I won't attempt to prolong it in any way however; please feel free to ignore this post (in fact, do if it's going to start paragraphs of back and forth).
Genuinely confused what the appeal of this is. I mean the art's nice but I dunno, I fail to care about anything depicted in this, and the fact that this chick is getting her rocks off on random classmates without anything approaching consent while the manga is drawn by Some Guy puts me, personally, off.
Like, damn, how hard is it to just make another brothel manga.

I think it depends on how seriously the story takes itself. That's a hard thing to tell from chapter 1. It could turn out that this is a mess and consent definitely becomes part of the equation in a negative way. Right now, it just seems so over the top that it's funny. It reminds me a little of Yuugai Shitei Doukyuusei.

Plus, it's the type of comedy that really sets up and deflates expectations which I really like. There are like 3 pages where they set up the expectation that she wants to masturbate in class, and instead she just writes in her diary about it. The contrast is funny, especially when it deescalates like that.

If we're going by stupid reasons, then I guess since the senpai is on the ring finger in the extras chapter, then she'll probably win.

Aya at the top of page 3 looks really good. The art here is such a treat.

Yukiko has terrible taste. Konomi is still best girl.

you muat really love manipulative people if you think that jackass is anything worth loving given her twisted inflated ego and manipulation, no one on earth should be in an relationship with konomi

Honestly, this doesn't really deserve a response but I'll give you one anyway.

I'm not going to pretend that Konomi hasn't done some manipulative stuff, but overall Konomi has been really upfront about what she wants from Yukiko. Yukiko is the one that has been giving everyone mixed signals, but Konomi has been going for what she wants in the way she thought was best. She's a girl that's suffered some trauma growing up, and that's messed up her sense of what is right, but that doesn't mean she is actively malicious.

Fuuko, on the other hand, has been so toxically jealous that this chapter was the first chapter since like chapter 4 or 5 she actually said Konomi's name. She just kept calling her "that girl" which in no way implies she would be a person ready for a healthy relationship. And unlike Konomi, she has no excuse.

Not to mention, as all best girls, Konomi has been the only one to actually move the plot forward. Before Konomi, Yukiko and Fuu were not in a relationship, they were just friends holding hands.

Yukiko has terrible taste. Konomi is still best girl.

I was wondering if someone confessing to Minami would trigger something in Yuzu, but we already know Minami has been confessed to a lot, so that probably wouldn't tell us anything. Now I'm curious if any girls have confessed to her before. Her just leaning and sighing got half her class blushing.

I can't state it more clearly than that. Being okay with kissing does not mean it is okay to go further than kissing. That isn't "mixed signals" that's a boundary and boundaries should be respected, not smashed down with abandon.

It is mixed signals to imply multiple times to someone "come over to my place so we can fuck" and then they just want to make out. That doesn't mean I think you should push them down, but it is mixed signals. You're taking when I say mixed signals to mean what happened in this chapter only. I'm saying the mixed signals are across all of their interactions, not just this chapter.

As for what happened at the end, yes, pushing her down is a little much, but she's not pushing her down and giving her oral or playing with her breasts. She's just about to kiss her again, which Mei already said was ok.

And also, the conversation is ambiguous, not about going forward that's clear, but about why Mei is stopping them. It is not an unreasonable interpretation that she's saying, "I won't fuck unless we're official", rather than "I won't fuck at all". Karin thinks Mei doesn't want to be casual so she says ok, then let's date.

Let's forget about the manga for a moment. You kiss a girl and tell her you want to go further so she should go to your place, but the girl isn't free tonight so you exchange numbers. You see her again and invite her on a specific day to continue what you were talking about before. She goes to your place, you cook her dinner, you try to take it further and she says not unless we're dating. So you officially ask her out. You tell her you're single, you're interested in her, and you want to date. You ask her what she thinks and whether there is someone else she'd rather date.

