No but seriously please no one that's read ahead say anything about this month's magazine chapter. I want to see the candid reactions to it.

I think almost everyone involved here has worded everything in just about the worst possible way, so it all comes off much worse than intended to others.

aka pretty much this whole fight is dumb.

No such thing as a "wrong ship"

Not according to that one guy...

I don't believe in love.

Most people don't..and then...

And then one day you find that ten years have got behind you.

I don't believe in love.

I remembered right.

押し倒してから五秒以内にイカせればレイプにならないんだって

"If I make you come within five seconds of pushing you down, it doesn't count as rape."

I see, it's a shame no one translated the rest, thanks moguTL.

To be completely fair, the vast majority of the jokes in the series are completely and utterly untranslatable, so any proper translation would be both swimming in translation notes and also still utterly incomprehensible.

What Paraiso page you keep thinking about moguTL? You said the version posted here is mistranslated so it have a different translation in other reader? I'm curious about it so link please!

Well, now that you've asked.

http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/paraiso_ch01#12

I'll admit, it's been a few years, but I recall that line reading "if i make you orgasm within five seconds of pushing you down, it doesn't count as rape!"

I'll find my raws and double check when I get home.

There is a para iso page I keep thinking of for this thread, but the English version posted here seems to be slightly mistranslated so it's not as relevant.

I mean, I don't want to spoil the current story arc. Wait a month for volume 3 to come out.

SeifukuGirls posted:

I hadn't even noticed the season names in this. It was a lot more obvious in the other manga, one of the titles it went by being Haru Natsu Aki Fuyu and all. Thank you for pointing that out, definitely makes it more interesting regarding Akiho and Fuyumi.

To be honest they are pretty common. At least in mangas. And usually they don't have deeper meaning. Can't come up with names for the cast? Just go with seasons!

Naming children after when they were born is not uncommon, a la "Yayoi" and "Hazuki"

Anyway, there is things that bugs me in that chapter, well I'm curious about that girl who saw through Ichinose. But what's really buging me is: who is the glass-girl at the beginning?
I mean, she has the eyes of Ichinose, but that's all.

It's not a random drawing, is it not?

That's just Haruko with glasses and braids.

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If "Tsu" is in place of what "tu" would be, then how would one write what's pronounced as "To/two/too"?

For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeM5hNXNi-U

As a te followed by a tiny yu to indicate the vowel sound is being changed: テュ

And did you notice that e-mail adress?! Haruko + Natsuko = Hatuko!

0w0

That's a script n.

Well, there's also a bit of the kind of guys that flirt with girls are generally considered to be more "dangerous". So it is a better idea to stay away from them.

Or you'll end up drugged and gangraped in an alley somewhere or something. Based on the porn I've read.

Are you sure? I mean, look at Natsuko's depressed reaction to the mere thought of a guy hitting on her at all. Even when she wasn't the one experiencing it.

Yeah, she totally went underwater to "check the scenery" because she only wants big boobs. XD

Apparently she also likes butts.

Het!!
http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/swap_swap_ch07#7

If you look at the other things going on on that page, you'll notice that Natsuko is really bad with men. Doesn't even like the idea of men liking her. Or her body.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN!? GOOD THINGS!? BAD!? YURI!? DAMN YOU AND YOUR AMBIGUITY! lol
No but seriously, I get that you don't want to give away too much but is it good things or bad or what?

Well, that depends entirely on if you want to focus on more extremely minor, dumb things. Which I am sure some people will.

I generally try to avoid saying anything at all about stuff that happens later, so I don't really want to say anything.

So all I'll say is that I look forward to seeing the reactions to upcoming chapters.

Sounds like someone from /u/ was oversensitive and overreacting.

Anyway, BL as a genre is basically exclusively read by females

While I agree that the yuri demographic is more diverse than the yaoi one, men readership of yaoi isn't negligible at all.

For example a quotation from an American editor (Yaoi Press):

At everythingyaoi.com I'm seeing 25% to 30% of the orders placed by men. At the conventions there's around the same percentage of men buying the books at the booth. I've heard people say that 90-95% of people who buy yaoi are women. My experience shows 25-30% are men.
– GloBLisation and Hybridisation

While in Japan, I have a physical French revue (dated from 2008) saying that if the male readership of the yaoi magazines is negligible (around 1%), it's not the case concerning the volumes in libraries, with a male readership estimated around 25 and 30% (so, same numbers than in America).

Even if that's still the case, publishers don't make money from libraries. They make money from actual magazine sales. So of course they're going to cater primarily to the demographic actually buying most of the magazines and doujins.

Male homoeroticism has been a prominent feature in fiction for basically as long as fiction has existed.

True, but we know 100% sure in most cases that the guys are indeed straight without doubt, while in yuri they go in that maybe she's gay, maybe not, you never know, cause they act super gay but call themselves friends, never question their sexuality, and even thought they're obviously attracted to each other they'll never ever think of the possibility of being gay even if they see each other naked, touch each other, grope, kiss and so on, at the end they will go closest possible to crossing the line but we'll end with something like "I hope we can always be together/I love you, my best friend~~", you don't see that with guys, never...

I can probably answer that, at least in an extremely broad an general sense.

Females tend to place more importance on romantic elements while males tend to place more importance on non-romance (humor, cuteness, sexiness, etc). This is why female-targeted romance series the characters tend to get together near immediately, and the relationship is always progressing in some tangible way, while male-targeted romance series will either have no progression of any kind or, when trying to be serious, the characters overdramatize fairly simple issues and agonize over them ad nauseam, never actually resolving them. It is also possibly why a number of people here refuse to accept and yuri series without a real, serious, definite relationship.

Anyway, BL as a genre is basically exclusively read by females, so it generally needs to have heavy and more serious romantic elements. Basically no males read it. And for the girls that just want to watch hot guys be hot, there's shounen sports to satisfy them. So there's not a huge demand for stuff that is more subtle and in the middle. The nearest thing you could probably call a middle ground is reverse harem, where the guys will often act somewhat homoerotic toward each other, but are still obviously dedicated entirely to the main heroine.

Meanwhile, the demographic that reads yuri is a more mixed bag. You've got lesbian girls that want to see real romance between two women. You've got men who care more about the girls and situations being cute / sexy than they do about any romance. You've got straight girls who just like cute things, and just want to watch girls look and act cute, so they don't care as much about serious romance.

So yuri is more fractured than BL because the demographic that reads it is much more varied.

No no, lesbian porn only when it's real people, in manga it's always yuri unless it involve a penis, unless the penis belongs to the girl, than it can be called yuri, althought it's not yuri but futa.

So what would you call that manga about the guy who gets turned into a girl and then starts having sex with a dickgirl?

To be fair, a fairly large number of the Japanese terms used among western fans are either extremely outdated or outright wrong or never actually existed in Japan.

I'm not sure Plato mixes well with quantum physics.

Neither does relativity, but I didn't let that stop me, either.

But we can never really know the true form of yuri. We are in a dark cave, and only seeing an image of yuri projected from a computer screen.

Does anybody here says it? We don't say "Look! It is the perfect example of Yuri! Every story should be like that!". We just say "Look! It is funny and they are deliciously gay to boot! It would be nice if main leads at least become a couple".

It was the opposite, really. Considering basically the entire discussion kicked off with me responding to someone complaining that this is a shitty example of the yuri genre.

But manga is nothing more than a box inside a bigger box called society.

Everything can change depending on your reference frame.