How about just answering kickap00 with:
"Okay, you made your point. Thanks. Bye." and be over with this?

Actually, if you're counting GochiUsa as yuri, you should count OPM as yaoi.
There's way more shipping between Genos and Saitama than het couples.

One punch Man (Hetero)

OPM doesn't even have romance.
I don't think we need to define everything as het, yuri or yaoi.

I watched the movie.
Hated it. It's just about a women cheating her wife with the father of their children and all the drama besides it.

It's also the first time I saw that thing about lesbians watching gay porn. I still don't get it even today.
"Oh, but lesbians porn is so unrealistic".
Yeah...all porn is unrealistic. Still don't make sense watching porn with a gender you don't feel attracted to. That's not why porn exists.

And what's this about self-inserts? Do all these women who love yaoi want to be a guy and XXX another guy? Do the male yuri fans want to be schliked by a girl?

I'm a male yuri fan, but I hate self-insert, so I can't help you with that.
Self insert with lesbian is relevant when they have to make every girl interested in the (male) mc because they need to raise his ego. So even a lesbian will sometimes fall in love with him. That's why I brought the subject.

I would very much like to be a girl and lesbian but not because of the sex

Funny how being a girl would be way better to me because of my personality and tastes.
Everytime I see femminists saying how good it is to be a man because of men's privileges, I wanted to ask them to switch with me, then. Those privileges are the kind I never asked for and I don't want them most of the times, but everyone tries to force them on me.
That's besides the point, though.

That made me remember a movie about a lesbian couple and the story was about one cheating by sleeping with a guy, which means they say the movie is about lesbian couple when it's actually a lesbian and a bisexual woman, they love to disguise the bisexual woman in the couple cause lesbian couple sounds better and makes easier to sell to LGBT community, that is until she sleeps with a guy, they lose sales to LGBT but win sales with straight males.

Isn't it The Kids Are All Right? That movie was actually made by a lesbian director.
I thought it was pretty stupid. The other woman even asks: "What? You're straight now?". They don't even consider bissexuality there.

Anyway, I think that even the concept of self insert didn't exist, most stories would be way better.
I hate this concept, not just because of things talked here. It makes everything worse and stupidier. Like making Mary Sue and Gary Stu protagonists to appeal to the viewers ego.
It's one of the things I hate the most in video-games.

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Even if we have a side serious couple (although they didn't use that word) in the series, you'll always have that fear that yeah they might end together but they can also say "Oh yeah those days... we were just fooling around".

Is it different if they call themselves lesbians?
They can just grow up and think: "Oh, yeah, those days I fooling around calling myself a lesbian", or "Oh yeah, those days I thought I was a lesbian".
Again, everything that isn't in the story depends on your interpretation. If you became paranoid, nothing will matter.

Sakura Trick is pretty badly written, though.

True they never said they're straight, but you know what? That's how the world works, homosexuals are the minority, most people and characters are considered straight by default, yuri and yaoi are the only genres we can expect homosexual characters in mangas, this is a slice of life so acting gayish is not the same as being gay, true they didn't say they're straight but the only reason people are considering them more gay is because of the kisses, take that away and it's as gay as any other slice of life with obviously straight girls, and about Ichinose saying things about them being a couple? Would not be the first straight character to joke like that, sorry if you feel offended by what I said but I'm just trying to be realistic here, believing without a doubt that they're completely gays after only 6 chapters is a recipe for disappointment if the manga ends with them being nothing more than friends.

Don't worry, I wouldn't feel offended by a fictional story that I didn't even write. It's not even close to be one of my favorites.
I just to feel the reaction people here have with these kind of manga is exagerated.
You're right that most people are straight, but you know what? We are talking about a media that sometimes makes every character gay. We are talking about a media that's about escapism with no compromise to reality to begin with...Remember, we're talking about a manga where girls can swap bodies by kissing.
There's a lot of slice of life that put male love interest to girls, or at least makes them interested in boys. When they don't do that, they clearly wants you to see it as you want. They're not supposed to be straight, they're not supposed to be lesbians either. They're supposed to be cute girls doing cute things. Everything else is up to reader's interpretation.

I'm expecting them to end nothing more than friends since the beggining, actually, because this is a gag manga. I expect Shinozaki to end the same way, and she's pretty gay. I'm also expecting that every character in Gintama will end up as just friends. Japan usually avoids romance in comedy stories. They have to maintain the status quo.

Anyway, in the end you seeing them as straight girls and people seeing them as lesbian are both wrong and right. They're neither. They are what you want them to be.
It's just...seeing this kind of conversation everytime a SoL story like this shows up is kind tiring.

Btw...Swap Swap's author isn't even an het author. She pretty much only did yaoi before. I don't think she's hypocrite enough to think only man can be gay.

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Could we at least stop comparing yuri with yaoi? Even on subtext level.
Sure, something like Swap Swap with guys would never exist, because the genres have different objectives. Swap Swap with men would be about a seme guy forcing himself on a uke guy, to begin with. Maybe even switch the kisses by sex, since that's the point of yaoi.