This is where it gets ambiguous. Clearly Mei doesn't immediately respond and Karin tries to entice her with more kissing. And it's not clear how much time has passed between the initial question and Mei's lack of response turning into Karin's impatience. Your framing of it is as if Karin didn't communicate with Mei at all, when she has been communicating throughout the entire process. Like I said before, she hasn't been perfect, but she hasn't been as pushy as your description.

Karin is definitely best girl. She knows what she wants and goes for it. They're in college, she asks her on a date, she asks her out. That champagne kiss was great too.

She might know what she wants, but she doesn't seem to understand the concept of "not on the first date," which is a problem.

They kissed on their first meeting, Karin invited her to her place, and she held off when she was told no. Well, held off for a bit anyway. I'm not saying she was perfect, but "not on the first date" is not everyone's philosophy, and at minimum she's getting mixed signals.

A) "You can do this, but not that" is not "mixed signals." Kissing someone is not permission to go further.

B) "Not on the first date" may not be everyone's philosophy but any adult person should be pretty freakin' aware that it is some people's philosophy, and acting like someone just grew a second nose because they won't let you suck on their tits is pretty poor behavior.

C) Stopping when told to stop is bare minimum As in actually stopping, not "holding off for a bit".

You can say "I'm not saying she was perfect," but like....that's literally the problem? It's not hard to be perfect on this!

I think you're reading into my comment. I didn't say kissing was permission to go further, I was saying that Mei didn't mind the kissing, and they haven't known each other for long, so Karin's decision to go further isn't ridiculous. Not to mention, Karin is telling Mei her thought process the entire time. She didn't jump her out of nowhere, she's basically narrating her desires giving Mei the opportunity to consent.

As for B, the author made a point that she's tipsy, and her being whiny for like a second about being denied seems more a result of the gag manga aspects here, than poor behavior.

But back to mixed signals for a bit, let's review their interactions in previous chapters:
Chapter 1
Karin: I feel like kissing you.
Mei: If you're okay with me.
They kiss.
Karin: I'm totally in love...Wanna come to my place? I want to take my time continuing this [as Karin licks Mei's ear]. Is it okay?
Finds out it's past dorm curfew.
Karin: Next time, we'll take things more slowly.
They exchange contact information.

Chapter 4
Karin: Come over...I feel like picking up where we left off.
Mei: ?
Karin: After that kiss.
Mei: Sure.
Karin: Now it's a promise.
Karin sucks/bites on Mei's finger.

Karin's intentions have been really clear. She wants to do more than kissing, most probably she wants to fuck. At least, they're clear enough to the average adult, though Mei didn't pick up on it, so I think it's natural for Karin to be a bit whiny about it, and she does stop when told to immediately. The context of their previous interactions matter, and people are allowed to be disappointed if things don't go the way they were expecting.

You explain to me how that isn't mixed signals.

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Karin is definitely best girl. She knows what she wants and goes for it. They're in college, she asks her on a date, she asks her out. That champagne kiss was great too.

She might know what she wants, but she doesn't seem to understand the concept of "not on the first date," which is a problem.

They kissed on their first meeting, Karin invited her to her place, and she held off when she was told no. Well, held off for a bit anyway. I'm not saying she was perfect, but "not on the first date" is not everyone's philosophy, and at minimum she's getting mixed signals.

Karin is definitely best girl. She knows what she wants and goes for it. They're in college, she asks her on a date, she asks her out. That champagne kiss was great too.

As the poster above you mentioned, Kasumi has consistently been portrayed as mostly aromantic and/or asexual. She has made/permitted romantic gestures with Sakurako many times despite this. The explanation is, as Sakurako described in this chapter, that they have built their relationship on multiple implicit understandings -- Kasumi understands that Sakurako is in love with her, while Sakurako understands that Kasumi is not interested in sex/romantic relationships.

I think my issue is that implicit understandings at some point need to be made explicit, and 9 years into a relationship, whatever kind of relationships, is pretty late. It's hard to take it seriously.

