I'd say Nyatune sitting before Noire is the most enviable of all. Either way Noire is only doing everything, as usual.

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Ah a classic. Surprised it wasn't on here already. Hakunon really is a handsome soul master.

I'm glad Kou got tricked into telling Rin that she loves her.

So Budoukan really is one of those once in a blue moon cases. Nice.
In general I have no idea where this anime even came from. Who decided to make this (I know it was TBS)? An idol anime with a female protagonist fan with excessively beauitful art direction/animation based on a manga that's not really that far ahead and also doubles down on the yuri aspect on its own... It feels like it's doing everything an idol anime in this climate wouldn't do. It probably won't be a big financial success, but I'm glad it exists.

Aye, Eripiyo's antics could be interpreted as just extreme otaku level idol admiration at first... though I kinda doubt they are trying to hide how she really feels, considering a lot of this anime revolves around fans secretly being in love with their favorite idol and the "professional fan" thing just being a facade. And then there were the train scene and some others where Eri was losing her mind, because she was frazzled about the fact that she wants to get closer to Maina outside the idol stuff.

Maina on the other hand didn't reveal much about herself in the early episodes, but in the last 3 or so she's been pretty openly gay in her head and actions. Ya know, this is actually the second time we saw she wants to tell Eri her feelings, because in the reply card that she wrote (but never gave Eri) she also mentioned "I love you".

The only hurdle here is their communication disorder, made worse by their position as idol and fan.

@BV
Twas a little bit of column A and a little bit of column B. Either way, I just didn't have much time to chat in forums.

So is there anyone who still watches Budoukan in here or what? Someone told me the manga was super mild subtext, but the anime is straight up gay as can be. Is this the rare thing where the anime goes in twice as hard on the yuri?

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Oh hi there BD, long time no see.

Busy. Busy indeed, but not too busy to cheer for useless lesbians.

If anyone says Budoukan is just subtext at this point they might be insane.
The last episode transcended it even more than the previous two where it transcended ascension.

I guess this might be the more appropiate thread (it's sort of a spoiler... maybe)

Just confess already you useless salmon pink idoooooll!!!

That's such a Dorothea move.

This is absolutely amazing - except for the part where they are already holding hands in public. Unprotected! High-schoolers these days really can't hold themselves back.

She is getting quite spirited.
ba dum tss

Those eyes... unnerving...

Did you ever want to kiss yourself?
Now you can! For the low price of 30 bucks and a girlfriend so head over heels she would wear anything for you!

Koha-Ace became Fate/Guda Guda and now this. They already decided this pairing was the best a looong time ago.

Was this specifically made to be a phone screen? Not complaining, it suits me just fine.

When talking about goosebump scenes there is even more Touko goodness.
Touko is the kind of whisperer that can make the words "I hate myself" sound tantalizing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWyaKgsMQpw
How is this even possible? How can she make this terribleness sound seductive?! Mortal ears may never comprehend.

@Zormau
I ain't touching that dub ever again, thanks.

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@BV
There is no accounting for taste.

Except when it concerns that line. YOU ARE WRONG. How dare you? I've built a religion around Touko whispering to Yuu in a way too seductive manner.

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What can I say? Once Touko goes "Eroi" in my ear the heat doesn't fade for a few hours.

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I was actually more interested in explaining my long cherished idea of why anime has the potential to be the ultimate media.
I guess Blastaar made as good a wall to throw words at as any.

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Having genuflected more than sufficiently in the direction of the very creditable YagaKimi anime, I will say that my basic personal opinion remains, for me, according to my personal taste, subjectively speaking for me and for me alone: fuck anime (with some exceptions), and especially fuck dubs.