Also, yeah, slice of life series aren't meant to be yuri. Most of the do feature yuri though, because these series attract yuri fans.
Also, considering that a lot of yuri authors are working on series like Manga Tima Kirara titles, could we really say it's not intentionally romantic?

These girls never say they're straight, to begin with. You're just assuming they are because they're never saying that they're lesbians. That kind of view is way more heteronormative than the manga itself.

If a friend that doesn't know anything about anime or manga or etc at all asks what Yuri is, how would you describe it?

Romance between girls/women.
That's how I see it, anyway. But that's not how everyone sees.

And I see things like Swap Swap and Shinozaki as romance, too.

On the other side, Murcielago has almost no romance, but still is considered yuri.

In that essay about yuri it was pretty obvious that a lot of people had different views about yuri in Japan.
In the end I think it's better to treat it like a demographic, rather than a genre. Something like: "You like seeing girls loving girls? You'll like this."

Also, remember how that Yuri Jam made on tumblr didn't ask only for lesbian stories. They said even a platonic story about a mother and a daughter would be fine. It just had to be love between woman.
So, even west don't see yuri as lesbian stories always.

It's not that yuri isn't about lesbians. More like, every people has a different view of yuri in Japan. Some think it's just about strong friendship, some think that's about romance between girls regardless of their sexuality (the infamous "I'm not gay, but I love you), and some think it's about lesbians stories.
It's a niche genre, so it makes sense that they'll try to appeal to everyone.
Also, the word "lesbian" carries a political view, something that otakus usually avoid.
There's also that fact that the guy responsible by SonoHana series said. They wanted to make girls loving girls looks like the most natural thing in the world, so using a word to make it something "different" isn't a good idea. Yuri isn't about political agenda, it's about entertainment, and sometime escapism. That's why a lot of works avoid themes like homophoby. I think even their lesbians readers want to read something to escape that.

Assuming that every reason why the genre is so subtle is because the public are homophobe is wrong.

I myself like it subtle. I think it's nice when they make it clear that a character like girls without having to make her yell: "Look how gay I am!". That looks as silly as a straight character showing how het they are.

The thing about Nanoha, for example, is that it was never supposed to be a yuri ship to begin with. The writers clearly tried to force Nanoha x Yuuno for a long time. It just become a subtexty thing because fans took that way...and the seiyuu actually helped them.
If the fans had a different reaction, I'm sure Nanoha would be married with Yuuno in Strikers.

Also, the assumption that yaoi is more serious than yuri is wrong. I saw people complaing about every yaoi work was about a guy that would say they were not gay, but they loved that one guy only. That when it was not about a guy falling in love with the guy that raped him.
The fact is, something like this story would never be yaoi, because yaoi isn't about emotional bonds, but about fetishizing gay sex to female readers.

Anyway, I'm kinda tired of people complaining about the way theses slice of life works. Comedy stories rarely have serious romance, even with het couples. And when they do, they get boring, like it happened with Working!.
Also, we don't know if these stories are meant to be yuri or not, because we can't enter the authors mind. But keep in mind that most of theses authors made yuri or yaoi in the past, so they're okay with it. Also, forget about how other people will see it and just enjoy it by how you interpret it.

These are not political stories. They're not meant to be a view of social issues, but a fun read.

Seriously, people here are too used to how western things work.
Japan usually tease even het relationships. I think even fans usually don't want most of couples in anime/manga to become canon, because it will diverge from their ships. Except when the genre is already romance. Also, gag stories usually don't have character evolution at all, so start romance in them would feel out of place.

There's a big relationship between original work and fanwork in Japan, since it generates a big market around it.
Also, most of the times, these authors won't even deny or confirm relationships. That just happened with Hibike because the writer from the novels isn't really involved in otaku culture. But as far as I remember, that staff of the anime never said anything for sure, they just teased a lot with KumiRei comments.

But even if that all wasn't truth, this are ficticional works made to entertain their readers. If you want to see the girls like lesbians in a relationship (and the work even helps with that), nothing should stop you, no even the author's real intention, that we will never find out anyway, since they usually never talk about it.
That's why yaoi fans can see yaoi in those shows like Kuroko no Basket and Free. And sometimes the author even tease them inside the original work. The same way, we can say this is yuri if we want to. Even if some people see it as only friendship.

Hidari's art is pretty unique. I realizes it was her on the end card in the last GochiUsa episode even before seeing her name.
Unfortunaly, the closer to yuri she ever worked on is Atelier Dusk Series, Sasami-san and Natsuiro-kiseki.
It looks like she worked on Vividred Operation, but it looks nothing like her art, so it's probably a small contribution.

I wonder if they're testing to see which approach will be more popular: full yuri in Mermaid, subtext in Bhikkhuni or haremshit in Siren.

Separate Mamori and Mirei so they can't drive. So of course putting her with other girl that they don't know if she is liberator or not instead makes perfect sense xD Also I was seriously surprised that they didn't notice them making out, but didn't do anything to stop them anyway since that is how it worked so far. "How we could not foreseen it!?"

