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joined Jul 26, 2016

"Mari-san labu"? Proper Engrish would of course have been "Mari-san rabu."

This is Arisa we're talking about.

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joined Jul 26, 2016

random posted:

Not really. Well I don't have studies or anything, but if we're going with common senses, --

...and this basically renders the entire rest of the post so much TL;DR because as it happens "common senses" - as in, the common layman perception based on pure anecdote rather than any systematic and rigorous methodology - have preciously little evidence value and only too often are plain wrong.

Tell it to Doctor_Hoot then who disagreed with me using the powerful evidence of common sense themselves:

The topic of polyamory is controversial and understudied, but that doesn't mean you can dismiss it off out of hand. And that's just the topic of actual relationships - you don't have to be in a relationship to fancy more than one person at the same time, so it would be even more common if you use common sense.

It's true I didn't really have any evidence to support my claim except for what I said, but that pretty much goes to Doctor_Hoot as well, so if you want to be ass to someone, dismiss their post not mine. I only answered them on what base I was making my assumption. Also you clearly didn't even bother reading entire thing, because then I proceed to explain why I don't even need any studies when talking about manga, because fiction uses different rules.

He's using the term "common sense" in the context of reasoning though, not trying to employ it as a basis for overarching clams about large-scale human behaviour. His argument there is certainly valid enough so, yeah.

You're quite correct that I didn't read the whole thing. When a lenghty post trying to argue a point without any line breaks begins with admitting being based on a glaring fallacy I'm somewhat inclined to just not bother.

last edited at Jan 5, 2019 8:15AM

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joined Jul 26, 2016

I can't really say it often enough, but I don't feel any chemistry between Yuu and Sayaka. Like at all. You can force the connection in there if you really tried, but it's kinda obvious that Sayaka barely acknowledges her with or without Touko's existence.
The snarky couple thing only works if they have anything in common or even something opposite that attracts them to each other. With their personalities and guarded attitudes I simply can't even imagine a scenario where they would ever get together if Touko never existed (okay, I actually can always cook up some crazy plot, but that would be brutally farfetched).

I'd say their "professionally distant" relationship is largely because of Touko, though. Sayaka's at least vaguely suspicious and jealous of whatever's going on between Yuu and Touko, while Yuu's trying to keep it secret from, y'know, Touko's BFF who's also rather perceptive and smart to boot.
A certain chilly awkwardness is somewhat inevitable there.

That aside I've always had the impression that they like and respect each other well enough as people, it's just the whole mess around Touko results in uncomfortable tensions and them kind of avoiding direct contact with each other. If you removed those complications they'd likely get along just fine.

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joined Jul 26, 2016

Not really. Well I don't have studies or anything, but if we're going with common senses, --

...and this basically renders the entire rest of the post so much TL;DR because as it happens "common senses" - as in, the common layman perception based on pure anecdote rather than any systematic and rigorous methodology - have preciously little evidence value and only too often are plain wrong.

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joined Jul 26, 2016

A cattroll Kozue is fine too~

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Image Comments 04 Jan 10:23
joined Jul 26, 2016
Homucat

^ To put them on Homura, naturally.

random
joined Jul 26, 2016

Uwaah...

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joined Jul 26, 2016

…Wait, didn't she see the customers "real" appearance when she first visited?

Why? For all we know she didn't even place the order "avatar to avatar" but by email.

joined Jul 26, 2016

lol what a cute manga, Nikaidou is soooo thirsty.

And seeing as how Inko's p much oh god take me already I'd say they're a good match... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

joined Jul 26, 2016

So, did she swallow the panties?

Maki confirmed actually Kirby.

random
joined Jul 26, 2016

If people refuse to accept possible triple (polyamory) ending (not treesome in sexual way, to be clear here), what about possibility Sayaka pairing with a lady from a cafe? (can't remember her name now)...

Hakozaki sensei, she already brings insecurity in her partner from time to time, and she is pretty vague in her feelings about their relationship, not to forget to mention the fact that she didn't say anything about contacting a guy from a theater (it's not clear why).
But cafe lady, she does not seem "paranoid"...It's more like sensing something (a 6th sense? potential troubles? sensing Hakozaki as half-hearted?)

Personally observing, Sayaka would fit with an older woman (her adoration for authority she found in Touko shows it). And there is already some connection between those two (Sayaka and cafe lady).

I'm seriously failing to see how do you figure this would be any better, or more palatable.

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Image Comments 04 Jan 05:36
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Dvwpavjx4aapgnj-orig

^^ Dat A-chan face at the end tho

random
joined Jul 26, 2016

Not this again.

There is no indication that Touko was ever contemplating or had any inclinations toward suicide. People are reading way too much into that.

Your basic point is sound—a tragic end for Touko was almost certainly never on the table—but the above is overstatement. There certainly have been at least a couple of hints with ominous overtones in the story, specifically connected to the railroad tracks.

  • Chapter 10: Yuu makes her first attempt at swaying Touko from her current path:

Yuu: There are people who would accept you just the way you are. (Etc.)
Touko: I would rather die than be told that. (Train roars by directly behind her.)