It's always funny when people who barely deal in something make such statements. I think anime/cartoons have the potential to be the ultimate form of media. A good adaptation can easily surpass the manga as long as it stays accurate. It is an obvious upgrade if done with passion and a decent budget.
-motion
-color
-music
-sound effects

Those are just the most basic improvements that can't really be debated. Then you get the more unstable improvements.
-voice acting
-sakuga moments (extremely fluid/experimental and spectacular animation)

Anime does not have the physical restrictions of live action TV shows. It can portray anything that can be drawn/animated just like manga/comics, but has the upgrades I already mentioned. The only downsides are that pacing is fragile and not personal (unlike someone reading at their own speed) and the unstable variables not agreeing with the viewer. Voice acting can always be subjectively good or bad. Sakuga moments deviate from the manga's action scenes to be more impressive, which may not necessarily agree with everyone.
But even the implemented music alone can make a scene 100 times more powerful than the silent manga pages.

And let's ignore adaptations for a moment... there are hundreds of anime originals. By completely shunning the medium, you miss out on all of them. Now that is truly a waste. It's funny how those usually go the opposite direction where the manga adaptations suck.

Basically... people need to stop going for one or the other. Just absorb all media like a gluttonous sponge. Never leave your house and never close your eyes.

That may be true for the original anime adaptation. Unfortunately that one's not accessible for anyone who can't understand spoken Japanese. Add subtitles and you have a translation. Notice also that while the spoken lines may be identical to what's been said in the manga, the subtitles already deviate from the official Seven Seas/Kadokawa release, the Mangadex translation as well as the 4s translation, which in turn deviate from one another.

And yet the room for deviation is miniscule compared to what dubs do. My point stands.

Let's just not go there again, alright?

I was explaining why it is easy to pin down that they did not do their research. Because we were talking about them having the time to read the manga, but clearly didn't. Sloppy.

And also showing that your "Don't compare, just wonder if it's good" philosophy is backwards and unreliable.

@Zormau
This thread was faaar beyond 1500 posts when the anime came out. I think we were around page 200 something. The anime did not give this thread any major boost.

I don't care for interpretations that try too hard to be their own thing. The manga is the only standard by which the accuracy may be measured and if it is lacking compared to the manga, the ADAPTATION is bad. I don't care for the 1 in a million exception where the adaptation is better than the source material because it deviated. Not worth the risk unless the source material was trash to begin with (Ghost Stories anyone?)

As I already said, the Japanese version had Nakatani Nio (the author of this manga) there giving her input during recordings. So the "interpretation" is as close to what Nakatani envisioned as physically possible. The lines are taken straight from the manga, no translation necessary, so the Japanese version will always be more accurate by default. The worst they do is cut some lines. Therefore the nuance can only be affected by how the seiyuus deliver it, not by a shoddy script.

We know that the English script writer and director didn't read the manga, because of their attrocious failure with the first and last name business that they had to bend backwards for to somehow work through when the episode came up where it actively ruined the plot point. Such a short-sighted mistake is impossible if even one of them had read a single volume ahead in the manga. Such sloppiness is all over the YagaKimi dub, so the only argument you typically use is "I didnt mind it though" because you don't care about the specifics of the story and ignore all artistic integrity.

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^ I haven't watched the dub, but maybe a better idea could've been reading the English translations of the chapters. And... maybe, if they were super invested discussions about them, too...? Like here, for example. But alas, while a large community, we're still more obscure than we'd like to be.

That's not how dubbing works. There is a script writer who takes the translation and adjusts it to be more palatable for the American audience. Then they work with the VAs to adjust the dialogue to the lip movements. Usually they don't do much research and just look at the episodes, especially because this one was almost simulcast (I think 1-2 week delays?). They didn't even wait for the complete anime to be out, unlike the Japanese production obviously, which had the entire planned script during recordings.

Direction is more sparse and the director obviously doesn't know what the original really tried to convey and just gives their own interpretation. The mix of having a tight deadline and having all these barriers makes it nearly a miracle for a simulcast dub to be any good at all.

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^Sure seems to be what the mods prefer, because they deleted the Rape tag again. Guess people would rather be wilfully ignorant.