Ultimately, the fact that Sakurako and Kasumi have different levels of physical desire is actually COMPLETELY FINE and an excellent foundation for a compelling yuri story. The fluffy 4koma format more or less guarantees a happy ending, while the initial developments made it clear early on that the story was indeed about romantic feelings. In the same way that Sakurako's chat with Moka about being happy with an unlabelled relationship made perfect sense at the time, the present developments are also a completely natural extension of Sakurako and Kasumi's romantic dynamic/relationship.

Different levels of desire would be fine in a relationship that is just starting out. That's something you figure out at the beginning. And even if we account for their relationship being kind of nebulous on terms and exactly what they want out of it, 9 years is a long time to go without figuring that stuff out. Like, Sakurako has made a number of references to wanting actual sex from Kasumi.

It's just difficult to buy into this. I get that it's a 4koma, and thus there might not be a point to taking it so seriously. But that's also what puts me off. I don't find the relationship believable.

Honestly, this right here is why this hasn't been a particular favorite of mine. Sakurako has made her feelings clear like 100 times in the past, and the fact that she's only making a deal of it now is so weird to me. If they're ambiguously dating, then they probably aren't being physical either besides those occasional kisses. And Sakurako has made herself clear that she wants to be physical with Kasumi, so she's been holding back this entire time.

This is peak Heisei era nonsense.

...I'm so confused.

So both of them is bi?

Well, we don't know. One of them is bi based on character profile. The other one has a boyfriend and is attracted to a woman, but that doesn't really tells us anything about her sexuality. She could be bi, a lesbian dealing with comphet, straight but has a thing only for the other protagonist, or none of the above if we've misread her attraction.

I'm not going to pretend it was perfect. It was definitely rough in some areas, but I kind of enjoyed it, especially at the quick pace we got the chapters. If I was waiting week to week I would probably like it a lot less. And Tokiko was interesting enough to keep me going through some of the bad bits, which means the ending is the weakest part. Overall though I'm glad I read it. It was fun.

They both clearly have feelings. The question is why haven't they acted on it yet, which I assume we'll find out in future chapters. Maybe it was always a case of poor timing?

The bossy roommate who looks like a delinquent is actually a serious academic and a good senpai (and also has depraved fetishes)

She's not a good senpai. She's a violent bitch with anger issues. If there's something this chapter makes crystal clear it's how unhinged and dangerous she is. Perhaps she was included in the harem's roster to appeal at yandere fans?

I wouldn't go quite that far, but she definitely has boundary issues, and her whole thing about making her change before she'll be near her is a little much. I'm not a fan either. She seems really possessive and controlling, and that's just as a roommate, forget dating.

I expect there’s gonna be some twist to Karin’s personality that will be revealed next chapter, cause all the other girls had one.

The pure and sweet retired gravure idol is actually really horny and kinda dominant
The assertive and experienced teacher is actually a total maiden and probably a bottom
The cool and suave butch girl is actually a socially awkward otaku with depraved fetishes
The bossy roommate who looks like a delinquent is actually a serious academic and a good senpai (and also has depraved fetishes)
The horny and forward girl who sees women as prey is actually…

A serial monogamist interested in a long term relationship? The only thing I can think of.

This is a large-type Huge and over here there are mid and small type Huge. ...

Who came up with that naming scheme‽

Maybe it works better in the original Japanese?

What an absolute tease on the Karin chapter. Next chapter will be what I'm here for. It's interesting to see who has the jealous and who has the not jealous reactions to the other girls.

I'm glad this is a romcom because that mom is tragedy material right there.

I'm not gonna lie, this chapter made me tear up a bit. Evie's loneliness, coupled with Elsa's understand and caring, it was just too much.

But at the same time I kinda wish the drama went on for a bit? I want the system plotline to be resolved fully because otherwise it feels like a Sword of Damocles on every situation.

I agree with the comments here, Meguru knows exactly what she's doing. She probably knows that Hayafuji has a crush on her and is taking advantage of the situation. Hopefully we'll get a chapter from Meguru's perspective soon so we can find out what her goal is here.