Let me hate read in peace. Thx

You can deliberately make yourself angry all you want, but it would be nice if you didn't make your anger into everyone else's problem, too.

So let me get this straight.. you want me to not voice my opinion on.. checks notes a public comment section.. nice try lil bro

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This applies to the Het tag as well.

the fall season is going to have at least 3 yuri shows so we won't have to wait long lol

wow some people are taking this manga really seriously aren't they.

all the following can be true:

1. this is a great manga

2. upping the characters' ages or removing the lewd scenes would fundamentally change it

3. making a "one step below full-on hentai" manga about 14-year-old magical girls doing BDSM on each other is absolutely fetish pandering, and any claim that that's not part of the appeal to a large portion of the audience and this is actually a super serious work of literature about teenage sexual awakening is absurd

4. insulting other posters is not cool

I think I've reached my limit on arguing over untranslated chapters. If you want we can pick up this conversation again after 4 and 5 get translated. Especially since it seems like 4 will provide important context for Eri as well (again I haven't read it).

Edit: I wrote this before I saw Kazu-kun's post. My only disagreement with their post is I don't necessarily think that Eri is using Fuyuki as an "emotional crutch." There's probably some codependency there for sure, but we can't completely trust Fuyuki's view of the situation because she clearly takes a lot of pride in viewing Eri as relying on her; in other words, she has a bias toward viewing Eri as this sort of weak damsel who needs protection and coddling. We can't know the full story until we get a chapter from Eri's point of view.

I think we can mostly trust Fuyuki's accounts of this situation because it's consistent with Eri's current behavior. She does behave childish despite being the older one, and she indeed has no friends other than Fuyuki (and Kyou). I get the feeling Kyou invited her to the film club in an attempt to help her make friends but it doesn't help. Eri still only interacts with Fuyuki. That's just not healthy no matter how you slice it.

I don't really think Eri is that childish, honestly. She is very clingy with Fuyuki but that's not the same thing. She acts very differently when she's alone with Kyou in chapter 1, which suggests to me that how Eri is with Fuyuki may partly be an act she puts on for (what she thinks is) Fuyuki's sake. And only having a few friends is not necessarily unhealthy either. I admit I haven't read chapter 4 though so that may change my opinions.

I read the raw of chapter 5 and, without discussing spoilers, I think it's mostly consistent with my interpretation.

Could you please spoil it for me, if possible? (with spoiler tags ofc)

Chapter 5 is...sort of a pseudo flashback chapter? It's framed around Fuyuki talking to the blonde senpai about Eri. According to Fuyuki, Eri is a little "selfish" and bad at "reading the mood" (basically means she has bad social manners) and so had trouble making friends. This came to a head in middle school, when Eri was confessed to by a female friend she finally managed to make; Eri turned her down, and apparently a (false, according to Fuyuki) rumor spread that Eri said something homophobic in the process, leading to her getting bullied. Later, in high school, Eri had a breakdown, asked if Fuyuki "likes" her (as you may know, "suki" in Japanese can mean both "like" and "love"), then begged Fuyuki not to betray her and to "always be my friend." Fuyuki says that she used to rely on Eri when they were kids, but now Eri is the one who relies on her.

So the major issue in using this chapter to draw conclusions about Eri is that it's all from Fuyuki's point of view, cobbled together from stuff Eri told her years later and Fuyuki's own speculations (which are almost certainly colored by the pride she feels at being Eri's only friend whom she relies on). While we do get to see certain scenes from Eri's past visualized, several key moments are not shown -- most notably, we don't actually see Eri rejecting her friend, so we don't actually know if Eri really did (inadvertently?) say something homophobic or not. We never once see inside Eri's head. The major upshot of the chapter, to me, is actually about Fuyuki; the lesson she took from Eri's past is that if she confesses her feelings, she'd destroy their friendship. But we don't know if that's how Eri sees things. That's why I think the chapter is consistent with a number of different interpretations of Eri's character.

Edit: I wrote this before I saw Kazu-kun's post. My only disagreement with their post is I don't necessarily think that Eri is using Fuyuki as an "emotional crutch." There's probably some codependency there for sure, but we can't completely trust Fuyuki's view of the situation because she clearly takes a lot of pride in viewing Eri as relying on her; in other words, she has a bias toward viewing Eri as this sort of weak damsel who needs protection and coddling. We can't know the full story until we get a chapter from Eri's point of view.

