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tMnR is so beautiful... (｡•́︿•̀｡)
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For the love of tMnR... She released her doujin in non-chronological order so you can read them in whatever order you like.However, she's recently stated that this is the rough chronological order of her works:
Deep Blue Sea Like Me → The Secret Shokolad (vol. 1) → The Secret Shokolad (vol. 2) → Fortunate Re”lation [ re-release of Fortunate Relation; not yet scanlated] → Your Straightforward Expression → passion → Time for sweet living [her latest work!]
Thank you for that chronological order, it helps to appreciate her doujins even more. I don't even know the original setting of Love live! but am really enjoying those stories. Thank you translators!
WHAT A BULLSHIT WAY TO END! JUST BECAUSE SHE SEE'S REIICHI WITH ANOTHER WOMAN, YOU END IT WITH HER FALLING TO AMNESIA OR WHATEVER THE FUCK!? REALLY!? TAKE MY 2 CENTS GAAAAAAAAH! PATHETICCCC
That is some kind of beautiful :3
@Peccata Almost of all my yes to what you wrote. I might add that we have yet to learn what has happened between Uta's parents and Kaoru, so perhaps he accepted her love(?) out of guilt to her in addition of her love(romantic or not) to his sister.
The way it will continue after this will make or break the story if it goes the standard obvious route then ya it's going to feel rather played out but it could do something different as anything deserves a chance untill it shows it failed and this hasn't failed yet.
Why would the standard route automatically result in a failure? The problem is that a story has to make sense (in its own context), sometimes the standard route is the most logical/best route to take instead of some clusterfuck just to be "original". But I guess it's a problem of expectations that I don't share with some people : everything doesn't have to be original to be enjoyable.
I'm curious as to what different route you are thinking of. At least, I'm happy that you're not considering possible outcomes as either cheap or stupid,
@Schuyguy, I'm curious about your avatar. Would you mind telling me where does it come from?
At first I thought “what a nice guy to see in a yuri manga," [...].
What a nice guy who forget anniversaries, is always absent and rejected her numerous times :p. But yes, he isn't an asshole and looks pretty chill despite the flaws we've seen. I think it happens to make mistakes, perhaps the marriage was one, if he is cheating.
last edited at Nov 13, 2017 7:06AM
Well, people were imagining the "worst possible outcome" of the husband cheating on her so there's a excuse for Uta to get a chance at her, and that already happened, so expecting another worst possible outcome seems pretty reasonable right now.
Ah, well, it was pretty expected and even hinted at if you look at it more closely, but the amnesia thing just looks like something people who didn't like this outcome throw in the air out of frustration more than anything.
I know this might be a misunderstanding, but if it is then Kaoru will just become hateable, she's been a pain in the ass through the story so far.
How could she be detestable? What has she done that would make her hated?
[...] if that's the case then I hope Kaoru is actually dead.
I don't really get the grudge you seemed to to have towards the character.
last edited at Nov 12, 2017 10:01PM
So reiichi never love or never was interest in her:(
When somebody rejects you seven times, there is a point where you have to take a hint, I guess... In the end, she got what she wanted and it is admirable to see her tenacity! But we don't know if it is really cheating, but there's dishonesty involved and I don't think it's going to be good.
Why is anyone talking about amnesia?
Because people love to overreact and try to imagine the worst possible outcome so they could complain some more! The scenario imagined is that during her fall she hits her head and gets amnesia so she falls for Uta or something.
last edited at Nov 12, 2017 8:59PM
Big bro seemed like a good guy.
He looks chill, but I wouldn't say good : he was many times absent and forgot their birthdays, overall he seems pretty apathetic and distant.
Meh, twist cliché as for now and honestly, not really needed.
I don't know.. Things need to happens to make a story progress, cliché or not.