Sure, people say “I would rather die than ___” all the time without meaning it literally. But given the context, there’s a depth to that statement even if it’s not literal. Touko is not being casual in her phrasing, at any rate.

  • Chapter 23: opens with Touko standing in a graveyard, and the first scene ends with her question, “And then . . .where can I go?”

The last scene begins with Touko smelling the obon incense just as she enters the train station, and then she repeats her previous question, “But what happens after the play is over? . . . Where . . Can I go?” (A rather more bleak formulation than, for example, “What should I do then?”) And visually there’s both the blank space in the distance and the sign reading, “Non stop to final destination.”

None of this is evidence that Touko was actually “contemplating suicide,” and as it turns out, some people at the time (no doubt influenced by the long tradition of Tragic Lesbians in popular culture generally and yuri manga specifically) were indeed overreacting, but there’s certainly enough death/finality verbal and visual imagery to be a bit unsettling.

They say that “two may be coincidence, three is a pattern,” and IIRC, we don’t have three. So readers at the time may have been overreacting to Touko’s personal crisis, but they weren’t making things up out of whole cloth either.

Considering the root cause of Touko's Major Malfunction it hardly seems strange that her thinking, especially in moments of severe self-doubt, might flit towards alarming directions. Or to phrase it differently, while she's well-adjusted and stable enough that it seems mighty unlikely for her to go actively suicidal the nature of her trauma - experiencing the death of someone near and dear at young age - is such that it doesn't really come as a surprise if she dwells on the concept of death, if only as a metaphor and abstract concept, to uncomfortable degrees.

Though when you think about it there might be some rather personal symbolism involved. After all in a certain sense her abandoning the "imitation Mio" persona she's painstakingly built up over the years and internalized - a path which both Yuu and Sayaka have been prodding her to take, occasionally somewhat unsubtly (*cough*play*cough*) - would mean the figurative death of that persona, a part of herself artificial though it may be.
And I suppose if you read the whole exercise as an elaborate coping mechanism for the grief of losing her sister (it could be argued in some ways she's trying to keep Mio alive in herself) it'd also mean fully accepting her passing; another figurative death in a way.

And teenagers being in a liminal stage of life are wont to fret over questions of their identity and future path at the best of times even without all the additional heavy psychological baggage she's burdened with; quō vādis, Touko?

last edited at Jan 3, 2019 4:13PM

random
joined Jul 26, 2016

"Virtual AI" sounds rather redundant...

If given a body or put into robotics is it still virtual?

It is no more or less "virtual" irrespective of the physical hardware it's running on.

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joined Jul 26, 2016

Thought it was an gynoid visiting her maker at first, but this isn't too bad either.

Was my first thought too, not in the least as we already have a few stories along those lines 'round the place.

I thought she was a virtual AI

Same here

"Virtual AI" sounds rather redundant...

random
Their Story discussion 03 Jan 11:36
joined Jul 26, 2016

So, that's the explanation. So, it's not about author, glad to know it.
Thank you very much. Does it mean Chinese government is making some censorships about LGBT contents? Or it's about something else?

Emperor Xi's cracking down on pretty much everything considered insufficiently "Chinese" and patriotic. Think "Socialist Realism" style cultural controls. Anyone's guess how much of that is due to his personal values (and/or those of factions he's aligned with), how much is the usual intraparty power games and how much is wider Party nervousness about their position (they're not pouring megabucks into creating a truly Orwellian high-tech surveillance state "just because").
Kind of anxious times to be outside the conformist mainstream in any case.

random
joined Jul 26, 2016

Strikes me as an early pilot or similar.

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Image Comments 03 Jan 05:06
joined Jul 26, 2016
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^That... does sound weirdly in character actually. Touko had a bit of a habit of peculiarly restrained requests IIRC.

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Image Comments 03 Jan 03:22
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Dvwpavjx4aapgnj-orig

^Find a Watamote DJ drawing that actually has a background and there's good chances of finding a more or less disgusted Emoji somewhere in there. Hell - that happens often enough in the actual comic; it's kind of her running gag.

random
joined Jul 26, 2016

I dream of the day where I can read an ending to a yuri love triangle where everyone just agrees to go the polyamorous route.

"This manga just might be the greatest thing ever."

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Their Story discussion 03 Jan 02:31
joined Jul 26, 2016

QT really needs to do something about all those inhibitions if she doesn't want to keep getting one-upped by SJ (who has few to none).

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Image Comments 03 Jan 02:03
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Dvwpavjx4aapgnj-orig

^ In Watamote context, p much.

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Image Comments 03 Jan 01:43
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Md1gulh

...and I thought Himecut was the thirsty horndog between these two. :/
Faith in humanity: shattered

joined Jul 26, 2016

The intervention was just in time to stop anything irrecoverable from happening such as unprotected handholding, but

I'll forgive the author for the nurse interruption cliche just because of the "I don't have enough nicotine" line lmao

this kek

joined Jul 26, 2016

Ah, right. Somehow thought they were again in the lit club room ^^;

Necessary reminder, and totally not because I find that spontaneous ahegao face Nikaido's making absolutely hilarious. o3o