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Also, trying to analyse Eri's character at this point is not a good idea because there's still a big reveal about Eri coming in chapter 5 that will re-contextualize her relationship with Fuyuki. Without that important piece of information you're bound to misread Eri's characterization.

I read the raw of chapter 5 and, without discussing spoilers, I think it's mostly consistent with my interpretation.

I think chapter 5 makes it pretty clear you're interpretation is wrong though.

Guess we'll talk about it once the translation reaches that point

Also, trying to analyse Eri's character at this point is not a good idea because there's still a big reveal about Eri coming in chapter 5 that will re-contextualize her relationship with Fuyuki. Without that important piece of information you're bound to misread Eri's characterization.

I read the raw of chapter 5 and, without discussing spoilers, I think it's mostly consistent with my interpretation.

Ughhhh you make a great point here. I've been reading this manga so far with the mindset of "Eri can take a long walk off a short dock", but she hasn't actually done anything intentionally hurtful. In fact, she has shown she's worried about Fuyuki's reaction to her having a boyfriend (at least recently--seems like in the flashbacks in previous chapters, she had no qualms sharing about her boyfriends). But the author does a great job of making me hate her anyway lol.

Well, structurally speaking she's the antagonist, since she's the one getting in the way of the protagonist's goal. So it's understandable that a lot of readers would hate her.

Very well put. I was thinking this exact same thing. She doesn't seem to understand her connection to Fuyuki yet, or has an inkling of understanding but is currently too scared or hesitant to truly investigate them. She just seems behind Fuyuki when it comes to understanding (or accepting) their desires. But she is earnest.

Thanks! And yeah, extending my analysis, Fuyuki is the opposite of Eri; Fuyuki understands herself extremely well, but seems to have trouble understanding other people, even -- or especially -- the girl she loves.

Edit:

Why some of you here think Kyou is in love with Fuyuki?

Nothing definite but there are several signs. When Kyou visits Fuyuki's house, he leaves as soon as he hears Eri's coming, turning down Fuyuki's invitation to stay. At the amusement park, he resists Eri's idea until Fuyuki seconds it, which Eri even calls him out on "You're such a softie when it comes to Fuyuki, Kyou". Eri, who we see later is extremely emotionally intuitive (at least about other people) seems to doubt he actually likes her "About that thing you said the other day...were you serious?". And if Fuyuki and Kurosawa are any indication, "two people who don't really love each other date in order to forget about the person they really like" is a major theme of the manga.

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I gotta say, Eri is my favorite character in this manga. It's fascinating to me how she hasn't really done anything wrong, but the story is framed to encourage the audience to hate her because Fuyuki is the protagonist and everything Eri's done -- perhaps most especially the nice things she's done -- have hurt Fuyuki deeply.

What I find most interesting about Eri, though, is how emotionally intuitive she is in (seemingly) almost all areas. She knew Fuyuki liked the movie the other club member was trashing; she instantly noticed that Kurosawa was more than just Fuyuki's senpai; and I'm pretty sure she also knows Kyou's in love with Fuyuki and not her. Which all raises the question...does she really not know that Fuyuki's been in love with her since forever? Does she really not see how much she's been hurting Fuyuki?

Here's my guess. The story is structured to make you think Eri is some evil manipulator -- even Kurosawa seems to believe this -- but I don't think so. I think the fundamental irony of Eri is that she understands others very well but she understands herself not at all. She's terrified to face the prospect that Fuyuki loves her because it would mean she'd have to admit to her own love too. So she lies to herself, pretends like she doesn't see it, forces herself to take Fuyuki's words at face value, because admitting to the truth would result in a flood of guilt, shame, and fear she's not able to hold up against.

God I love Murasakino lol

finally Rose has a catchphrase, she's a true action protagonist now

i mostly agree with @Ehhhhhhh, i love this manga but i can't blame anyone who's turned off by the premise

Father Shirafune watching this, thinking "Guess I don't have to worry about Benika after all..."