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You guys really hate angst though
I agree, I wonder why they keep reading it (unless the tags aren't here at first). To be honest, this is really good angsty shit. I'm loving the inner suffering of Uta, the fact that we have her inner thoughts as well makes it all even more powerful. The boredom of Kaoru as a wife, the fact that she seemed lost and all... Loving it, thanks Chaosteam!
last edited at Nov 12, 2017 4:18PM
Are they taking the easy route? Unless it's just a pran..misunderstanding. There are several clues pointing to it being almost one-sided though, like the husband/brother just went for it because Kaoru wouldn't give up; but that'd be the easiest route, I wouldn't mind though. It could very well be a business relation, the glasses girl is most probably the friend from chapter 4.
That said, I really enjoy the sentiment of hopelessness that comes from the MC perspective, a sweet pain. I don't know why it doesn't feel as tragic as other angsty stories, and it doesn't feel that great either. But if they managed to keep the angst on roughly the same level all the way, I could bear a bad (i.e. non-yuri) ending without the sister falling for MC.
Wait & see, I guess!
last edited at Nov 12, 2017 2:31PM
heads up,chapter 19 will be posted soon on Dynasty. Hopefully until next week.before the new chapter.
You forced me to buy all the volumes, you monsters! (Thank you <3)
I've read it elsewhere. But it's much better here.
Yep, the alternative translations was a bit clumsy even if I was glad I could read it. But there was a lot missing.
last edited at Nov 12, 2017 12:41PM
This was nice but wow...untouched detail that may have been unintentional but all the same:
Yuki didn't have a ring. Neither did she have a child with her. She seemed very forlorn and sad and even distant. I dunno if it's on purpose, but either things didn't work out with her tutor or she lied about the pregnancy. She's the victim in all this it seems, and I feel so bad for her.
True, even without going that far into detailed analysis, just the fact that she is crying already means regret of some sort. I guess what you pointed out takes a step towards the saddest outcome, the other one being she's just sad one of her relationship ended while still being happy with her current one.
Curious as to why some consider this the best twin yuri? Like what are you looking for that is there and vice versa?
I really liked it as well, perhaps a bit too short and a bit frustrated to not see more gayness or even after they acknowledged their feelings for each other. It was really sweet nonetheless.
To me NTR is a really specific kind of work, usually really dark and fucked up to the core, that is why you describing this series as one sounds to me so wrong on so many lvls.
I was just pointing out similarities with stuff I've experienced in NTR, not actually calling it NTR.
Itsuki never really deceive her.
That is plainly wrong, regardless of the rest :p The very act of changing his identity to reach out to her is deceiving. And that ought to be confusing to be falling for her girl just to learn it's guy afterwards. Sure you can realise that you love the person regardless of their sex/gender, but that takes some time to process.
Meanwhile, Itsuki, who's trying to help her to get closer to her with the goal to be with her, falls for another girl. Well, her only fault was falling for him(er) (s)he was nice with her, still I can't help but feel a bit of unfairness coming from Itsuki's side.
Would it have been really different if she confessed to her before? I don't know.. Botan falls for the guy pretty fast and I'm pretty sure he does too.
And that is again something I never saw.
It came from a discussion from a friend and I think I've read in the "Your fault" story. It happens when you think of love as a competition, somehow.
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I'm pretty sure you either use the term NTR incorrect or don't understand what it actually mean. This is just a normal love triangle, there is nothing NTR about it.
Explain to me where I'm wrong, just saying it is a bit frustrating. What I was going for is that in the stories I read which were labelled NTR, the MC get their love interest taken from them because they take too much time or don't want to actually commit to their feelings (that and the fact they're getting off of it, which is clearly absent there, yes); this is kind of what is happening right there when she explains to herself that she took too much time to realise what she was feeling.
Tokujira kinda solved her issues way too late [...].
^ And, apparently, I'm not alone thinking like this. So this is was the kind of similarities I had in my mind, and if I push it further, I could say that NTR is just a specific case of a love triangle.
The point is that in NTR stories, I've seen people write "the cucked one (that would be Tokujira there) deserves it" and the above quote gives similar vibes (way waaaay less spiteful, obviously). That would've been less sad if it was Tokujira's own fault to lose her love interest. But since she was deceived by Itsuki, I find it unfair - that said, yes, this is just the outcome of a love triangle, I'm just sad my "team" lost.
last edited at Nov 11, 2017 11:57AM
I'm a little lost on the whole "HaruMatsu". I don't see anything hinting at attraction/romance.