They aren't supposed to drive with anyone. They were surprised that Mamori could drive with someone who was not her partner.
That made me think. I know having theories about this is dangerous, since even the writers aren't taking it too seriously, but the way the girls said it was abnormal made me think that each exta only have on liberator...as in, only one girl that can make them drive. They thought Mamori was anormal, but what if her liberator is actually Akira? Akira has an artificial exta, and mamori drive only seeing her naked body, so it makes sense.

Mirei could be the abnormal one. A liberator that can make any exta drive. Lady Rain driving after kissing her also points to that, seeing how she seems to know something about her at least.
So it could be that Mirei was the one that took Mamori from Akira. And maybe Momoka will come to reveal that, leading to drama because Mirei really seems to like Mamori.

Again, it might be that the writer just didn't think about it.

At least the ED is ultra super hyper miracle romantic...
That's bigger than romantic, I think.

The prince shows up in less than 5 episodes.
There isn't any hint that Haruka might be in love with him, much less the rest of them (one of them is his sister).
All the girls love Haruka.
Haruka shows admiration for the other girls stronger than for the prince.
I don't remember they even talking about marriage.
Actually the image of princess in the anime is to be "kind, beautiful and strong".
Expect really yuri from Precure makes no sense. But if you want to use goggles or just see strong friendship between girls, I think Princess Precure is the best one for that so far. Happiness Charge is the worst.

If talking about Illya, you have to mention Miyu, the only girl that has only show interest in girls so far.
Also, an ending with the three girls living together is more likely than an Illya x Shirou ending, since they need to keep the joke about Illya not having a rote and Kuro needs to keep her thing with Illya if she wants to keep alive.
So yeah, while still not yuri, I can understand risingstar.

because i hate the fact that real yuri anime is DEAD! and get replaced by fanservice...

Fact is, you can't kill something that was never alive to begin with.

This is a rather overblown parody of male yuri fans, A big in-joke for fans about fans. As such, it can sometimes be more biting than funny. Like, MC shares all the possible traits of male yuri fans, including those used by (not only) female yuri fans as exclusion fuel. It's rarely found in anonymous communities, but sometimes crops up in pseudonymous ones. Female yuri fans (like Mrs. Friedman) exhibiting derogatory attitude about male yuri fans, going as far as calling them "creeps", "losers" and other names, all in effort to insinuate that male fans are not TRUE fans, and not TRUE target audience for TRUE yuri.

That's the one thing that annoys me about this manga. The author said it was a semi-bibliographical work about his life as a yuri fanboy. But why male yuri fans must be seen as creepy guys that hate their gender and constantly gets depressed because most girls are straight, while female yaoi fans can be just...girls that like gay stories.

I am a male yuri fan.
I don't hate myself for being man.
I don't feel guilty about reading fiction about lesbians.
I don't ship girls I know with each other.

Not to say those kind of fans don't exist. I don't even know if they're majority or not. But saying that this manga is a realistic view of all male yuri fans is wrong and misleading, and just contribute to make prejudice agains them higher. The story introduce more male yuri fans later, so maybe one of them will have yuri as a healthy hobby instead? Although, I know one of them is a guy that just like yuri porn, so I'm not counting on it.

Not that I hate the manga. There's a lot of interesting things about it. But I feel like saying it's a realistic view of male yuri fans is too much.

I'll also question how much the author even loves yuri, since he's making this manga for years instead of, you know, making actual yuri. If I could draw, I would never lose too much time with something like Yuri Danshi when there's more interesting stories to make in the genre that would have yuri.

How do you know its a controversial series?

Maybe controversial isn't the right word. All I did was did a quick search and found very differing opinions about it very quickly.

Basically all male /u/ board users

Which is ironic since most of the harshest criticisms about Yuri Danshi comes from there.

The collective internet-garbage-scum-orgy that is 4chan is not a place I delve into, what are the general criticisms?

that it is not yuri and has het later on, which (as far as i know) no one has ever posted proof on.

and /u/ is a pretty good board.

Well here's hoping that they're wrong about it turning into het xD As they say, the proof is in the pudding(cake)

Actually, even the het seems to be a joke. With girls confessing to him, and he either not realizing at all, or trying to reject it, because he wants them to be lesbians.
Seriously, this still is in the point of the manga.

If it becomes full het-romance though, it could be a problem.

Why is the game tagged with "nudity"?
I must be blind.

Do you need a reason?

If you're making an action series...yes.

I fail to see why girls can't stimulate each other without it.

Well...I'm thinking more about the game now. But if they want to put scenes like that in the action, the gameplay, it would be pretty hard not having a reason to...
But even with anime, action series will focus on fightning, so the yuri scenes would be pretty limited without a reason to do it. It would be exclusive to the scenes outside fighting. It's easy to make fanservice in fighting with clothes being destroyed or girls touching another in parts...but if you want kissing, it's kinda harder.

Do you need a reason?

If you're making an action series...yes.

As far as I know, chapter 6 is the last one released in Japan.
What I meant if that I hope it won't be longer than two volumes, of longer than 10 chapters. But no one knows yet how long it will be.