Your lewdness lacks story

I think that's the most brutal thing that's happened in this manga. Goddamn, there's no surviving that one

it hurts even more because she knows Utena is right lol

the climax of Makino's character arc will be when she finally realizes people genuinely like her when she isn't acting like a scumbag

Got the feeling it lacks of at least one important tag.

Maybe Bisexual?

Edit: Unless Aikawa Hibiki is one of those yuri girls who inexplicably teasing the girl she likes by blatantly flying her het flag in front of her.

I wouldn't apply the Bisexual tag yet because Hibiki shows no signs of liking Chihaya (yet)

But Really ! Beginning your yuri manga a het kiss ! Next step, beginning a yuri manga with the girl getting fuck by a guy ? Oh, sorry we already have that :/ ! That such a great way to turn you off from continuing your reading. At least for me

don't let the door hit ya

Edit: I really liked this first chapter, it set up a very interesting dynamic between the two girls.

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Are there any villainess yuri stories where the villainess is actually fairly effed up? I mean someone like Fukiko Ichinomiya from Oniisama e. She was a seriously nasty person.

Maybe I’m weird for wanting it, but there’s nothing like the thrill of digging into the twisted psychology of a screwed up villainess. Most of these villainess stories are cute, but I abandon them ‘cuz they’re just tsunderes in fantasy settings. Not much real villainy.

Fed Up Office Lady features a villainess as a love interest whose plans are legitimately evil.

Of all the villainess yuri out there (I count this as villainess even though it's not isekai), this one is most similar to a het villainess work, and I don't just mean that the love interest crossdresses. The old fiance is over-the-top evil; almost everyone else, including the servants, hates the MC for no good reason; the love interest swoops in and saves the MC by proposing to her because she "intrigues" them. The only differentiating factor, aside from it being yuri, is that the old fiance's new girl doesn't appear to be an evil two-faced white lotus, I assume she's being blackmailed or something and will probably need to be rescued later.

All that being said, Ciel's "real" personality is a lot more fun than the shoujo love interest facade she puts on while crossdressing, so I'm hopeful that now that the obligatory setup is out of the way (and the over-the-top evil former fiance hopefully won't show up very often) the manga will become more fun. Thanks for the translation!

Miss company boss, with the huge ribbon in her hair? She's my new hero.

Make a new manga series for her.

She's way too interesting to just be a one-shot punchline character. I too demand more of her.

Thirded, that was one of the more brutal rejections I've seen and it ruled. CEO Ribbon Lady x Risa is my new OTP.

I'm really not seeing how people think Nanjou will reciprocate in any way to Riri. To me she is 100% fully devoted to the Nurse (forgot her name) and has shown zero interest in Riri romantically.

You can't say zero interest after this page -- not to mention the "doki" sound effect here. You can't even use the excuse that Nanjou is just surprised or embarrassed because this is like the 100th time Riri has confessed to her.

Now, is this definitive? Of course not, it's only three pages. I still think Nanjou/Nurse and Riri/Uda are the most likely side pairings. But those pages exist for a reason; they're setting up something.

While I love Anemone, it's been a very predictable manga up until this point. But the end of chapter 31 implying that Nanjou might be starting to reciprocate Riri's feelings legitimately stunned me and now I honestly have no idea how that subplot is going to end. Uda/Riri and Nanjou/Nurse still seems the most likely but Riri/Nanjou would lead to a bunch of interesting plot developments if the mangaka decides to take that route. To be honest the love triangle subplot had kind of bored me but now I'm really engaged with it lol.

I was just wondering when Flowerchild Ueda would write a new manga! Misa was characterized pretty interestingly, she kind of went as close as you can to the line of sexual assault without quite going over. Which does make her the most moral of Ueda's MCs so far lol. There's a lot of directions the plot can go from here so I'm curious to see what'll happen. Thanks for the translation!

super cute!!

Reading this second chapter, IDK if this is the intention, but just my interpretation at least, is it reads as a little bit like being in a cult, and the isolation and control tactics used to keep one in it. (Mainly based off that significant shot of the shrine during the talk with the parents in this chapter.) First chapter was an outsider being brought in, initially uncertain, but turned against the outside world; the second is someone of wavering faith trying to get out, only to be foiled in the end.

Or it might just be about how small towns kinda suck lol

Or it's about how small towns are like cults