It comes from the extras mostly, with Matsuri flirting with Harumin and the latter not being indifferent to it, she's not really responding to it but she is reacting anyway. And I think it also has to do with the "I don't like melodramas so I don't care about the main couples and want to see something with less complications and more fluffs" for which Harumatsu looks like a good candidate.
Although with Matsuri's tendency to act like a psycho/sociopath, I'm not sure their couple would be as cute as they'd like to see.
If anything, it'd be Harumi having a one-sided love towards Yuzu or something.
It looked like it in the first chapters and some extras as well, but I'd like to think about it as Harumi being very attached to her best (only) friend? I mean, they're both gyarus but Harumi was/is hiding it and Yuzu in vol5 did a touching speech about their friendship and that they should be able to embrace their true selves. I hope that won't be "tainted" by transforming it in a love story. Also, Harumi will have to deal with her big sister who's a real siscon apparently :3
It hurts my heart to see Tokujira crying like that... Being too late is a common mistake in netorare stories, but here it doesn't feel like she deserved it (contrary to what some may think in NTR stories), I just feel sad. But I guess it makes sense since Botan fell in love with Guy Itsuki and not girl Itsuki... Still feels like a bittersweet outcome for me.
Edit Well, I guess I'll cry alone for Tokujira's sake!
last edited at Nov 11, 2017 7:28AM
Is it really necessary to use spoiler tags since it doesn't look like the chapters will ever be uploaded here?
Well, better safe than sorry I guess.
somewhat strange to see Yuma, whose extreme denseness was so annoying in earlier chapters, to be this straightforward, and aware of things. Strange, but very nice. Although, why on earth is she doing it is beyond me. I mean, sure, she is in love, it is also obvious Hotaru reciprocates, but feelings are not everything. When someone puts another person though as much crap as Hotaru did here, they usually split, despite the feelings. I have no problem with people who accept the horrible traits of their partners, but that is not how Yuma was portrayed here. She felt genuinely betrayed and hurt, but now she is going forward as if nothing happened.
Well, when you love someone you try to make it work, sometimes beyond reason. And we're talking about highschoolers there, I won't be expecting maturity and pure logic (which is unattainable even outside of highschool), and to be honest, I don't think things were that extreme. I mean, I've read/heard some stories with schizophrenic guys, abortions and stuff and they still tried to make it work for years - the stuff that is happening in this manga is really tame in comparison.
That's why I didn't (fully) get the hate for the protagonists. I feel everything is blown out of proportions because of the melodrama tone : it's not like they spent several years on their respective relationships and their lives will* be ruined because of this, it's highschool romance after all. Well, Yuma's image suffered a bit, but the psychological trauma isn't that strong. So perhaps, as she finally accept her feelings, Yuma is going "fuck it, I don't want to regret a thing" and is actually trying to start something with Hotaru.
"Surely, there's nothing wrong with one person loving another." And that entire look of 'I accept the situation and support you'. He turned out to be a genuinely nice guy. He had some ups and downs, but he more than made up for it by supporting Yuma when she needed it the most. Lol, I still remember when people painted him as nothing but a horny adolescent who just wants to get into her pants.
Really? Haha, from the start he's portrayed as such a nice guy and always has the correct reactions that I could argue he's almost Gary Stu (except the main girl doesn't fall for him, poor guy or good for him some would say). All things considered, maybe that's why people were so keen on hating the two girls, because if the nice guy suffers, it's not cool.
Hotaru crying and giving up just was out of character and the sex scene just came out of nowhere [...].
Why? It's what she wanted from the start, to keep being Yuma's centre of attention. It's even supported by the flashback scenes of Hotaru seeing Yuma being away from her. The sex scene follows naturally because they finally (temporarily?) accepted each other feelings; although I can give you that it looks very rushed and doesn't have the impact it deserved inside the story.
About the ensuing drama.. Perhaps Hotaru is hopeless, perhaps the author is forced to prolonged the series. I shall wait the future chapters to see if it works!
I'm wondering if authors of that kind of story receive bad taste messages of unhappy readers or haters... In the author page there is a very unsavory message insulting the author, although they won't ever come here - and I wonder how much it could affect their love for their own story.
last edited at Nov 13, 2017 10:06AM
"wow wtf the master is a creep now" This fucking site.
They do kiss in the baths in a one shot, though. But that's not canon.
That said, one of the point of the age gap is kind of going against morals for your love, sooo they're not entirely wrong if something were to happen, which isn't the case (yet?). I wouldn't mind to see it happening in the story if it's brought up very well (since this isn't a hentai), but I doubt they'll go further than kisses.
What is Mel even doing there in the first place?
I think it has to do with the master feeling lonely and adopting a little pet to keep her company? At least that's what it looks like, since they're educated and all, I think they also sever as helpers for their master.
Like I said, I haven't been to Paris, so I have to ask... is it really culturally acceptable to platonically kiss your friends in a public place or is it just like those anime that say "it's fine to kiss your friends on the lips, that's what they do in America!"?
It'd be like those ideas about America. Otherwise, I think no one will care if you kiss somebody in a station, or wherever, people in Paris are always in a rush so they tend to not care about what's happening next to them. That said, you only kiss on the cheek people you're really close to.
The correct way to greet is what Catherine described in the last panel of the left column in p7, on each cheeks or three times alternating between cheeks depending where you are. There is also the question of starting by the right or the left cheek, depending on if you're in north/Paris or in the south.
Also, is Christine Christina's sister or is that someone else? I think I'm just confusing my characters, but Christina did say she was half-French, right?
Yep, I think so. I don't remember the chapter but it's the one Christina is introduced, I think, and it is the reason Kou came to her to ask for a transfer.
You would probably have an easier time showing off Paris using the metro rather than struggling with the traffic
Definitely, but I don't think showing the train station is really glamorous, except perhaps for the lines that go above the ground.
last edited at Nov 9, 2017 3:46PM
Crazies, crazies everywhere. I love the Japanese and their to over-exaggerate everything to the max. Once I stopped reading it as yuri manga, it went okay.
As usual, she is a bit OP as a yandere, she has the edge a bit too quickly, but I guess it wouldn't have the same impact if she was harmless. Also, I think it'll be the first time I won't be cheering for a yuri end; I kinda want the brother and her best friend to do some kind of detective hunt and have the mother, brother and sister finally reunited. I'm curious to see how it'll turn out.
But I guess Matsuzaka(?) deserves some kind of.. happiness? I don't know, being raised by the very broken (fucked up) woman her aunt is, she didn't get a good start in life and she managed to sort it out, somehow. Though, I guess that even before killing that guy, she already was a bit despicable even if I could see it as just somebody trying to find themselves.. Well, I guess this is one very diligent psychopath!
last edited at Nov 9, 2017 2:53PM
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Are they part of the series or just drawings of similar character?
To be honest, what surprises me isn't the characters fucking so much as the fact that itou hachi did porn.
I'm pretty much convinced that every artists ever is interested in drawing porn/sexy stuff at one points, especially for characters they created. Not that they would become porn artist completely but because it is interesting and can result into wonderful things.
I'm always surprised at people getting, well, surprised at artists drawing porn. I mean, that's very presumptuous of me probably, but I think as an artist they probably like and want to feel, experience and explore all kind of stuffs and feelings through their works, sometimes without letting morals and taboos hinder their creativity - sexuality is one of the most known and shared thing among us, it's almost obligatory to do it at least once, in my opinion.
Sorry for that digression. Really loving the story, kind of serve as a prequel to the one shots doujins of it, even if what happened there would probably count as non-canon.
last edited at Nov 9, 2017 9:29AM
I don't like those "future" plans stuff, makes me all nostalgic for nothing.. Well, I read them anyway, but I don't like how they make me feel. A bit sad to read lonesome echo should have been longer. It was really a nice ride, though, thank you for the translation if you ever pass through here scanlators!